Warning for Lance fans

[Hugh Januss]

The guy posts a picture of two hyenas screwing in a burned out landscape and my post was over the line???!!! You guys have no sense of how this game of one-upsmanship is played, do you?

I guess words are just more graphic, huh.

 

[Mellow Velo]

The guy posts a picture of two hyenas screwing in a burned out landscape and my post was over the line???!!! You guys have no sense of how this game of one-upsmanship is played, do you?

Hang on, I have to side with Speedway, here.
There's nothing wrong in posting family photos.

 

[elapid]

I'll make one post, trying to civilly answer, and that's it.


Astounding that with the thousands of posts, threads and many detailed links and evidence, you would dismiss all of it with that argument from some unseen authority.

Have you been to the RS or RBR forums?


Usually with sharp logic, and facts. Unfortunately sometimes these same posters skin wears really thin and they give smart-ass, snarky responses, as you've now seen.

As has been posted here, and other forums many times, this is not a case of "innocent until proven guilty", as this is not a court of law. It's a sport with rules written in contract all participants sign. If it takes conviction, as in sanctioning by said governing bodies, for you to accept proof, then you are right, Lance has not been "proven guilty" (though Levi Leipheimer, who you also reference, has). None the less, a huge preponderance of evidence has shown that any person thinking with logic, unclouded by admiration, would determine he has doped. It's listed in this thread, and many more.


It appears you collapse everyone who believes Lance's guilt as an "anti-Lance hater". It is the position of many here that it is logical conclusions, based on factual evidence, that determine Lance has doped. Not whether they hate him, or anyone else, as a person.


Which shows you are starting with a biased viewpoint.


So does Betsy Andreu. I'll bet she knows more about him than you do.


Not exactly. This has been covered over and over and over in here. You say you are a long time lurker, if so, it's surprising you're trying to push this over onto people.

It's also either convenience, or just interesting for us, that you completely ignored the Michael Ashenden interview, and all he had to say regarding the 1999 EPO re-test.

Good to see you back, Alpe, and out of your mod mode.

 

[pedaling squares]

Can you all just use photos to communicate, from now on?

Yeah, the photos make more sense than the OP. Gay Vader being the funniest and the most apropos. Speedway's photo was creepy, but it made more sense than anything he's ever written.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

Usually with sharp logic, and facts.

No, the majority of the time it's refutted with naked trolling. Like this thread. The OP makes a good point about that.

It actually allows the 'fanboys' to believe the case that Armstrong had a medical programme is being peddled by hate filled trolls who don't care about the truth as long as they can smear someone. Often that is true.

Perhaps as a mod you should do more to try to help the anti Armstrong crowd address this PR problem.

 

[Ripper]

When have you ever seen me deny it?

Well, I guess you never have, I have just never seen you be so up front about it.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

Well, I guess you never have, I have just never seen you be so up front about it.

I've only ever disputed the gain it gave him over other riders doing much the same thing, and tried to put it in a rational context of the EPO era. And I'm not clear on when the blood doping ended, if it did. I'm by no means convinced that he doped last year, for instance. Even if he did it was marginal - showing again that he is a great rider.

I think some people hate that message - that he doped but deserved to win - more than they hate the "he never doped" case. They're quite happy to take on crazy fanboys claiming Lance is Jesus, but if you say he doped but is still rightfully the best of his time - plus back that up with an explanation of why you think that is - you're worse than a pedo.

They just want simple fanboys to play with.

 

[Mellow Velo]

No, the majority of the time it's refutted with naked trolling. Like this thread. The OP makes a good point about that.

Of course it's a total troll thread. Nice contribution, btw.

The debate has been done to death. All of the evidence has been, laid out, time and time again.
Then, once again, we have an: "I don't believe all the facts, I still believe in Lance and hope, even at his advanced years, he can beat a superior, young athlete, without the aid of Pharmas," post.

No wonder it ends up in an Epic Fail gallery.

 

[BikeCentric]

I've only ever disputed the gain it gave him over other riders doing much the same thing, and tried to put it in a rational context of the EPO era. And I'm not clear on when the blood doping ended, if it did. I'm by no means convinced that he doped last year, for instance. Even if he did it was marginal - showing again that he is a great rider.

I think some people hate that message - that he doped but deserved to win - more than they hate the "he never doped" case. They're quite happy to take on crazy fanboys claiming Lance is Jesus, but if you say he doped but is still rightfully the best of his time - plus back that up with an explanation of why you think that is - you're worse than a pedo.

They just want simple fanboys to play with.

 

[flicker]

My friends who dislike Lance now have more people to dislike, Chapeau, more reason to live...this is the greatest thread ever more joy!

