WADA: Armstrong investigation to drop "bomb" shortly.

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Well, Armstrong has already been brought down to a larger extent than ever before where it counts for cycling - in court of public opinion.



You'll find that most of us don't care whether he'll be brought out in handcuffs, we're simply interested in the lies and the cheating to be exposed.

Given the wide-spead publicity, the prosecutors are now extremely motivated to bring some sort of an indictment - if they don't, it will indeed end up being a "waste of taxpayer monies". In that sense the Armstong camp's defense blaming a "witch hunt" has been counter-productive to their efforts to try to stop the investigation. The public comments by Howman suggest there's more substance there than you'd like to admit.

If you're hoping for no indictment at all, you're likely to be dissapointed. The legal process that follows will be long and complicated - and probably will result in no jail time to the accused. But, the truth will come out with more clarity and proof than ever before - and that's a form of justice regardless of the eventual penalties handed out.

I thought this was a colossal mistake by Armstrong's camp as soon as they said it. It only enrages and threatens investigators.

 

[indurain666]

This thread is pretty much SpartacusRox's consolidation as the most devoted, blind and mancrushed fanboy on this forum. Honorable mentions: Polish, Flicker and Wonderlance. Keep up the good work guys

 

[ChrisE]

The AFLD has offered up the many samples they have.

I haven't heard that. I only thought Bordry offered up the 99 samples, right before he quit. Strange timing.

Stephens makes a good point about offering up all the others.

 

[ChrisE]

This thread is pretty much SpartacusRox's consolidation as the most devoted, blind and mancrushed fanboy on this forum. Honorable mentions: Polish, Flicker and Wonderlance. Keep up the good work guys

And only one of the 3 has their hero's name in their username. Go figure.

 

[Oldman]

There is no chance Armstrong comes out of this process without some kind of indictment. It's just a matter of what. All this effort will not come to pass lightly.

I'm still thinking he will roll over and offer up something of real value to USADA and have his Oprah moment afterward. I wouldn't be surprised if he already has a publicist working on the exit strategy and his next career. Jeez, Elliot Spitzer went from idiot politician/hookerjohn to media columnist in short order. Rush Limbaugh, the icon of all that is right has had to wash his Oxycontin habit out of his background and is still making bank.
No, Lance will not maintain the interest of many of his fans but don't discount the prospect that he may represent something marketable to some media venue.
I'm thinking: Survivor-Jungle of Equador. I'd watch that.

 

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I'm still thinking he will roll over and offer up something of real value to USADA and have his Oprah moment afterward. I wouldn't be surprised if he already has a publicist working on the exit strategy and his next career. Jeez, Elliot Spitzer went from idiot politician/hookerjohn to media columnist in short order. Rush Limbaugh, the icon of all that is right has had to wash his Oxycontin habit out of his background and is still making bank.
No, Lance will not maintain the interest of many of his fans but don't discount the prospect that he may represent something marketable to some media venue.
I'm thinking: Survivor-Jungle of Equador. I'd watch that.

I think it might depend on a couple of things, like if this fraud charge is likely to stick, or if the whistler-blower complaint threatens to result in a large loss of cash. If it were me, I'd consider lying my *** off if it meant 9 months in jail....which might save me a few million.

 

[Race Radio]

I haven't heard that. I only thought Bordry offered up the 99 samples, right before he quit. Strange timing.

Stephens makes a good point about offering up all the others.

The Feds can request any samples they like. To get samples overseas, prosecutors would merely have to file paperwork known as "letters rogatory,"

Lets say they want to test samples for plasticizers from the day after Landis's said the entire team transfused on the bus, they can do that. Or perhaps they want to make a chart of Armstrong HCT levels over the last 10 years with corresponding rct and plasticizer levels....they can do that. Or maybe they want to test for an experimental drug that never made it to market or for more precise amounts of Clenbuterol.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

I'm still thinking he will roll over and offer up something of real value to USADA and have his Oprah moment afterward. I wouldn't be surprised if he already has a publicist working on the exit strategy and his next career. Jeez, Elliot Spitzer went from idiot politician/hookerjohn to media columnist in short order. Rush Limbaugh, the icon of all that is right has had to wash his Oxycontin habit out of his background and is still making bank.
No, Lance will not maintain the interest of many of his fans but don't discount the prospect that he may represent something marketable to some media venue.
I'm thinking: Survivor-Jungle of Equador. I'd watch that.

