WADA: Armstrong investigation to drop "bomb" shortly.

[SpartacusRox]

Not only did WADA rejected the farce that is the Virjiman report but so did vast majority of fans, researchers, and many of the UCI's own Bio Passport committee.

The only people who still cling to it are the fanboys.

If that is the case then the prosecution should not have a problem discrediting the qualifications of the panel members and of course pointing to the areas in which it was lacking....good luck on that one.

 

[SpartacusRox]

that's because you have a compromised view of me and everyone else who sees through your cheap assurances of not being an apologist and a fanboy extraordinaire. as to the substance in my posting i'll let the record stand, you are the last one i'd be concerned with. btw, getting back everything you threw at others - ad hominems, stupid word play on peoples handles, calling disagreeing with you sycophants is the least you deserve. that monkey is indeed way smarter than you, primitive fanboy.

See there you go again, talking but saying nothing and finishing with a personal slight. I will say that you are the only person I have seen on here who has stooped to having an avatar of an injured rider. I wouldn't have thought that any lover of the sport would lower themselves to that no matter what they thought about a particular rider. Speaks volumes really.

 

[python]

If that is the case then the prosecution should not have a problem discrediting the qualifications of the panel members and of course pointing to the areas in which it was lacking....good luck on that one.

why dont you, the self proclaimed supporter of the due process take the substance of the vrijman report here. let's discuss why it will have weight and why you are so skeptical of the wada calling it a farce.

roll with substance. i'll address it if you're capable of it.

 

[Berzin]

Spartacus, my good man-11 damn posts in only three of the last pages on this one thread alone.

Doesn't that speak to some insane obsession on your part?

 

[python]

Spartacus, my good man-11 damn posts in only three of the last pages on this one thread alone.

Doesn't that speak to some insane obsession on your part?

there you go again, berzin. he only called tff, food for thought 'thoughtless'..he only turned to my handle b/c he had no answer..he only called those disagreeing with him sycophans... and here you are calling him out. a ruthless man you are , berzin.

 

[Race Radio]

As the pending downfall of Armstrong draws closer it appears some are having difficulty dealing with the reality of the situation.

5 stages of grief

Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

By the looks of this meltdown someone is in the anger stage.

 

[buckwheat]

Not only did WADA rejected the farce that is the Virjiman report but so did vast majority of fans, researchers, and many of the UCI's own Bio Passport committee.

The only people who still cling to it are the fanboys.

Not only them, Jacques Rogge dismissed the independence of the report out of hand.

http://books.google.com/books?id=_O...B8Q6AEwBTgy#v=onepage&q=rogge Vrijman&f=false

It's also on page 247 or 248, From Lance to Landis. It won't come up on google books and I don't have the book with me. That's where Rogge's exact quote is.

http://books.google.com/books?id=zJ...ult&ct=result&resnum=3&sqi=2&ved=0CBoQ6AEwAg#

Quite frankly, as noted by Rogge, the Vrijman report is complete, 100% bs.

The exact quote is also on RBR but those P's OS blocked my IP address.

 

[buckwheat]

Not that I agree with GWB on much!

This is another witch hunt spending taxpayers money for what? What do we gain from this whole fiasco? Cycling's reputation is already in the toilet, and Alberto getting busted can't sink it any lower. This is a worthless investigation that does nothing and will change nothing.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/stateoftheunion2004.htm

To help children make right choices, they need good examples. Athletics play such an important role in our society, but, unfortunately, some in professional sports are not setting much of an example. The use of performance-enhancing drugs like steroids in baseball, football, and other sports is dangerous, and it sends the wrong message -- that there are shortcuts to accomplishment, and that performance is more important than character. So tonight I call on team owners, union representatives, coaches, and players to take the lead, to send the right signal, to get tough, and to get rid of steroids now.

 

[buckwheat]

I agree, but the prosecution must prove 'beyond' reasonable doubt. The defence only needs to attain a point of raising a reasonable doubt. The burden of proof as you know always rests with the prosecution.