For all of you....go Lance, go Levi, go Kloeden, go Horner, go Rubiera, go Japanese guy, go Popo.

Two hyenas mating, hello kitty darth.... the best ever. Ciao Fred Taylor

California Uber Alles. Oh yeah go scouts boy and cub a great organization!

 

[9000ft]

To the OP: Never, ever question the standard orthodoxy of the CN forum LA haters. Never.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

No, the majority of the time it's refutted with naked trolling. Like this thread. The OP makes a good point about that.

It actually allows the 'fanboys' to believe the case that Armstrong had a medical programme is being peddled by hate filled trolls who don't care about the truth as long as they can smear someone. Often that is true.

Perhaps as a mod you should do more to try to help the anti Armstrong crowd address this PR problem.

You mentioned naked trolls.......not my thing, but here you go.

As for the OP - he asks 'Lance fans' to ignore what is written in these forums about his hero and to go to Lances Wiki page, which I assume has been carefully prepared by Lances lawyers and PR team at Public Strategies (Hey y'all!).........I can see why that would appeal to you.

 

[krebs303]

 

[BikeCentric]

To the OP: Never, ever question the standard orthodoxy of the CN forum LA haters. Never.

Don't be silly now. I for one still respect LA and used to be a fanboy but using my brain the preponderance of evidence tells me that he doped. This is simply logic.

Orthodoxy would be the continued worship of a false hero in LA.

 

[flicker]

You mentioned naked trolls.......not my thing, but here you go.

As for the OP - he asks 'Lance fans' to ignore what is written in these forums about his hero and to go to Lances Wiki page, which I assume has been carefully prepared by Lances lawyers and PR team at Public Strategies (Hey y'all!).........I can see why that would appeal to you.

The thing is wiki can be manipulated. I would never trust wiki.... I live in Monterey County and what you read about J. Boyers' conduct here or J. Travolta here or C. Eastwood here..... I can go on and on wiki is a good tool for high school reports but it is manipulated.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

To the OP: Never, ever question the standard orthodoxy of the CN forum LA haters. Never.

You missed the OPs sentiments - he said 'anti Lance haters' ......that means fans of Lance .....ie You.

Also its funny - you and Speedway are the only 2 posters I have read saying 'circle jerk'...

And interrupt the circle jerk when you guys are so close to the "summit" (if you know what I mean )

Great work Preemo. ....... You've created a thread that pushed them past their usual circle jerk!

...no idea what that really means, but maybe you guys should 'come' together?

 

[taiwan]

So that's where Kreuz was before Liquigas.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I don't know what this means, but I found it looking for lolcat pics.

This is a serious thread that discusses Wiki, Public Stategies, trolls and hyena's.

What the hell has a foto of some guy with one nut and a load of silly chicks with their mouths open - looking on in awe - got to do with Lance Armstrong?

 

[Ripper]

I've only ever disputed the gain it gave him over other riders doing much the same thing, and tried to put it in a rational context of the EPO era. And I'm not clear on when the blood doping ended, if it did. I'm by no means convinced that he doped last year, for instance. Even if he did it was marginal - showing again that he is a great rider.

I think some people hate that message - that he doped but deserved to win - more than they hate the "he never doped" case. They're quite happy to take on crazy fanboys claiming Lance is Jesus, but if you say he doped but is still rightfully the best of his time - plus back that up with an explanation of why you think that is - you're worse than a pedo.

They just want simple fanboys to play with.

Hmmmm, I think you thought I meant something else. I was referring to the other thing you were admitting to ...

 

[L29205]

This is a serious thread that discusses Wiki, Public Stategies, trolls and hyena's.

What the hell has a foto of some guy with one nut and a load of silly chicks with their mouths open - looking on in awe - got to do with Lance Armstrong?

LMFAO, always a great attention to detail there fine DR.

 

[krebs303]

This is a serious thread that discusses Wiki, Public Stategies, trolls and hyena's.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I don't know what this means, but I found it looking for lolcat pics.

How cute! Lord Pharmstrong is feeding his teammates Loopy Leecheimer, Chris Hornet and it seems Wonder Lance has come in for some fun!

Lance after the tour.

Amy could be lance's next baby where he could have number 6. imagine how that would turn out!

 

[Wallace]

Amy could be lance's next baby where he could have number 6. imagine how that would turn out!

Is that Amy Winehouse or Steven Tyler?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Is that Amy Winehouse or Steven Tyler?

Dang...... I thought that was Robert Millar.

 

[Ferminal]

When have you ever seen me deny it?

Obfuscating it is close enough.

Well done on making the thread about yourself, again... What a hero