What Happens Next?

[Tinman]

What happens next is that everyone needs to wake up there is no UCI complicity in the USADA file anywhere.

Not because it doesn't exist.

Because USADA is using this as a trump card up their sleeve to make UCI endorse the case. Or else.

But what happens when UCI does? We need the UCI complicity out in the open. Either through USADA affidavits, or through investigative journalism.

Only then can cycling be cleaned up. F**k LA. He's going to be yesterdays news soon enough. As exciting as this whole LA piece is, AND REQUIRED, and with all the other implicated teams & riders, We need to focus on UCI if we want cycling to "turn the corner"...

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

What happens next?

~ LA will continue to deny.
~ Some of his lawyers will quit or be fired.
~ The UCI will quietly accept USADA's ruling.
~ ASO will accept it as well.
~ McQuaid won't quit, but issue more "move forward, cycling is cleaner" statements.
~ The hearings against JB, Del Moral and Pepe will continue and reveal more.
~ The civil lawsuits will begin, and start a slow rot lasting years.
~ Lance will slowly go broke, maybe be pushed into bankruptcy.
~ The 15% who believe will still believe, and be vocal about it.
~ Nike will continue to support LA until sales show a drop.
~ Doping in the sport will continue, if more clandestine, and less overall.
~ The omertà won't be as strong, but won't go away.

 

[TubularBills]

What happens next?

~ LA will continue to deny.
~ Some of his lawyers will quit or be fired.
~ The UCI will quietly accept USADA's ruling.
~ ASO will accept it as well.
~ McQuaid won't quit, but issue more "move forward, cycling is cleaner" statements.
~ The hearings against JB, Del Moral and Pepe will continue and reveal more.
~ The civil lawsuits will begin, and start a slow rot lasting years.
~ Lance will slowly go broke, may be (or will be) pushed into bankruptcy.
~ The 15% who believe will still believe, and be vocal about it.
~ Nike will continue to support LA until sales show a drop.
~ Doping in the sport will continue, if more clandestine, and less overall.
~ The omertà won't be as strong, but won't go away.

i.e. Egg meet face.

(correct answer: D. All of the above.)*

* Unfortunately, results and money are involved.

 

[Sarcastic Wet Trout]

What happens next?

~ LA will continue to deny.
~ Some of his lawyers will quit or be fired.
~ The UCI will quietly accept USADA's ruling.
~ ASO will accept it as well.
~ McQuaid won't quit, but issue more "move forward, cycling is cleaner" statements.
~ The hearings against JB, Del Moral and Pepe will continue and reveal more.
~ The civil lawsuits will begin, and start a slow rot lasting years.
~ Lance will slowly go broke, maybe be pushed into bankruptcy.
~ The 15% who believe will still believe, and be vocal about it.
~ Nike will continue to support LA until sales show a drop.
~ Doping in the sport will continue, if more clandestine, and less overall.
~ The omertà won't be as strong, but won't go away.

I also think that the European peleton will consider it an 'American' problem, not theirs. It will have less influence than we hope.

 

[Agrajag]

I may have missed this, but what's likely to happen to Horner? Surely he doesn't get a get of out jail free card, but since this was all about LA, I'm not sure if anyone is going to do anything about him?

 

[pdluz7]

What happens next?

~ LA will continue to deny.
~ Some of his lawyers will quit or be fired.
~ The UCI will quietly accept USADA's ruling.
~ ASO will accept it as well.
~ McQuaid won't quit, but issue more "move forward, cycling is cleaner" statements.
~ The hearings against JB, Del Moral and Pepe will continue and reveal more.
~ The civil lawsuits will begin, and start a slow rot lasting years.
~ Lance will slowly go broke, maybe be pushed into bankruptcy.
~ The 15% who believe will still believe, and be vocal about it.
~ Nike will continue to support LA until sales show a drop.
~ Doping in the sport will continue, if more clandestine, and less overall.
~ The omertà won't be as strong, but won't go away.

The end. The story continues.......

 

[Tinman]

Agree almost entirely as the most likely outcome. HOWEVER

Would it not be nice if the Euro teams come clean.

Would it not be nice if the lid was lifted on UCI

Would it not be nice to see an all encompassing truth & reconciliation AFTER a change in UCI leadership.

Ergo: how can we do our bit to get us there?"

