Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2025, Stage 10: Sendaviva – Larra-Belagua (175.3k)

[Krzysztof_O]

Vine is really made for these unipuerto breakaways, another good win but it does seem UAE do not believe in Almeida that much.

Coming from Zwift Academy he's a master of pacing and numbers: his 20-30 minute w/kg is world class but he likely has some shortcomings in endurance.

 

[Cookster15]

Coming from Zwift Academy he's a master of pacing and numbers: his 20-30 minute w/kg is world class but he likely has some shortcomings in endurance.

I think Vine's main shortcoming is a lack of descending ability but that is also why unipuerto MTFs are perfect for him.

Not sure about any shortcomings in endurance but his super high aerobic capacity wouldn't hurt.

 

[joe_papp]

Any update on the rider(s) who crashed when Palestinian-flag waving protesters ran in front of the peloton on today's stage, causing a pile-up (as documented in footage shared by Mihai Simion)? I saw at least one rider (Intermarché) on the tarmac who looked like he may have been grievously hurt.

 

[Danskebjerge]

Any update on the rider(s) who crashed when Palestinian-flag waving protesters ran in front of the peloton on today's stage, causing a pile-up (as documented in footage shared by Mihai Simion)? I saw at least one rider (Intermarché) on the tarmac who looked like he may have been grievously hurt.

"The disruption caused Intermarché-Wanty rider Simone Petilli to be knocked off his bike in the mayhem as riders swerved and braked to avoid the mob. The Italian did not appear seriously injured, and he was not mentioned in the post-stage medical report. He finished the stage and sits 100th overall." (Outside Magazine)

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Any update on the rider(s) who crashed when Palestinian-flag waving protesters ran in front of the peloton on today's stage, causing a pile-up (as documented in footage shared by Mihai Simion)? I saw at least one rider (Intermarché) on the tarmac who looked like he may have been grievously hurt.

My understanding is that the only rider to go down at that point was Petili , who finished the stage 121st, so far from being one of the last. His team hasn't put up any report on his condition on Twittex, so presumably no ill effects.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I think Vine's main shortcoming is a lack of descending ability but that is also why unipuerto MTFs are perfect for him.

Not sure about any shortcomings in endurance but his super high aerobic capacity wouldn't hurt.

HIgh VO2max / threshold power is obviously highly correlated with performance in very very long efforts (many hours) if sufficient training is done. But some guys are simply better in endurance aspects (GT races or very long one-day races) than others while having similar max. aerobic abilities.

 

[Red Rick]

They were fighting for hours to get in the breakaway, Vine isn't a some 20 minute MTT hyperspecialist.

 

[Netserk]

HIgh VO2max / threshold power is obviously highly correlated with performance in very very long efforts (many hours) if sufficient training is done. But some guys are simply better in endurance aspects (GT races or very long one-day races) than others while having similar max. aerobic abilities.

Vine is on the heavy side for GC riders nowadays. He has a strong bazooka and excellent rouleur skills, but he is not nimble and explosive, nor is his pure W/kg at the highest lvl.

Both stage wins were more about compound score than wall climbing.

 

[Red Rick]

Vine is on the heavy side for GC riders nowadays. He has a strong bazooka and excellent rouleur skills, but he is not nimble and explosive, nor is his pure W/kg at the highest lvl.

Both stage wins were more about compound score than wall climbing.

Beat the climbers on the flat, beat the rouleurs on the climb. In addition, it being a really weak break also helped a lot.

 

[Netserk]

Beat the climbers on the flat, beat the rouleurs on the climb. In addition, it being a really weak break also helped a lot.

Jorgenson is an interesting comparison. Matteo is clearly better at the shortest efforts, and I also think his W/kg is generally higher, but I think there might be a sweetspot where Vine is better.

 

[Red Rick]

Jorgenson is an interesting comparison. Matteo is clearly better at the shortest efforts, and I also think his W/kg is generally higher, but I think there might be a sweetspot where Vine is better.

Sweetspot being race selection, choosing to go stagehunting.

 

[Netserk]

Sweetspot being race selection, choosing to go stagehunting.

Do you think Vine is heavier, or is it only CdA that is his edge over Big Jorge?

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Beat the climbers on the flat, beat the rouleurs on the climb. In addition, it being a really weak break also helped a lot.

Given Vine's stature, I've always imagined his lung capacity to be at the higher end in the peleton.
Moreover, a naturally high VO2max - which is now being further optimized, just like all riders in the peloton optimize everything they have potential for, down to the last detail, plus his completely natural focus on this due to his history, yes, he could easily be regarded an Indurain type of rider, IMO.
However, Indu had an extremely low resting heart rate in addition.

Though, I still have the impression that Vine is something in-between, speaking rider type;
Many of Indu's forces (OK so maybe at lower level), but who then lacks the last bit of stability and natural recovery to be GC potential. If that part succeeds for him, then I really can't see any limitations for him as future career goal.

 

[Red Rick]

Do you think Vine is heavier, or is it only CdA that is his edge over Big Jorge?

Think only CdA. Vine is shorter, so I'm not very easily convinced about him being heavier.

 

[SafeBet]

Given Vine's stature, I've always imagined his lung capacity to be at the higher end in the peleton.
Moreover, a naturally high VO2max - which is now being further optimized, just like all riders in the peloton optimize everything they have potential for, down to the last detail, plus his completely natural focus on this due to his history, yes, he could easily be regarded an Indurain type of rider, IMO.
However, Indu had an extremely low resting heart rate in addition.

Though, I still have the impression that Vine is something in-between, speaking rider type;
Many of Indu's forces (OK so maybe at lower level), but who then lacks the last bit of stability and natural recovery to be GC potential. If that part succeeds for him, then I really can't see any limitations for him as future career goal.

I'm not sure recovery is the problem for Vine.
His main issue is likely the ability to ride in the bunch which results in him wasting a lot more energy compared to better bike handlers when riding at full speed, especially on flat(tish) terrain. I guess that's why he has never ridden the Tour in his career.
That's also a significant hindrance to riding for GC in three week races.

 

[Tim Cahill]

It would be a great shame if a rider of that calibre didn’t end up riding the tour, hopefully he goes to Jayco or something when his contract is up.

 

[yaco]

It would be a great shame if a rider of that calibre didn’t end up riding the tour, hopefully he goes to Jayco or something when his contract is up.

Jayco should be over him like a bad rush. Perfect fit when you consider the exodus from the team, especially climbers.