taiwan said:
I'm sticking to what has been said. You're taking what has been said and making up a scenario which fits with it. Unless you were there, STFU about how it might have happened and lets look at the media reports. I haven't even put forward a scenario of my own for the crash: show me. I've just pointed to the suspicious aspects of the reports.
Are you serious?
You: It's a conspiracy!
Others: No, no, the riders themselves say it's ok.
You: I don't buy it!
Me: Well, considering what they said, it really fits with a likely scenario, whereas conspiracy scenarios are really out there.
You: Stop making things up (that do not fit with the conspiracy line)
I post a likely scenario that is fits both what we see, what the riders said and what is rather common (napping riders). Sure it is extrapolation of current data, but it sure is less extrapolation than just repeating that it is suspicious, simply because
it really isn't suspicious at all.
What you blatantly gloss over are the facts that:
- No rider came forward
- Riis doesn't come forward.
That's exaggerating. From the video he rolls off the road and only falls over when he bumps into a spectator. The crash itself didn't seem major: he was back on the bike quickly.
He is unclipped and hunched over his bars shooting out with at least 45 kph into a row of onlookers(speed of Peloton, conservatively estimated).
You REALLY think he has the time to analyze it right then and there? You are simply waving away anything that does not fit with your conspiracy.
Sorry, are you talking about the crash in question? Otherwise 'storytime' isn't that much help. Patronising.
Soooo... giving an example of real life similar occurences is invalid^^
Surely not because it doesn't fit with your threories?
And patronising? WTF? I'm telling an anecdote.. that can be off topic, irrelevant, exaggerated. But patronising? Did you look in the mirror when you typed that?
I wasn't speculating about why there were no domestiques there for him and I don't have an explanation - it wasn't the aspect I wanted to discuss really, I just found that odd.
And I explained it. Which once again you refuse to accept as it doesn't fit your worldview.
I'll maybe keep an eye out to see how many leaders on teams with noone else to ride for are left alone for 5 minutes after a crash, in or out of the cars.
You do that. I'll give you one: Vladimir Karpetz. in one of the earlier stages. If you want to see a protected rider; look at Taaramae (and laugh how the domestiques have zero value).
Also I'm not a philosopher, but I think logic deals in black and white, not the likelihood of one scenario over another in your own opinion. And did Contador actually say that or did you imagine it - again?
You are funny. So if I hit a colleague, it's not logical that the onlooking colleagues act on me? It's not black and white, so surely it has nothing to do with logic
But hey, you go with the idea that Riis hates AC and sets up his team against him, or that Riis is the worst DS ever. If that works for you, go with it.