The point I would make is that in past cases in the civil court, some (not all RR) of the very people who will be material witness in any potential criminal case have already had their evidence essentially dismissed or at least found to be unsubstantiated. That raises serious issues in a criminal setting where the defence will be able to point to that. Of course there may and probably will be other evidence presented which will be considered on its own merits.

My concern is that there is a tendency for RR and others to dismiss as fabrication any evidence one raises that could be used to support Armstrong's case but present as bulletproof, potential evidence that would be detrimental to him. When I point out such evidence as in the case of the Virjiman findings relating to the 99 sample testing, the response I get from RR is that WADA rejected those findings, essentially on the basis that they did not like them. To reinforce his point he posts in large font, perhaps beacuse he feels that adds more emphasis to his argument.

Taking that into a criminal court setting, the fact that WADA disagreed with the findings of an independent panel on the basis that they felt hard done by will be laughed out of court.

Jacque Rogge, President of the IOC dismissed those findings out of hand because he knew the report and the findings therein were absolute bs.

On 247 to 248, FromLanceToLandis.

The UCI is corrupt and Pharmstrong has what, 8 positives?

Please stop, you're looking foolish.

 

[9000ft]

You're projecting.

A press conference apology and a 1 year stint in minimum security would be sufficient.

A public humiliation and shaming IS necessary to give pause to the apologists, such as yourself, and the potential cheaters out there who feel they can explain away and justify anything.


Many of the people who are critical of him can actually ride and compete. His defenders consist of the PED users and fat, I mean, fan boy worshippers.

Worshipers? (LOL) Apologists? Dude, you and many others who post here just can't seem to comprehend that somebody can simply not be too worked up about Lance Armstrong. PEDs in pro sports is simply a symptom of the money that is able to be made by those have succeed at the highest levels of sports, be it the big stick and ball games or cycling. The fans demand super human performance and the only thing worse than a doper is a looser who rides (or throws, or kicks, or runs or tackles) like their clean.

I always find it fascinating that so many denigrate such and such because they don't attack or get dropped, etc yet react with self righteous indignation when the "exciting" riders get popped for doping. Almost as fascinating is how people comment as if they know them well on the personalities and personal lives of sport figures or other celebrities when they have never met them. Tabloid culture, be it movie stars or pro sports stars.

PS, You really think that if all the percieved "bad" guys listed get thrown out, arrested and convicted and so forth cycling will be clean? IMO as long as there's big money at stake and everybody loves a winner and nobody loves a looser, not much is going to change.

 

[Race Radio]

Worshipers? (LOL) Apologists? Dude, you and many others who post here just can't seem to comprehend that somebody can simply not be too worked up about Lance Armstrong. PEDs in pro sports is simply a symptom of the money that is able to be made by those have succeed at the highest levels of sports, be it the big stick and ball games or cycling. The fans demand super human performance and the only thing worse than a doper is a looser who rides (or throws, or kicks, or runs or tackles) like their clean.

I always find it fascinating that so many denigrate such and such because they don't attack or get dropped, etc yet react with self righteous indignation when the "exciting" riders get popped for doping. Almost as fascinating is how people comment as if they know them well on the personalities and personal lives of sport figures or other celebrities when they have never met them. Tabloid culture, be it movie stars or pro sports stars.

PS, You really think that if all the percieved "bad" guys listed get thrown out, arrested and convicted and so forth cycling will be clean? IMO as long as there's big money at stake and everybody loves a winner and nobody loves a looser, not much is going to change.

So everyone should just ignore the issue, pretend it does not exist, and pretend that the absurd lies told by dopers, Doctors, and DS's are not absurd?

Got it. We should just be unquestioning sheeple.

 

[Anonymous]

Worshipers? (LOL) Apologists? Dude, you and many others who post here just can't seem to comprehend that somebody can simply not be too worked up about Lance Armstrong. PEDs in pro sports is simply a symptom of the money that is able to be made by those have succeed at the highest levels of sports, be it the big stick and ball games or cycling. The fans demand super human performance and the only thing worse than a doper is a looser who rides (or throws, or kicks, or runs or tackles) like their clean.

