Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2022, stage 15: Martos - Sierra Nevada. Alto Hoya de la Mora. Monachil, 152.6k

[QueenStagiaire]

Mas wheelsucking aside, Ben O‘Connor must have set some kind of record for sitting on the wheel of other GC riders for an entire 22 km climb while never helping them.

 

[Oldermanish]

Roglic wheelsucking his way up the climb just to attack in the final 2k and taking 15s.
Awww, give the big boy some candy. What a champ.

He is....3X in this Spanish GT. He'll happily take that 15 seconds when he wasn't feeling great and eat your candy. Folks were writing him off a week ago so, I think he knows what he can do.

 

[Riek s]

it’s all the same type of rider tho. Rodriguez, Tao, Sivakov and now Arensman. They could literally go 6-9 in any GC and no one would be surprised.

At least it ensures no return to the Ineos train as they are nowhere near having the rider to launch at the end.

To be fair, Arensman and Rodriguez are very young. If they can grow a bit on what they currently can do.. I think they will be able to contend for a GT. (after today, i think Arensman might have a good shot because his climbing was fantastic. Seems to have great recovery)

 

[staubsauger]

I've seen riders with a weaker skillset than Arensman win the Giro d'Italia. Jai Hindley actually is one of them.

 

[roundabout]

Impressive prediction to conclude that a rider who is 5th on GC after 2 weeks at 21 is unlikely to amount to something more than 6th in the future.

Especially from a poster who likes to mention Evenepoel 'haters' who are essentially guilty of the same thing, but in relation to Evenepoel.

 

[Big Doopie]

Impressive prediction to conclude that a rider who is 5th on GC after 2 weeks at 21 is unlikely to amount to something more than 6th in the future.

Not really what I said.

cheers.

 

[Netserk]

I'm not gonna lie AG2R closing that gap was disgusting.

Movistar's passivity was far worse, at least in retrospect.

And what is the role of Valverde here?

 

[staubsauger]

it’s all the same type of rider tho. Rodriguez, Tao, Sivakov and now Arensman. They could literally go 6-9 in any GC and no one would be surprised.

At least it ensures no return to the Ineos train as they are nowhere near having the rider to launch at the end.

Arensman is a good time trialer and a decent climber actually. A diesel which is why he's favored for the Giro d'Italia which it's multiple mountain stages. Especially in the Dolomites. Despite being a good tt'er he's not shy of attacking to create and take opportunities.

He needs to improve his climbing of course. Also he seems to be a bit vulnerable regarding hot weather conditions.

That's why I said favored for the Giro d'Italia. Also he needs time to adjust himself into a grand tour. The Corsa Rosa is very backloaded most of the times.

The question is whether he can drastically improve at Ineos. I'm not saying he's a certain grand tour winner. But if he indeed manages to improve himself then yes, he's the versatile skillset to at least podium a Giro d'Italia edition.

Whether he actually is able to win one is a question of many other variables. Including simple luck. Because Carapaz shape being that piss poor and him bonking that drastically actually was a good portion of luck for Hindley.

 

[Netserk]

Roglic wheelsucking his way up the climb just to attack in the final 2k and taking 15s.
Awww, give the big boy some candy. What a champ.

Evenepoel indeed won the pulling contest. Congratulations.

 

[ice&fire]

Movistar's passivity was far worse, at least in retrospect.

And what is the role of Valverde here?

To stay as high as he can in GC to collect some UCI points.

 

[staubsauger]

Evenepoel indeed won the pulling contest. Congratulations.

Did he? Arensman pulled the whole day. When Craddock went, when Vine went, when Soler went. It was his gc, his stage win. Had to take a whole lotta responsibilities there in the group.

 

[Netserk]

To stay as high as he can in GC to collect some UCI points.

Why not join a break then?

 

[roundabout]

Not really what I said.

cheers.

' top ten (but no podium) candidates'

'They could literally go 6-9 in any GC and no one would be surprised '

'nowhere near having the rider to launch at the end '

I think my post is a pretty fair interpretation of what you wrote.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

' top ten (but no podium) candidates'

'They could literally go 6-9 in any GC and no one would be surprised '

'nowhere near having the rider to launch at the end '

I think my post is a pretty fair interpretation of what you wrote.

Half the stuff this poster says is very contradictory or stupid, I usually don’t pay too much attention to him.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Half the stuff this poster says is very contradictory or stupid, I usually don’t pay too much attention to him.

Half the stuff all posters say is very contradictory or stupid, I usually don’t pay too much attention to them

 

[Red Rick]

Half the stuff all posters say is very contradictory or stupid, I usually don’t pay too much attention to them

This part of your half?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

This part of your half?

It's closer to 100% of my posts that shouldn't be given much attention.

 

[StryderHells]

Vine was extremely active in the beginning of the stage.

Yep

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I wish Roglic had attacked earlier, certainly. But Roglic did set the pace for several kms on the lower slopes.

Well, obviously. Since he chose to attack. For 2-3km, and then he sucked wheel for 15k.

 

[Netserk]

Well, obviously. Since he chose to attack. For 2-3km, and then he sucked wheel for 15k.

What a sissy he was. Macho men pull!

 

[Oldermanish]

Evenepoel indeed won the pulling contest. Congratulations.

He gets candy, too.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

To be fair, Arensman and Rodriguez are very young. If they can grow a bit on what they currently can do.. I think they will be able to contend for a GT. (after today, i think Arensman might have a good shot because his climbing was fantastic. Seems to have great recovery)

Arensmans strengths are his TT, which sadly we didn't get to see this Vuelta because of the overheating, and his recovery in the 3rd week. He has a big weakness in the 1st week and explosive finishes though, so that's something Ineos needs to work on.

He said himself he gets better when others get tired, and the longer the climb the better. It's therefore no surprise that on a climb like this he rides the final 7km as fast as Mas, and faster than the whole Evenepoel/Roglic group (talking purely about the last 7/8km when he attacked, not before obviously)

 

[staubsauger]

Arensmans strengths are his TT, which sadly we didn't get to see this Vuelta because of the overheating, and his recovery in the 3rd week. He has a big weakness in the 1st week and explosive finishes though, so that's something Ineos needs to work on.

He said himself he gets better when others get tired, and the longer the climb the better. It's therefore no surprise that on a climb like this he rides the final 7km as fast as Mas, and faster than the whole Evenepoel/Roglic group (talking purely about the last 7/8km when he attacked, not before obviously)

Summarized a better version of Kruijswijk, hopefully with a higher ceiling?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

LOL. You got that right, the fight for the top 10 has been brutal!!!!
Aresman, Meintjes, O'connor, Uran, Hindley, Polanc, Kelderman.
It doesn't get more Ninja than these riders. Zubeldia would be proud of this race.

whut? If Arensman would not have been pulled back in that earlier break we'd seen him in 2 mountain breaks despite already being placed around the top 10. Hardly Zubeldia worthy.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Summarized a better version of Kruijswijk, hopefully with a higher ceiling?

Exactly what I was thinking yes. Kruijswijk took a bit longer to break through as well. But this could also be simply an era thing with everyone breaking through at 20-22 now.

Also Arensman already has top 10 in World Tour 1-week races. That took Kruijswijk way longer.