Walsh Says..................?

[Eagle]

https://twitter.com/DavidWalshST/status/625231446412820480

Alberto Contador was on his knees in the mountains. Reasonable to believe he is racing last phase of his career clean.

 

[gazr99]

Re:

https://twitter.com/DavidWalshST/status/625231446412820480

Alberto Contador was on his knees in the mountains. Reasonable to believe he is racing last phase of his career clean.

That's was pretty obvious before he was on his knees after a mountain stage. I think he has 2 years left, maybe 3 at a push.

 

[Eagle]

Re: Re:

https://twitter.com/DavidWalshST/status/625231446412820480

Alberto Contador was on his knees in the mountains. Reasonable to believe he is racing last phase of his career clean.

That's was pretty obvious before he was on his knees after a mountain stage. I think he has 2 years left, maybe 3 at a push.

What was pretty obvious?

 

[Lyon]

Re:

https://twitter.com/DavidWalshST/status/625231446412820480

Alberto Contador was on his knees in the mountains. Reasonable to believe he is racing last phase of his career clean.

Preaching to the choir. Keeping the narrative. Walsh is shameless. 'New Clean Cycling' certainly knows how to pick their spokespersons.

 

[gazr99]

Re: Re:

https://twitter.com/DavidWalshST/status/625231446412820480

Alberto Contador was on his knees in the mountains. Reasonable to believe he is racing last phase of his career clean.

That's was pretty obvious before he was on his knees after a mountain stage. I think he has 2 years left, maybe 3 at a push.

What was pretty obvious?

That he's nearing the end of his career. Whilst he still has the odd magical ride left in his locker he doesn't seem to be the same rider of a few years ago. I know he went through a very tough Giro, which he struggled at the end of and has looked a shell of his former self in this Tour.

Could be that he is now riding clean which is the cause, however he seems to have an eye on retirement. For example saying how this year's Giro was his last

 

[Benotti69]

Yeah, i can just see Alberto telling Oleg, "Dude, i am nearly finished, now going to ride clean, cause you know the testing is so good, don't want to risk winning" and Oleg saying "sure, Alberto, it is why i pay you the big bucks!"

Hahaha. Walsh, what a joke. I hope when he goes on the lecture circuit some students find the clinic to lambast him with his sky reporting!!!

 

[Jacques (7 ch)]

Re:

https://twitter.com/DavidWalshST/status/625231446412820480

Alberto Contador was on his knees in the mountains. Reasonable to believe he is racing last phase of his career clean.

Can't have Froome beating dopers. Begs questions.

Although SDB could then pull out his line about 'former cheating times being beaten by clean riders'. I think Millar could probably tell that one with a straight face also.

 

[Saint Unix]

Contador: "I'm going to do the Giro-Tour double this year!"
Oleg: "Hell yeah!"
Contador mid-Giro: "F*ck me, Astana are really going for it! Better top up on the ol' dope."
Oleg: "Hell yeah!"
Contador: "One down, one to go."
Oleg: "Hell yeah!"
Contador mid-Tour: "F*ck me, Sky are really going for it!"
Oleg: "Just do what you did at the Giro, you nonce!"
Contador: "Nope."

Totally how it played out.

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

https://twitter.com/DavidWalshST/status/625231446412820480

Alberto Contador was on his knees in the mountains. Reasonable to believe he is racing last phase of his career clean.

That's was pretty obvious before he was on his knees after a mountain stage. I think he has 2 years left, maybe 3 at a push.

What was pretty obvious?

That he's nearing the end of his career. Whilst he still has the odd magical ride left in his locker he doesn't seem to be the same rider of a few years ago. I know he went through a very tough Giro, which he struggled at the end of and has looked a shell of his former self in this Tour.

Could be that he is now riding clean which is the cause, however he seems to have an eye on retirement. For example saying how this year's Giro was his last

Contador certainly isn't quite the same rider, but I doubt that Tinkov is paying megabucks to not get results. If he didn't win the Giro, Contador would be getting a shellacking worse than Sagan did before the Tour of Cali.

 

[thrawn]

Winning the Giro and then coming 5th at the Tour is hardly what I'd call being on his knees.