I always find it fascinating that so many denigrate such and such because they don't attack or get dropped, etc yet react with self righteous indignation when the "exciting" riders get popped for doping. Almost as fascinating is how people comment as if they know them well on the personalities and personal lives of sport figures or other celebrities when they have never met them. Tabloid culture, be it movie stars or pro sports stars.

PS, You really think that if all the percieved "bad" guys listed get thrown out, arrested and convicted and so forth cycling will be clean? IMO as long as there's big money at stake and everybody loves a winner and nobody loves a looser, not much is going to change.

I always find if fascinating that someone who claims to not really care all that much about Armstrong sure has a lot of opinion when it comes to those who don't like Armstrong.

You keep saying you are detached over and over, and like a friend of mine asks if I ever tell him too many times what my opinion of my behavior is: Who are you trying to convince? The answer to that question is obvious to anyone with rudimentary psychological training.

 

[tubularglue]

the bomb' has already dropped,

now we are beginning to see the carnage. just the beginning

 

[SpartacusRox]

Spartacus, my good man-11 damn posts in only three of the last pages on this one thread alone.

Doesn't that speak to some insane obsession on your part?

Not really. if I dont respond I get Python saying I have no answer. if i do respond I get you accusing me of being a serial poster.

Hard to win in that scenario. You guys have all the bases covered.

I will say that it is pointless discussing the Virjiman report because some have already made up their minds about it based on their particular slant on the matter. At the end of the day it will be up to the court to decide upon its validity or otherwise should proceedings get that far.

 

[SpartacusRox]

Not only them, Jacques Rogge dismissed the independence of the report out of hand.

http://books.google.com/books?id=_O...B8Q6AEwBTgy#v=onepage&q=rogge Vrijman&f=false

It's also on page 247 or 248, From Lance to Landis. It won't come up on google books and I don't have the book with me. That's where Rogge's exact quote is.

http://books.google.com/books?id=zJ...ult&ct=result&resnum=3&sqi=2&ved=0CBoQ6AEwAg#

Quite frankly, as noted by Rogge, the Vrijman report is complete, 100% bs.

The exact quote is also on RBR but those P's OS blocked my IP address.

Hmm, now I wonder why he would be so keen to dismiss out of hand Buck?..


"I work extremely well together with D!cky (Pound, the IOC member and former head of the World Anti-Doping Agency.)
He did a good job at WADA and I think the IOC did a good job in leading all the way in convincing the international federations and the national Olympic Committees to adhere to this fight. So I think D!cky and I were a good couple. Normally, a good cop-bad cop couple, but still a good couple."

Yep, no potential of bias there...heck the CN forum won't even let you post Pounds name. It views it as a swear word!

Stop now Buck, you are starting to look silly.

 

[buckwheat]

Hmm, now I wonder why he would be so keen to dismiss out of hand Buck?..


"I work extremely well together with D!cky (Pound, the IOC member and former head of the World Anti-Doping Agency.)
He did a good job at WADA and I think the IOC did a good job in leading all the way in convincing the international federations and the national Olympic Committees to adhere to this fight. So I think D!cky and I were a good couple. Normally, a good cop-bad cop couple, but still a good couple."

Yep, no potential of bias there...heck the CN forum won't even let you post Pounds name. It views it as a swear word!

Stop now Buck, you are starting to look silly.

No, the Vrijman report is biased and a coverup. It obviously wasn't independent.

Your boy, Wonderboy, was not exonerated by the report.

Rogge would have welcomed an independent report. That was his reponse to the 8 page letter sent to him by Pharmstrong complaining about Pound's conduct.

Armstrong used the Vrijman report in the media as an indication that he was vindicated but in the eyes of WADA and the IOC the report, as well as Pharmstrong's assertion, was laughable.

You're protesting Pharmstrong's innocence too much for the non fanboy you claim to be.

 

[Polish]

You're projecting.

A press conference apology and a 1 year stint in minimum security would be sufficient.