Well, having a fair idea of what the American Media Empire has to offer, I'm fairly certain that however he pulls himself out of this it will be utterly banal and yet profitable. Maybe a Lance Armstrong Bachelor show? Hell, for a million bucks I'd screw that rotten *******...

How about an Apprentice show? How much abuse can you take, and still keep your mouth shut? Mind you, if you talk, a giant yellow hammer drops from the ceiling and drives your head into your shoulders...

I'd like a Big Brother house show. LA, the Hog, most of the old-school postal roster. Lock them in a wharehouse, arm them with ice picks, and see who walks out. My money's on Hincapie, he may not be crafty but he can take a beatin and keep on ticking...

Any others?

 

[SpartacusRox]

This thread is pretty much SpartacusRox's consolidation as the most devoted, blind and mancrushed fanboy on this forum. Honorable mentions: Polish, Flicker and Wonderlance. Keep up the good work guys

Whether it is three hateboyz or 5 makes no difference to the fact that you can name call and disparage all you like but I haven't seen a scrap of evidence presented on these forums that will stand up in a criminal court setting. I already know that RR, Hog. Thoughtless and other sycophants are living in an anti LA fantasy world. i suppose there is always room for one more. Interesting you take the name of a guy who probably doped his way to every TdF win.

 

[Race Radio]

Whether it is three hateboyz or 5 makes no difference to the fact that you can name call and disparage all you like but I haven't seen a scrap of evidence presented on these forums that will stand up in a criminal court setting. I already know that RR, Hog. Thoughtless and other sycophants are living in an anti LA fantasy world. i suppose there is always room for one more. Interesting you take the name of a guy who probably doped his way to every TdF win.

It appears that the law is another area of knowledge deficiency for you. The fact is direct witness testimony is the cornerstone of most cases.

 

[9000ft]

So what I want to know is if he confesses, how much groveling, prostrating (preferably at Greg Lemonds feet) and humiliation will be good enough for the prolific anti LA posters here or will he have to go to prison (hopefully getting raped - anything less would be unsatisfactory) to complete the anti LA orgasm?

Just curious.

 

[Race Radio]

So what I want to know is if he confesses, how much groveling, prostrating (preferably at Greg Lemonds feet) and humiliation will be good enough for the prolific anti LA posters here or will he have to go to prison (hopefully getting raped - anything less would be unsatisfactory) to complete the anti LA orgasm?

Just curious.

Contrary to the media invention Armstrong is chronically insecure. His slide into irrelevancy is the worst punishment for Wonderboy.

Armstrong is rapidly becoming a national joke. I would be far more satisfied to see Verburggen, Weisel, Charmichel, Stapleton, Ferrari, The Hog etc. get some form of exposure and punishment for their actions.

 

[Darryl Webster]

I thought this was a colossal mistake by Armstrong's camp as soon as they said it. It only enrages and threatens investigators.

Tottaly agree...as an Ameican hes free to challenge French enquiries legitimacy and engage that form of patriotism that believes every other nation has a hidden agenda.
But challange your own nations guardians of law in the same way and you realy get peeps backs up.
Big mistake.

 

[9000ft]

Contrary to the media invention Armstrong is chronically insecure. His slide into irrelevancy is the worst punishment for Wonderboy.

Armstrong is rapidly becoming a national joke. I would be far more satisfied to see Verburggen, Weisel, Charmichel, Stapleton, Ferrari, The Hog etc. get some form of exposure and punishment for their actions.

OK, fair enough, although given the level of past vitriol and tenaciousness on the subject in the past I have some doubt as to the complete sincerity of your response.