 

[Lyon]

Re: Re:

Contador certainly isn't quite the same rider, but I doubt that Tinkov is paying megabucks to not get results. If he didn't win the Giro, Contador would be getting a shellacking worse than Sagan did before the Tour of Cali.

And see what that did to Sagan. Same with Nibali last year. Tinkov and Vinokourov have discovered a marginal gain that not even Brailsford knows about.

 

[buckle]

http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Of...vid_Walsh_on_Chris_Froome_and_Lance_Armstrong

David Walsh is hilarious in this interview and Gerard does a brilliant job on him. Unfortunately his interview with Vayer didn't quite work.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

That's was pretty obvious before he was on his knees after a mountain stage. I think he has 2 years left, maybe 3 at a push.

What was pretty obvious?

That he's nearing the end of his career. Whilst he still has the odd magical ride left in his locker he doesn't seem to be the same rider of a few years ago. I know he went through a very tough Giro, which he struggled at the end of and has looked a shell of his former self in this Tour.

Could be that he is now riding clean which is the cause, however he seems to have an eye on retirement. For example saying how this year's Giro was his last

Contador certainly isn't quite the same rider, but I doubt that Tinkov is paying megabucks to not get results. If he didn't win the Giro, Contador would be getting a shellacking worse than Sagan did before the Tour of Cali.

my hunch is that Teams got 'talked' too or got word not to turn up to the TdF at 'peak form'......movistar obviously ignored it, and i wouldn't be surprised to see a backlash against movistar, but Eusebio Unzué is made of teflon.

 

[perico]

Walsh is a liar. It's quite sad how he pretends to ignore his own words. All in the name of nationalism-

http://sportsscientists.com/2014/07/the-2014-tour-performance-implications-a-reflection-on-the-origins/

 

[The Hitch]

Never read that before. Fantastic article.

 

[red_flanders]

Re:

Winning the Giro and then coming 5th at the Tour is hardly what I'd call being on his knees.

The only person on his knees is Walsh.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Winning the Giro and then coming 5th at the Tour is hardly what I'd call being on his knees.

The only person on his knees is Walsh.

A chap at The London TImes called Matthew Syed is fighting hard on his knees to get past Walsh.......

 

[thehog]

Re:

Walsh asks?

David Walsh @DavidWalshST
@EHP8 Big Poppa Froome and Sky around for a while, where is Swart, Andreu, O'Reilly, Mike Anderson, LeMond, Dr Ferrari figure in background?

Well did he not see Dr Leinders, Yates, Jullich, Barry, De Jongh, Knaven etc etc.............crazy. He must be getting big bucks(or maybe just keep his job at ST) to ignore the bleeding obvious.

Kinda funny reading all of this now

 

[deviant]

What Walsh obviously means is where is the dodgy Dr now?...Leinders was sent packing early on, doesn't mean his methods aren't still being used but Fuentes and Ferrari were ever present clouds over cycling during that period...at the moment who and where is the boogeyman Dr?...we don't hear that kind of thing any more...you don't have to be a Sky fan to see Walsh's point.

Likewise where are the equivalent Swart, O'Reilly, Betsy type characters coming forward to speak about Froome?...again Walsh has a point, there were always rumours, witnesses etc willing to speak about Lance, not so much with Froome.

As much as the clinic loves to conflate US Postal with Sky there are massive differences, I'm not saying Froome is clean, far from it...but I do think things have moved on in a different direction, cleaner?...no, different drugs we don't yet know about?...that's more plausible for me.

The only people that get pinged for EPO these days are amateurs and second tier pros, the top riders are using something else in my opinion...for what it's worth, and it's only my opinion and carries about as much weight as the hysteria in here about motors...i reckon the top guys are in cahoots with proper doctors and using currently legal cocktails of various meds...see Sharapova and Meldonium although that's now banned...look at Telmisartan, Tramadol etc for what I'm thinking about...also bear in mind peptides that can't currently be tested for and regular compounds like GH and insulin that are still difficult to test for, I reckon that's the method these days...burn the fat off and then use prescription meds for enhanced tissue perfusion, enhanced cardiac function, blocking out the pain etc and you've got the latest 21st century pro cyclist.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Fuentes and Ferrari were ever present clouds over cycling during that period...at the moment who and where is the boogeyman Dr?...we don't hear that kind of thing any more...you don't have to be a Sky fan to see Walsh's point.

