Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2025, Stage 3: San Maurizio Canavese – Ceres (134.6k)

[scribers]

He is just sprinting... it's not like he is doing 20 km solo

You make it sound like a video game

 

[memyselfandI]

That was part of the misjudgement, in their heads they were trying to tire out people like Aular who probably beat Pedersen in a flat sprint and ignored/underestimated the possibility of climbers winning.

Now this ultimate jedi mind humor, or I really miss something? Like Aular to make Pedersen hardly break any sweat in Pedersens day of life?

 

[Peyroteo94]

You make it sound like a video game

It isn't but Almeida was probably sprinting too to not get gapped. 30 seconds efforts are not a big deal and the stage was very easy. Less than 3 hours on the bike.

 

[JosefK]

I think this is the first time I've seen Vingo a tad ticked off, not his usual.

 

[Didinho]

Ayuso and Almeida still missing.

Was perfectly fine, stayed close to their main GC rivals Pidcock, Kuss, O’Connor, Meintjes and Landa.

 

[memyselfandI]

I think this is the first time I've seen Vingo a tad ticked off, not his usual.

It was kinda surprising how open both Vingegaard and Pedersen left that final corner, not cutting inside firmly, especially Vingegaard.

 

[Sciatic]

I don't understand the way Vingo is riding. it's like this pattern of pogi's is a recipe for success? Or he is just so much stronger than the rest atm, he thinks he can burn matches by the bunches?

Good question. Visma is riding these early stages like they did the 1st week of Le Tour, which just seemed to burn out their domestiques?

 

[memyselfandI]

I don't understand the way Vingo is riding. it's like this pattern of pogi's is a recipe for success? Or he is just so much stronger than the rest atm, he thinks he can burn matches by the bunches?

Same.

Maybe it's because he and the team thinks it's important to stay high because the risk of crashing. And when I'm up here, well I might as well......

But does he spend too much too early? Of course the thing is, he's 'been there done that' before. Winning , not winning , and could be thinking this is not going to be as hard as TdF typically is.

 

[Oldman]

It was kinda surprising how open both Vingegaard and Pedersen left that final corner, not cutting inside firmly, especially Vingegaard.

Jonas admitted he was having trouble holding Pederson's wheel and probably just locked onto it. Pedersen also probably thought he had momentum on his side and didn't look back, like Guilio in Stage 1. Funny how Guilio may have lost it doing that while Pedersen had confidence...
Gaudu managed to time that acceleration into the corner perfectly and never lost a pedal stroke. Great finish and kudos to he and his team. They were optimally present in the last KM.

 

[Põhja Konn]

Vingegaard rode exactly the same way in the Dauphine and the Tour so it shouldn't be such a surprise he's doing that approach again now . He has clearly improved his explosivity and tries to gain us much from it as he can. Pog aside, he was clearly stronger than the others for the rest of the race in France and should be even more clearly against this Vuelta field.

 

[Brullnux]

Now this ultimate jedi mind humor, or I really miss something? Like Aular to make Pedersen hardly break any sweat in Pedersens day of life?

Pedersen is slow in a flat sprint unless it's been a hard day where everyone is at their limit, especially this year. I don't think Mads has even been on the podium this year for that type of sprint (or maybe just in Paris-Nice when Hugo Page got relegated). He's not much quicker than Aular anymore.

Anyway, Aular was more just an example of the type of person who might have been closer at the end if it had been a slower finish, to say that Lidl focused more on making the finish too hard for anyone else vaguely fast rather than making it easy enough that Pedersen himself wouldn't be gassed and beaten by a clomvsr. It didn't seem like they even considered the latter option

 

[scribers]

Vingegaard rode exactly the same way in the Dauphine and the Tour so it shouldn't be such a surprise he's doing that approach again now . He has clearly improved his explosivity and tries to gain us much from it as he can. Pog aside, he was clearly stronger than the others for the rest of the race in France and should be even more clearly against this Vuelta field.

He rode those two races that way because he had to to not lose an aggregation of seconds turned into minutes to Pogacar

 

[KZD]

The camerawork wasn't exactly great but that was some good cornering by Gaudu to take the win!