As far as LA fading into obscurity being punishment enough you may very well be right. (or not, since I don't know the guy I couldn't say one way or another) What if you're wrong and he finds that he's quite happy to settle quietly into retirement, enjoy spending time with his kids, spend time with his gal, ride his bike, run without the pressure to perform of a pro racer, etc? Would that be hard to swallow? People are very adaptable.

Also: The people you list above may or may not have participated in administering PED programs. You can probably make the same accusations toward just about everybody involved in managing and training not just in pro cycling, but in pro sports in general. Is it only those above named people you want to go to prison, be ruined financially, etc, or do you want the same punishment to everyone who is guilty of the same alleged crimes?

 

[Race Radio]

OK, fair enough, although given the level of past vitriol and tenaciousness on the subject in the past I have some doubt as to the complete sincerity of your response.

As far as LA fading into obscurity being punishment enough you may very well be right. (or not, since I don't know the guy I couldn't say one way or another) What if you're wrong and he finds that he's quite happy to settle quietly into retirement, enjoy spending time with his kids, spend time with his gal, ride his bike, run without the pressure to perform of a pro racer, etc? Would that be hard to swallow? People are very adaptable.

Also: The people you list above may or may not have participated in administering PED programs. You can probably make the same accusations toward just about everybody involved in managing and training not just in pro cycling, but in pro sports in general. Is it only those above named people you want to go to prison, be ruined financially, etc, or do you want the same punishment to everyone who is guilty of the same alleged crimes?

Please give an example of vitriol.

No, You cannot make the same accusations against all managers. There are plenty of people in the sport who are not enablers. If you want a change in the culture of the sport going after the riders will do little. Ferrari, Lefevere, Brunyeel, Verbruggen, McQuaid etc. have enabling doping for decades. Until they are out of the sport there will be no change.

 

[buckwheat]

Wishful fanboy thinking.

OK, fair enough, although given the level of past vitriol and tenaciousness on the subject in the past I have some doubt as to the complete sincerity of your response.

That's because he knows the guy personally.

What is the vitriol you mention btw? If there's any it pales beside the MOUNTAIN of facts he presents with his posts.

As far as LA fading into obscurity being punishment enough you may very well be right. (or not, since I don't know the guy I couldn't say one way or another) What if you're wrong and he finds that he's quite happy to settle quietly into retirement, enjoy spending time with his kids, spend time with his gal, ride his bike, run without the pressure to perform of a pro racer, etc? Would that be hard to swallow? People are very adaptable.

I doubt RR would be all that bothered by the very remote possibility you mention. Pharmstrong is an aggressively narcissistic egomaniac. What do you think the comeback was about? The guy (LA) is so delusional that rather than appreciating that he got away with murder, he argued that his pharmacologically enhanced performances were vastly superior to those of the 2008 podium finishers. The only way he sits at home is if he's in failing health due to his massive use of PED's.

Also: The people you list above may or may not have participated in administering PED programs. You can probably make the same accusations toward just about everybody involved in managing and training not just in pro cycling, but in pro sports in general. Is it only those above named people you want to go to prison, be ruined financially, etc, or do you want the same punishment to everyone who is guilty of the same alleged crimes?

"May or may not?"

You need to become part of the reality based world and stop worshipping false idols.

Please read the following because you're not understanding the situation.

Whoever still can't put one and one together about what happened in cycling is beyond my help."

 

[buckwheat]

strawman

So what I want to know is if he confesses, how much groveling, prostrating (preferably at Greg Lemonds feet) and humiliation will be good enough for the prolific anti LA posters here or will he have to go to prison (hopefully getting raped - anything less would be unsatisfactory) to complete the anti LA orgasm?

Just curious.

You're projecting.

A press conference apology and a 1 year stint in minimum security would be sufficient.

A public humiliation and shaming IS necessary to give pause to the apologists, such as yourself, and the potential cheaters out there who feel they can explain away and justify anything.


Many of the people who are critical of him can actually ride and compete. His defenders consist of the PED users and fat, I mean, fan boy worshippers.

