Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2023, stage 20: Manzanares El Real - Guadarrama, 207.8k

[Panda Claws]

Will watch

 

[houtdffan]

Evenepol will be in the break breaking the legs of Caruso and Bardet

While back at the ranch Landa, Ayuso and Mas will be racing each other while the 3 Musketeers do cycling loops around each other out in front of the Spanish trip

But who knows what happens...The stage does not suit Kuss but it suits Roglic ...will JV bring back the break for Roglic ?

If Remco is in form tomorrow, it's a course where JV is not bringing back any break.

Just as the peloton cannot bring him back in LBL or CSS

 

[movingtarget]

The break is hoping for a break from Remco............

 

[Jungle Cycle]

break with 50, 3 Bahrain+3 UAE+4 Bora..
Vinge to go after Landa+Ayuso+Cian when they attack to bridge..
Roglic left behind to help Kuss..
Kuss implodes in his 3rd GT and Roglic find himself with Movistar to chase..
finally Roglic gives up, stop and; “Bueno, yo me quedo por aquí. Fue un placer señores”

 

[shalgo]

QS should control with hard pace (other than Cattaneo, what exactly have they been doing for ten stages?).

Climb 7, Cattaneo lunches Remco.

As in, gives him his lunch? Or eats him for lunch?

 

[Rob5091]

Most times people want to be right, but today I want to be proven wrong that this stage, which could have been a highlight of the Vuelta, will be the dampest of damp squibs. Too many tired legs, too many defending GC position and team orders to follow.
If Lazkano can go up the road with Remco we'll get at least to see how good Lazkano is. Barring Force Majure (crash, mechanicals etc) the GC top listing can be copied and pasted from yesterday.Of cause this being the Vuelta, if it does rain copiuosly then the whole stage can be neutralized!

 

[Jungle Cycle]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1702885747446198450

View: https://twitter.com/grahamwatson10/status/1702885747446198450

 

[Netserk]

Grande Menchov! Rogla before Rogla.

 

[proffate]

Lazkano's time to shine

 

[Red Rick]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1702885747446198450

View: https://twitter.com/grahamwatson10/status/1702885747446198450

Such a beautiful murito

 

[Rackham]

Such a beautiful murito

If this stage today was raced full gas all in (especially considering its length), Sepp Kuss would likely lose this Vuelta.

It's really not his sort of thing.

 

[search]

wait, only 20? I thought 30 as ASO lists it as a hilly stage and not a mountain stage

https://storage-aso.lequipe.fr/ASO/cycling_vue/lv23-reglamento-ingles-tecnico-v2.pdf

 

[search]

The break is hoping for a break from Remco............

Evenepoel clearly said that he wants to win from the favourites' group, and so far he mostly said the truth.

So there's a chance that they'll get a break from him, but this would also mean that Quickstep will chase, of course.

 

[peterfin]

Evenepoel clearly said that he wants to win from the favourites' group, and so far he mostly said the truth.

So there's a chance that they'll get a break from him, but this would also mean that Quickstep will chase, of course.

This also means that the favourites group can't take it easy unless they let the whole SQ team and most of the peloton go.

 

[search]

normally it should be a hard and fast stage anyway, also in the peloton? I'd be surprised if Bahrain doesn't go for it, at least.

Just read that Evenepoel yesterday said that he considers to take it easy (“Cette étape de samedi aurait pu être un objectif concret, dit-il. Mais comme j’ai déjà remporté trois étapes, je vais peut-être tout simplement profiter de ma journée. On verra. De toute façon, je n’ai plus de pression"). That would contradict his statement from the day before, of course - but unless he aims for a team mate to win, I can't really see how this makes sense.

 

[Berniece]

normally it should be a hard and fast stage anyway, also in the peloton? I'd be surprised if Bahrain doesn't go for it, at least.

Just read that Evenepoel yesterday said that he considers to take it easy (“Cette étape de samedi aurait pu être un objectif concret, dit-il. Mais comme j’ai déjà remporté trois étapes, je vais peut-être tout simplement profiter de ma journée. On verra. De toute façon, je n’ai plus de pression"). That would contradict his statement from the day before, of course - but unless he aims for a team mate to win, I can't really see how this makes sense.

Stage wins are too easy for him, he is tired of it

 

[peterfin]

normally it should be a hard and fast stage anyway, also in the peloton? I'd be surprised if Bahrain doesn't go for it, at least.

Just read that Evenepoel yesterday said that he considers to take it easy (“Cette étape de samedi aurait pu être un objectif concret, dit-il. Mais comme j’ai déjà remporté trois étapes, je vais peut-être tout simplement profiter de ma journée. On verra. De toute façon, je n’ai plus de pression"). That would contradict his statement from the day before, of course - but unless he aims for a team mate to win, I can't really see how this makes sense.

The stage is a fit for him unless Cattaneo has a superb day. In that case Remco could be the decoy. However, I do think Remco has this one marked on his list and his remarks may help to confuse the other teams.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

This thread already has more posts than the one for stage 19 had when the stage finished.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Just read that Evenepoel yesterday said that he considers to take it easy (“Cette étape de samedi aurait pu être un objectif concret, dit-il. Mais comme j’ai déjà remporté trois étapes, je vais peut-être tout simplement profiter de ma journée. On verra. De toute façon, je n’ai plus de pression"). That would contradict his statement from the day before, of course - but unless he aims for a team mate to win, I can't really see how this makes sense.

Only reason to take it easy for him is if he wants to save a bullet for Lombardia. But still 3 weeks until that, so I’m not sure it’s a logical decision.

 

[Rob5091]

So we get the whole stage televised?
Well, they start on an ascent up a Cat 3 so it won't be long until we know the lay of the land ( or break composition if you want).

 

[KZD]

I think the chances of the break making it will depend a bit on Remco wanting to enter it or if he just wants to win the stage from the GC group.

In theory a very hilly stage like this one could present a bigger challenge to a pure climber like Kuss than the mountain stages we've had before. I don't think Roglič will go rogue but if someone like Ayuso attacks and he follows instead of Kuss and Vingegård, things could get interesting.

 

[Red Rick]

I think the chances of the break making it will depend a bit on Remco wanting to enter it or if he just wants to win the stage from the GC group.

In theory a very hilly stage like this one could present a bigger challenge to a pure climber like Kuss than the mountain stages we've had before. I don't think Roglič will go rogue but if someone like Ayuso attacks and he follows instead of Kuss and Vingegård, things could get interesting.

Ayuso is never making a threat to take 4 minutes. Jumbo's only job today is to police the breakaway so that there's limited amount of UAE, Bahrein or Movistar guys in there. And those teams are much more likely to attack each other and chase each other.

All climbs are easy enough that Mas, Ayuso or Landa aren't staying away if Vingegaard or Roglic decides to choo choo Kuss around.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

It all depends on how close Remco is to the 200%, he wishes to be at for the Tour next year. 133.427% will probably be enough to win from a break, but perhaps not to do it from the peloton.

 

[RedheadDane]

133.427% will probably be enough to win from a break, but perhaps not to do it from the peloton.

What about 133.428%? Is that too small a difference to matter?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

What about 133.428%? Is that too small a difference to matter?

Normally, yes.