Vuelta Stage 17: Villadiego - Los Machucos (180.5 km)

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I'm sure it used to be that the break needed 7+ mins at the base of a mountain top finish to have a chance 10+ years back. These days if they have 2 mins they have a great chance at holding off even the top climbers at full speed.
 
Dekker_Tifosi said:
Nice win by Denifl, didn't think he would make it with only such a small lead on the peloton.

Contador was amazing today. Only one who really stood out from the favorites.
Zakarin is a crafty rider, when Nibali went he let Kelderman tire himself out, and then went himself and dropped him. But only 15 seconds, for Kelderman not bad on an ultra steep climb to Lopez, Zakarin and Nibali. Podium will be hard to impossible now though.

Froome must be worried.. he was really bad today. But 1.10 is still a lot. Nibali has no choice but to pressure him early on Angliru
Good point about Zakarin. I'd say "opportunistic."

I don't know that Froome was "really bad," but it looked to me like he was pretty gassed, maybe Tour fatigue is catching up. (And I said just two days ago that he wasn't beatable on the road. Shame on me!) Apparently he went deeper than most people thought in the ITT. Let's see how he recovers...
 
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well well today it was raining ? And was cold ? Froome could suffer some sickness , he is too thin , immunitary system could be compromised , really
 
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telencefalus said:
well well today it was raining ? And was cold ? Froome could suffer some sickness , he is too thin , immunitary system could be compromised , really
TBF Nibali is also one of the skinniest riders and he does very well in the cold
 
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PremierAndrew said:
Brullnux said:
General classification

1. Chris Froome (GB/Team Sky) 67hrs 44min 03secs

2. Antonio Nibali (Ita/Bahrain-Merida) +1mins 16secs

From the bbc
And people say Antonio shouldnt be on a WT team ;)
Don't make fun of Antonio. He's 99th in GC in his first GT. You know who also rode top 100 in his first GT? Chris Froome.
 
A crazy decision by Orica to attack on the second last climb - And Chaves got 3km up the climb until he popped - Then Orica went to plan B to get Haig into the final climb with a break on the peleton - Problem is that type of climb is unsuitable for Haig - It's been a bad Vuelta for Orica.
 
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Someone said that if not for the domestique Froome today would have lost a minute more , it is plausible ? Unlukly i don't watch the stage as you can imagine
 
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PremierAndrew said:
Brullnux said:
General classification

1. Chris Froome (GB/Team Sky) 67hrs 44min 03secs

2. Antonio Nibali (Ita/Bahrain-Merida) +1mins 16secs

From the bbc
And people say Antonio shouldnt be on a WT team ;)
On that very same joke, was it bro Antonio that went to the early break in last climb initiated by Yates/Chaves? The riding style from distance looked so similar that for a while I thought it was Vince :lol:
 
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deValtos said:
I'm sure it used to be that the break needed 7+ mins at the base of a mountain top finish to have a chance 10+ years back. These days if they have 2 mins they have a great chance at holding off even the top climbers at full speed.
The type of climbs have changed, as well as the types of riders getting into those breaks. The Vuelta has always had some differences to other GTs in that respect in that you have people riding for Worlds preparation often meaning quite strong climbers not riding for GC (take Cunego in 2009 for example), but there's also a few other factors.

- The rise of the Unipuerto stage and reduction in the number of mid-stage obstacles means that the fatigue factor of riding in the break compared to the péloton is reduced compared to over a big multi-col stage
- The early GC shakedown in the race means a lot of people who are reasonably strong climbers have been eliminated from contention early on, meaning they've reverted to stagehunting and not bothered with trying to recuperate their GC positions (like Majka, for example)
- A greater level of tactical awareness within the breakaway of what is needed to dose the efforts, power meter and radio racing is good for this because an advantage of being cabeza de carrera is that you don't have to change up paces to respond to moves
- A preference on the part of GC riders not to blow up the race early on means that the favourites group often rides at the pace of super-domestiques for lower slopes - while they can be putting the hurt on, they wouldn't catch the fugitives as quickly as if it was a direct head to head against a specialist leader

Anyway, davaj Kamaz, we could be on for what I think would be the first Muslim GT podium on this form.

What the race really needs, however, is a Monte Abantos ITT on Saturday.
 
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yaco said:
A crazy decision by Orica to attack on the second last climb - And Chaves got 3km up the climb until he popped - Then Orica went to plan B to get Haig into the final climb with a break on the peleton - Problem is that type of climb is unsuitable for Haig - It's been a bad Vuelta for Orica.
Why crazy? Chaves is not good enough in this Vuelta to achieve anything by waiting.
 
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hrotha said:
yaco said:
A crazy decision by Orica to attack on the second last climb - And Chaves got 3km up the climb until he popped - Then Orica went to plan B to get Haig into the final climb with a break on the peleton - Problem is that type of climb is unsuitable for Haig - It's been a bad Vuelta for Orica.
Why crazy? Chaves is not good enough in this Vuelta to achieve anything by waiting.
Because defending 9th place obviously is more important than to try to win anything.....
 
Gigs_98 said:
Dekker_Tifosi said:
To underline the strength of what Denifl did:

Only 7 riders climbed Los Machucos faster than Denifl: Contador, Lopez, Nibali, Zakarin, Majka, Woods and Kelderman.
That's just crazy. How on earth could he do that after being in the break all day.
Austrian weather conditions + his mtb background, those guys tend to be great on very steep climbs. They're used to riding long distances on very steep climbs with intervals of less steep sections inbetween.
 
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Lexman said:
Escarabajo said:
movingtarget said:
Lexman said:
Chaves lost 5.52 !
Orica's tactics didn't make a lot of sense.
I didn't watch completely. What did they do?

Thanks.
they put Cort in the Bod and then chased after the Bod, on the Alisas climb yates and chaves attacked but where reeled in then he lost almost 6 minutes on the last climb...
Ok. Thanks.

I guess they felt like they didn't have anything to lose today after the ITT.
 
Base on past history I can't see Froome winning this. Think he will loses minutes on Angliru, unless he got a hunger bonk today which someone suggested, but didn't look like it to me.
 
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movingtarget said:
Escarabajo said:
movingtarget said:
Lexman said:
Chaves lost 5.52 !
Orica's tactics didn't make a lot of sense.
I didn't watch completely. What did they do?

Thanks.
They attacked early with Yates and Chaves and then sent Haig up the road to chase the breakaway. The extra work would not have helped Chaves after yesterday but his race is done anyway. Haig had a pretty good ride.
Thanks!
 
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Froome said that he feels good but then he said that he HOPE to finish the job WITH THE HELP OF TEAM i think he is cooked , but if will be enough for Nibali or Contador?
 
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bigcog said:
Base on past history I can't see Froome winning this. Think he will loses minutes on Angliru, unless he got a hunger bonk today which someone suggested, but didn't look like it to me.
If this was a hunger knock we'd already know. It's in Sky's interest to find an explanation for his performance which does not suggest that he is fading.
 
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hrotha said:
yaco said:
A crazy decision by Orica to attack on the second last climb - And Chaves got 3km up the climb until he popped - Then Orica went to plan B to get Haig into the final climb with a break on the peleton - Problem is that type of climb is unsuitable for Haig - It's been a bad Vuelta for Orica.
Why crazy? Chaves is not good enough in this Vuelta to achieve anything by waiting.
When did Contadar and Lopez attack - On the final climb - You were never going to get way on the second last climb.
 

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