 

[buckwheat]

Whether it is three hateboyz or 5 makes no difference to the fact that you can name call and disparage all you like but I haven't seen a scrap of evidence presented on these forums that will stand up in a criminal court setting. I already know that RR, Hog. Thoughtless and other sycophants are living in an anti LA fantasy world. i suppose there is always room for one more. Interesting you take the name of a guy who probably doped his way to every TdF win.

Yeah, those guys are in a fantasy world plus....

Novitzky, the Federal Investigators, **** Pound, Greg LeMond, Andreu, JV, Floyd, "the Tabloid media ie. all of the them," 95% of European cycling fans,

ok, enough....seriously who is living in YOUR fantasy world. Where are Pharmstrong's defenders besides RBR?

 

[Berzin]

Where are Pharmstrong's defenders besides RBR?

Most of Armstrong's defenders are either here on this forum or ex-riders who may have been on the same team but weren't members of any of the Tour squads.

How come I haven't heard George Hincapie, Tyler Hamilton, Kevin Livingston, Christian Vande Velde, Jonathan Vaughters, Roberto Heras or others publicly make statements that they never saw Lance dope?

Why is that? Could one of you blithering fanboys please answer this question?

Roberto Heras, who doesn't live in the US and has nothing to do with the federal investigation certainly had an opportunity to clear the air, but when asked about doping, what did he say? He avoided the topic.

How funny is that?

 

[Race Radio]

Most of Armstrong's defenders are either here on this forum or ex-riders who may have been on the same team but weren't members of any of the Tour squads.

How come I haven't heard George Hincapie, Tyler Hamilton, Kevin Livingston, Christian Vande Velde, Jonathan Vaughters, Roberto Heras or others publicly make statements that they never saw Lance dope?

Why is that? Could one of you blithering fanboys please answer this question?

Roberto Heras, who doesn't live in the US and has nothing to do with the federal investigation certainly had an opportunity to clear the air, but when asked about doping, what did he say? He avoided the topic.

How funny is that?

Perhaps they have been asked by Novitzky to keep quite in order to not jeopardize the investigation. Better that Wonderboy does not know who said what.

 

[Derukeman]

This is another witch hunt spending taxpayers money for what? What do we gain from this whole fiasco? Cycling's reputation is already in the toilet, and Alberto getting busted can't sink it any lower. This is a worthless investigation that does nothing and will change nothing.

 

[Irish2009]

Derukeman, I dont think federal investigators are worried about doping in cycling. What they are concerned about (& so should be every right minded US citizen) is US taxpayers dollars being given as corporate sponsorship to purchase illegally acquired narcotics or for illegal practises (importation/supply).

 

[JPM London]

Derukeman, I dont think federal investigators are worried about doping in cycling. What they are concerned about (& so should be every right minded US citizen) is US taxpayers dollars being given as corporate sponsorship to purchase illegally acquired narcotics or for illegal practises (importation/supply).

Congratulations on 200!

By the way, agree...

 

[stephens]

How come I haven't heard George Hincapie, Tyler Hamilton, Kevin Livingston, Christian Vande Velde, Jonathan Vaughters, Roberto Heras or others publicly make statements that they never saw Lance dope?

You want to make another list of those who have made such public statements? Start with Frankie Andreu. Then add the other '99 teammate that remained anonymous in the press (NY Times) but that some of you here can probably identify. Then add the recent statements by Steffen Kjaergaard, Peter Meinert-Nielsen, Pavel Padrnos, Pascal Derame, who spoke of Armstrong's separation from the rest of the team and the writer alludes to this as being the reason they never saw anything.

For the record, I'm sure he cheated. But we need to tell the whole story here.

 

[JPM London]

Then add the recent statements by Steffen Kjaergaard, Peter Meinert-Nielsen, Pavel Padrnos, Pascal Derame, who spoke of Armstrong's separation from the rest of the team and the writer alludes to this as being the reason they never saw anything.

And add Vasseur to that list as well while you're at it.