A public humiliation and shaming IS necessary to give pause to the apologists, such as yourself, and the potential cheaters out there who feel they can explain away and justify anything.

.

A few hundred million dollars in exchange for a one year stint in a minimum security prison coupled with a public humiliation.

Would that really "give pause" to potential cheaters out there?
Heck, I think they would be rushing to get in line for a deal like that lol.

You have to realize it would take a lot more than that to convert a cheater into an upright citizen. Same goes for converting a fanboy into a hater

 

[Tubeless]

Not really. if I dont respond I get Python saying I have no answer. if i do respond I get you accusing me of being a serial poster.

Hard to win in that scenario. You guys have all the bases covered.

I will say that it is pointless discussing the Virjiman report because some have already made up their minds about it based on their particular slant on the matter. At the end of the day it will be up to the court to decide upon its validity or otherwise should proceedings get that far.

If you had to rate the following two parties for "independence", which one would get your vote?

- Virjiman
- WADA

 

[Hugh Januss]

If you had to rate the following two parties for "independence", which one would get your vote?

- Virjiman
- WADA

The question is not who would get Spart-rox's vote but rather who gets any one with a functioning brain's vote.

 

[Nick777]

1. I am only giving posters the courtesy of a response. Surely that is the polite thing to do, rather than ignoring their responses to my posts.

2. I do post on other topics. In fact today i have posted on two other topics totally unrelated to Armstrong. One on cramping and antoher on rehabilitation after injury.

3. I may be wrong but this thread is essentially about LA and the "Investigation Bomb" so how do i take it off topic. In fact I try to ensure that I don't take threads off topic. It is much more likely to be people like Moose, Hog, Thoughtless etc who bring Armstrong into every clinic thread.

4. I don't post about me, I post about the issue. generally in response to another poster. I admit I do sometimes have a dig in response to a few of the less rational posters such as Python.

5. I have NEVER said i am 'sure he has never doped'. if i have perhaps you could quote the thread where i said it.

6. Finally, before you accuse me of ranting, which I do not do, I merely present a point of view. You may wish to re-read some of your own posts which give a better definition of ranting than mine ever will.

Funniest post ever on cyclingnews.com

 

[Ferminal]

lol...

Guess Who.

Nobody...you really are a nobody why do you bother with your dumbass one liners. 34 tests since his comeback and no positives = clean in most sane peoples minds. Of course a million clear tests wouldn't satisfy the idiots who post crap on here.(yeah I'm talking about you BroDeal, amongst others, your last post being a classic) But really nobody..pull your head out and enjoy the race!

Sigh, another strawman argument. I may be mistaken but did I not say that he has had 34 clean tests since his return? Lets try to stay with the subject Bro and in the present. Or are you saying he has had six positives amongst those? Of course you aren't, you just can't admit the fact that Armstrong is showing that riding clean and at 37 years old he is still in the top handful of tour riders in the world and making a mockery of the crap that you and your doping obsessed mates spout. So you have to dredge up six so called positives that were re examined under totally non controlled conditions that would be thrown out of any court in the world and hang your hat on that. I suppose you have a signed copy of LA Confidential too?

Like I said to you before: 34 tests, all negative = clean in any objective persons mind.

 

[python]

lol...

Guess Who.

don't torture us..oh wait, he's not a fanboy

 

[Race Radio]

lol...

Guess Who.

Gary Seghi, Chiropractor to the stars?

 

[Rupert]

No

...If he is found not guilty, then I am assuming the majority of posters on here will accept that they were wrong and that he did win clean. You can't have it both ways.

No way.

Reality. Thought you were delusional there for a minute...

 

[Oldman]

This is another witch hunt spending taxpayers money for what? What do we gain from this whole fiasco? Cycling's reputation is already in the toilet, and Alberto getting busted can't sink it any lower. This is a worthless investigation that does nothing and will change nothing.

Cycling is a minor league carnival to USADA. You need to go back and find out what they are really after, not the tick of a human "a certain Mr. Lance Armstrong".-Paul Sherwen