Vingegaard getting more bonus seconds.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

I don't understand the way Vingo is riding. it's like this pattern of pogi's is a recipe for success? Or he is just so much stronger than the rest atm, he thinks he can burn matches by the bunches?

No 3k rule today, so being in front meant that he was going to avoid losing time in any potential crashes. It made perfect sense.

 

[P4rthen0n]

Theses finales are good for Ayuso. This poor performance is a bad omen.

Exactly.
On top form, both Almeida and Ayuso would have done better yesterday and today.
The fact that they didn't is not a good sign regarding their form.


Great win by Gaudu btw!

 

[scribers]

Exactly.
On top form, both Almeida and Ayuso would have done better yesterday and today.
The fact that they didn't is not a good sign regarding their form.


Great win by Gaudu btw!

These guys typically superpeak, and pogi not riding the vuelta was clearly not on their training calendar. But who knows, maybe when the real mountains hit they'll have a little something to show us.

 

[scribers]

No 3k rule today, so being in front meant that he was going to avoid losing time in any potential crashes. It made perfect sense.

Sorry not following this, but was yesterday's finish under the same circumstances? Because sprinting for a few seconds and podium duties isn't the typical GC recipe for success.

 

[fenns]

Sorry not following this, but was yesterday's finish under the same circumstances? Because sprinting for a few seconds and podium duties isn't the typical GC recipe for success.

Jonas is so much better than the others it doesn't really matter. He probably wants to win some races after following Pogacar since June.

 

[Andy262]

Just caught up with this and what a finish. Trek mugged! But what a move that was on the final corner.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Sorry not following this, but was yesterday's finish under the same circumstances? Because sprinting for a few seconds and podium duties isn't the typical GC recipe for success.

There was a gap from 4th to 5th yesterday, and he got 10 seconds. Not a bad result for like 1 minute of doing more effort than 2022-2023 Vingegaard would have.

Pogacar does this every GT, Roglic did this in every GT pre-2023 Giro, TGH did this when he won his Giro, Bernal also did this when he won his Giro. That's the majority of GT wins this decade covered. It is entirely the typical GC recipe these days.

And I also think Vingegaard was simply sick of not winning. Before yesterday, his most recent win was in February, that has to feel like eons when you're a rider of his calibre. Morale matters for your performance level.

 

[E_F_]

What an unbelievable double Danish botch job, man. lmao.

 

[Vinther1991]

Well done Gaudu! Super slick corner!

 

[memyselfandI]

What an unbelievable double Danish botch job, man. lmao.

Tbo Vingo is in green. And Pedersen came up 31 clicks in points ranking, he's back in the game after soft start. If it is usual Mads, it's going to be sweaty afternoons for Philipsen, especially if Pedersen decides to go for the intermediates with escape groups.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Now this ultimate jedi mind humor, or I really miss something? Like Aular to make Pedersen hardly break any sweat in Pedersens day of life?

It's just a mild case of Hazukitis, an affliction that has symptoms such as causing the sufferer to have irrationally high expectations of any Latin American rider. It's not contagious and often passes swiftly, many of us including myself have had bouts of it on a few occasions.

 

[scribers]

There was a gap from 4th to 5th yesterday, and he got 10 seconds. Not a bad result for like 1 minute of doing more effort than 2022-2023 Vingegaard would have.

Pogacar does this every GT, Roglic did this in every GT pre-2023 Giro, TGH did this when he won his Giro, Bernal also did this when he won his Giro. That's the majority of GT wins this decade covered. It is entirely the typical GC recipe these days.

And I also think Vingegaard was simply sick of not winning. Before yesterday, his most recent win was in February, that has to feel like eons when you're a rider of his calibre. Morale matters for your performance level.

I believe your perspective, but I'd actually have to see typical gap differences in mountains in each of those cases of GT winners, and I am willing to bet MTF and steep selections made the real gap time differences for each of the winners.

There might be at least as many examples of guys who didn't regulate their Kj at moments like sprints for seconds who were not be found when the big gaps selections were happening. Of course that can't be proven, only speculated. For example, many think Pogi just spent too much screwing around in earlier stages with sprints when he sagged in the third week against vingo in the two editions Vingo won. One could even argue this happened this year too, in spite of the decisive finish.