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it...but some do learn, especially in the criminal arts.

 

[Bronstein]

What Walsh obviously means is where is the dodgy Dr now?...Leinders was sent packing early on, doesn't mean his methods aren't still being used but Fuentes and Ferrari were ever present clouds over cycling during that period...at the moment who and where is the boogeyman Dr?...we don't hear that kind of thing any more...you don't have to be a Sky fan to see Walsh's point.

Likewise where are the equivalent Swart, O'Reilly, Betsy type characters coming forward to speak about Froome?...again Walsh has a point, there were always rumours, witnesses etc willing to speak about Lance, not so much with Froome.

As much as the clinic loves to conflate US Postal with Sky there are massive differences, I'm not saying Froome is clean, far from it...but I do think things have moved on in a different direction, cleaner?...no, different drugs we don't yet know about?...that's more plausible for me.

The only people that get pinged for EPO these days are amateurs and second tier pros, the top riders are using something else in my opinion...for what it's worth, and it's only my opinion and carries about as much weight as the hysteria in here about motors...i reckon the top guys are in cahoots with proper doctors and using currently legal cocktails of various meds...see Sharapova and Meldonium although that's now banned...look at Telmisartan, Tramadol etc for what I'm thinking about...also bear in mind peptides that can't currently be tested for and regular compounds like GH and insulin that are still difficult to test for, I reckon that's the method these days...burn the fat off and then use prescription meds for enhanced tissue perfusion, enhanced cardiac function, blocking out the pain etc and you've got the latest 21st century pro cyclist.

You don't go from being a nobody to a Grand Tour contender in the blink of an eye on 'legal meds'. Such a drastic improvement requires some form of blood manipulation.

 

[yaco]

What Walsh obviously means is where is the dodgy Dr now?...Leinders was sent packing early on, doesn't mean his methods aren't still being used but Fuentes and Ferrari were ever present clouds over cycling during that period...at the moment who and where is the boogeyman Dr?...we don't hear that kind of thing any more...you don't have to be a Sky fan to see Walsh's point.

Likewise where are the equivalent Swart, O'Reilly, Betsy type characters coming forward to speak about Froome?...again Walsh has a point, there were always rumours, witnesses etc willing to speak about Lance, not so much with Froome.

As much as the clinic loves to conflate US Postal with Sky there are massive differences, I'm not saying Froome is clean, far from it...but I do think things have moved on in a different direction, cleaner?...no, different drugs we don't yet know about?...that's more plausible for me.

The only people that get pinged for EPO these days are amateurs and second tier pros, the top riders are using something else in my opinion...for what it's worth, and it's only my opinion and carries about as much weight as the hysteria in here about motors...i reckon the top guys are in cahoots with proper doctors and using currently legal cocktails of various meds...see Sharapova and Meldonium although that's now banned...look at Telmisartan, Tramadol etc for what I'm thinking about...also bear in mind peptides that can't currently be tested for and regular compounds like GH and insulin that are still difficult to test for, I reckon that's the method these days...burn the fat off and then use prescription meds for enhanced tissue perfusion, enhanced cardiac function, blocking out the pain etc and you've got the latest 21st century pro cyclist.

You don't go from being a nobody to a Grand Tour contender in the blink of an eye on 'legal meds'. Such a drastic improvement requires some form of blood manipulation.

You Are MISSING the point - Athletes are always looking for an edge and will use any type of substance that can help their performance - And they find new drugs, one's that are unknown, and therefore not part of any prohibited list - It depends on your definition of doping - For me this includes ONLY prohibited substances - of course Froome's transformation is another story.

 

[Benotti69]

What Walsh obviously means is where is the dodgy Dr now?...Leinders was sent packing early on, doesn't mean his methods aren't still being used but Fuentes and Ferrari were ever present clouds over cycling during that period...at the moment who and where is the boogeyman Dr?...we don't hear that kind of thing any more...you don't have to be a Sky fan to see Walsh's point.

