Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2020: Stage 17 (Sequeros > Alto de la Covatilla , 178.2 km)

[luckyboy]

Carapaz would have won this Vuelta if he and Acquadro didn't screw Movistar. Hilarious.

 

[BlueRoads]

I can understand Movistar is annoyed they were constantly getting marauded by Ineos, but Carapaz is a guy with a financially not brilliant or secure family background, so money might mean something different to him than for a slightly spoiled European, and also Movistar did not really show enormous trust in him, so I can understand his decision.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Same here. Roglic must be the most boring GT winner of the current generation. Follow the train, attack final 400m for boniseconds, rinse, repeat, wait for ITT.

Roglic won the Vuelta thanks to boniseconds. Take all boni's away and even the ITT couldn't save him.

Basically he is Valverde from earlier this decade, except with a better TT and a more dominant team? Sounds like the perfect mix for an exciting race.

 

[yaco]

Why is Mas helping????

This is the Movistar revenge against Carapaz and Acquadro.

 

[BlueRoads]

And Roglic: There's nothing bad about him, he's really likable, but then he's also not at all exciting as a rider or person and just shows so little of his feelings that it's hard for me to warm to him.

 

[Red Rick]

I have no clue what this means, man. Ineos have done no suffocating this year, OTOH Jumbo have made two of the three GTs a chore to watch.

Meanwhile, their 8th climbing domestique single handedly winning the Giro for their 6th best GC rider who never even has to attack was a joy to watch.

 

[LaFlorecita]

don't forget also Hofstede helping

Yeah, not in final km though. But Roglic clearly got help from several riders.

 

[Jungle Cycle]

how many GTs top 10 for Bala now?

 

[ice&fire]

and how do you get bonuses ?

Roglic is the winner, Carapaz is the fastest.

 

[Red Rick]

I'm sure Pogacar just dropped himself on Col de La Loze.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I have no clue what this means, man. Ineos have done no suffocating this year, OTOH Jumbo have made two of the three GTs a chore to watch.

I think the thinking here is that because Roglič as leader hasn't been as unstoppably strong as 2009 Contador or 2013 Froome, Jumbo have used the same choo-choo tactic, but instead of using it to ride a killer tempo and drop everybody from their wake to set up their leader attacking, like Sky traditionally did, Jumbo have set up this strange system whereby they strangle the race with defence, because they ride at the tempo of the third strongest rider (usually Bennett or Dumoulin) and never use their penultimate man (Kuss), meaning that as they hold a numerical advantage it dissuades attacking, but the pace usually only drops people down to a group of around 20, who then ride in formation all the way up the climb like we saw on La Farrapona and Grand-Colombier. Which is in fact even more dull than Sky's race strangling because at least with Sky's pacesetting you could put the camera on the back and see people like Adam Yates and Louis Meintjes trying to hang on, whereas on Grand-Colombier everybody was happy to just keep tapping out tempo with Dumoulin's pace, because with Quintana suffering from his allergy problem after the nettle patch incident and Bernal having a pajará, everybody was happy with the status quo and there was nothing to actually look at.

 

[Blanco]

Lol at the little fist bump from Roglic to Mas after the line! I would be interested to know exactly why Mas rode like that

Team orders from Unzue directly, and for the money of course..

 

[roundabout]

Yeah, not in final km though. But Roglic clearly got help from several riders.

It's difficult to see what exactly happened in the final km though, apart from Roglic turning on his usual turbo finish.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

And Roglic: There's nothing bad about him, he's really likable, but then he's also not at all exciting as a rider or person and just shows so little of his feelings that it's hard for me to warm to him.

His interviews alone are bad enough to hope he never wins again.

 

[Josh Homme]

Mas playing dumb saying that he only realized that Roglic was behind after looking behind when Marc was already working...

 

[Salvarani]

Roglic might be "boring". Because most loves an underdog or a late turn-around in races.

But Roglic is a very complete rider. He is a good climber. He has a good time trial. He is explosive and has some punch.

It is those sort of riders that I would like that wins GTs. Since that is what a tour of something should be about. The most complete rider should win these type of races. Not make routes that favor a certain type of rider. Balance.

It is also helpful having a good team to back you up. When other teams are not as good, it is easier to control. Which makes us as viewers less entertained, but I would say that has more to do with some teams having a lot more money and bigger budgets. That is something that is not balanced and another conversation.

 

[topt]

Roglic is the winner, Carapaz is the fastest.

just no

 

[Red Rick]

I think the thinking here is that because Roglič as leader hasn't been as unstoppably strong as 2009 Contador or 2013 Froome, Jumbo have used the same choo-choo tactic, but instead of using it to ride a killer tempo and drop everybody from their wake to set up their leader attacking, like Sky traditionally did, Jumbo have set up this strange system whereby they strangle the race with defence, because they ride at the tempo of the third strongest rider (usually Bennett or Dumoulin) and never use their penultimate man (Kuss), meaning that as they hold a numerical advantage it dissuades attacking, but the pace usually only drops people down to a group of around 20, who then ride in formation all the way up the climb like we saw on La Farrapona and Grand-Colombier. Which is in fact even more dull than Sky's race strangling because at least with Sky's pacesetting you could put the camera on the back and see people like Adam Yates and Louis Meintjes trying to hang on, whereas on Grand-Colombier everybody was happy to just keep tapping out tempo with Dumoulin's pace, because with Quintana suffering from his allergy problem after the nettle patch incident and Bernal having a pajará, everybody was happy with the status quo and there was nothing to actually look at.

It's 100% a situation where Contador or Nibali would just attack balls deep themselves to find out how good Jumbo really is. If they're dissuaded by Bennet or Kuss that's on them lol.

Roglic has attacked this Vuelta when he had the legs to so. He attacked when he had the legs to do so in the Tour. He was by far the most aggressive GC rider in the 2018 Tour. People just overrate his climbing only to *** on him and his team.

 

[Fernandez]

Mas declaring they were fighting for the 4th in GC...

 

[Red Rick]

Roglic is the winner, Carapaz is the fastest.

If he's the fastest he should've beaten Rogl in a few sprints smh.

 

[Blanco]

Roglic won the Vuelta thanks to boniseconds. Take all boni's away and even the ITT couldn't save him.

So why didn't Carapaz and Carthy took some...

 

[topt]

Roglic was with Mas and Soler.

yeah, behind him

 

[DanielSong39]

Velo d'Or for Roglic?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Meanwhile, their 8th climbing domestique single handedly winning the Giro for their 6th best GC rider who never even has to attack was a joy to watch.

Yeah, Kelderman or Hindley winning would have been much more exciting?

I'm sure Pogacar just dropped himself on Col de La Loze.

Those were definitely two exhilarating kilometers. The exception proves the rule.

 

[ice&fire]

just no

You need to watch less cycling and more Sesame Street to learn what it means fast and slow.