Likewise where are the equivalent Swart, O'Reilly, Betsy type characters coming forward to speak about Froome?...again Walsh has a point, there were always rumours, witnesses etc willing to speak about Lance, not so much with Froome.

As much as the clinic loves to conflate US Postal with Sky there are massive differences, I'm not saying Froome is clean, far from it...but I do think things have moved on in a different direction, cleaner?...no, different drugs we don't yet know about?...that's more plausible for me.

The only people that get pinged for EPO these days are amateurs and second tier pros, the top riders are using something else in my opinion...for what it's worth, and it's only my opinion and carries about as much weight as the hysteria in here about motors...i reckon the top guys are in cahoots with proper doctors and using currently legal cocktails of various meds...see Sharapova and Meldonium although that's now banned...look at Telmisartan, Tramadol etc for what I'm thinking about...also bear in mind peptides that can't currently be tested for and regular compounds like GH and insulin that are still difficult to test for, I reckon that's the method these days...burn the fat off and then use prescription meds for enhanced tissue perfusion, enhanced cardiac function, blocking out the pain etc and you've got the latest 21st century pro cyclist.

You don't go from being a nobody to a Grand Tour contender in the blink of an eye on 'legal meds'. Such a drastic improvement requires some form of blood manipulation.

You Are MISSING the point - Athletes are always looking for an edge and will use any type of substance that can help their performance - And they find new drugs, one's that are unknown, and therefore not part of any prohibited list - It depends on your definition of doping - For me this includes ONLY prohibited substances - of course Froome's transformation is another story.

Tha anti-doping laws do cover this use of substances that are not on a list.

But because International Federations along with WADA are not interested in anti-doping, it is a meh for them.

 

[yaco]

What Walsh obviously means is where is the dodgy Dr now?...Leinders was sent packing early on, doesn't mean his methods aren't still being used but Fuentes and Ferrari were ever present clouds over cycling during that period...at the moment who and where is the boogeyman Dr?...we don't hear that kind of thing any more...you don't have to be a Sky fan to see Walsh's point.

Likewise where are the equivalent Swart, O'Reilly, Betsy type characters coming forward to speak about Froome?...again Walsh has a point, there were always rumours, witnesses etc willing to speak about Lance, not so much with Froome.

As much as the clinic loves to conflate US Postal with Sky there are massive differences, I'm not saying Froome is clean, far from it...but I do think things have moved on in a different direction, cleaner?...no, different drugs we don't yet know about?...that's more plausible for me.

The only people that get pinged for EPO these days are amateurs and second tier pros, the top riders are using something else in my opinion...for what it's worth, and it's only my opinion and carries about as much weight as the hysteria in here about motors...i reckon the top guys are in cahoots with proper doctors and using currently legal cocktails of various meds...see Sharapova and Meldonium although that's now banned...look at Telmisartan, Tramadol etc for what I'm thinking about...also bear in mind peptides that can't currently be tested for and regular compounds like GH and insulin that are still difficult to test for, I reckon that's the method these days...burn the fat off and then use prescription meds for enhanced tissue perfusion, enhanced cardiac function, blocking out the pain etc and you've got the latest 21st century pro cyclist.

You don't go from being a nobody to a Grand Tour contender in the blink of an eye on 'legal meds'. Such a drastic improvement requires some form of blood manipulation.

You Are MISSING the point - Athletes are always looking for an edge and will use any type of substance that can help their performance - And they find new drugs, one's that are unknown, and therefore not part of any prohibited list - It depends on your definition of doping - For me this includes ONLY prohibited substances - of course Froome's transformation is another story.

Tha anti-doping laws do cover this use of substances that are not on a list.

But because International Federations along with WADA are not interested in anti-doping, it is a meh for them.

Only in the vaguest of terms and one's which are easily contestable in an Anti-Doping Tribunal - Anyway you have missed the point - The question is Whether taking substances or using methods which are considered LEGAL under the WADA Code or a sport's drug code is DOPING ? In my eyes it isn't doping - But athletes being athletes will use or avail themselves of any advantage.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Tha anti-doping laws do cover this use of substances that are not on a list.

Only in the vaguest of terms and one's which are easily contestable in an Anti-Doping Tribunal

Say the *** what? Examples, please...