 

[Cloxxki]

I may have missed this, but what's likely to happen to Horner? Surely he doesn't get a get of out jail free card, but since this was all about LA, I'm not sure if anyone is going to do anything about him?

And Livingston.

 

[Murray]

What happens next is nothing. The show goes on. The people getting hit are retired or in the twilight of their career. Lance is 41. To the young riders coming up he and USPS are ancient history.

While it's great that the truth is coming out, I don't think it will change the future. As long as there is big $$ to be made people will cheat. It's not right, but it is what it is.

 

[TubularBills]

Agree almost entirely as the most likely outcome. HOWEVER

Would it not be nice if the Euro teams come clean.

Would it not be nice if the lid was lifted on UCI

Would it not be nice to see an all encompassing truth & reconciliation AFTER a change in UCI leadership.

Ergo: how can we do our bit to get us there?"

Great points.

Choice and a credible (funded) parallel league?

Great opportunity for Nike to do a Vick reversal and "Just Do It" for clean sport.

 

[Tinman]

Great points.

Choice and a credible (funded) parallel league?

Great opportunity for Nike to do a Vick reversal and "Just Do It" for clean sport.

Great Idea. And indeed a great opportunity. Maybe for Fox/BSkyB if they are truly serious about "clean"?

Sadly more likely that Team Lance is about to announce their new "Tri DopeStronger" series (you heard it here first), just looking at optimal timing with this minor set back...

 

[orangerider]

I may have missed this, but what's likely to happen to Horner? Surely he doesn't get a get of out jail free card, but since this was all about LA, I'm not sure if anyone is going to do anything about him?

Agreed, at the very least void his TOC title. One of his biggest wins of his career, and on American soil, only fitting for it to be taken away forever. Political pressure siding and pocketing corporate kickbacks may prevent this from happening, however.

 

[Zigster]

I suspect RadioShack is pulling out soon, maybe like tomorrow.

 

[ChrisE]

Agreed, at the very least void his TOC title. One of his biggest wins of his career, and on American soil, only fitting for it to be taken away forever. Political pressure siding and pocketing corporate kickbacks may prevent this from happening, however.

Did I miss something? I did not see him mentioned in the report.

 

[hfer07]

Lance will soon launch the must anticipated release of his memories called:

IF I DID IT

 

[oldschoolnik]

What happens next?

~ LA will continue to deny.
~ Some of his lawyers will quit or be fired.
~ The UCI will quietly accept USADA's ruling.
~ ASO will accept it as well.
~ McQuaid won't quit, but issue more "move forward, cycling is cleaner" statements.
~ The hearings against JB, Del Moral and Pepe will continue and reveal more.
~ The civil lawsuits will begin, and start a slow rot lasting years.
~ Lance will slowly go broke, maybe be pushed into bankruptcy.
~ The 15% who believe will still believe, and be vocal about it.
~ Nike will continue to support LA until sales show a drop.
~ Doping in the sport will continue, if more clandestine, and less overall.
~ The omertà won't be as strong, but won't go away.

There have been many references to Civil suits and other lawsuits but an article a few weeks ago that RR linked to said SCA probably won't go back and try and overturn that verdict and Times of London won't go back to overturn their suit either--so what are the lawsuits? LAnce has his sponsors who for some reason are sticking with him so at the end of this whole ordeal Lance still has $50 million in the bank? So F----ed up!

Please tell me about likely lawsuits!

 

[keeponrollin]

I don't think this will just slide by. The tentacles reach too far this time, & too many people have axes to grind, to just let LA, USPS & the UCI walk away pretending everything is done & dusted.

1st. As I pointed out in the other thread; a number of the witnesses claim they were clean after 2006; my guess is they did this to avoid prosecution. Now LA is in a position to discredit them & maybe grab a deal for himself ? LA doesn't seem to me to be the forgiving type ...

2nd. LA has repeatedly used lawyers to threaten people & businesses who, as we now know, told the truth about his doping. Do you think they're all going to just say, forgive & forget, & not go after him to, at the very least, get their reputation restored & maybe their damages back ?

3rd. There's the minor matter of all that prize money to be returned; & God knows how much sponsorship money which was contractually tied to 'clean' records.

4th. Pretty much everything Kimmage & Landis said is now a matter of public record, or we can strongly suspect that the unconfirmed bits, are in the missing 800+ pages. Do you think Paul & Floyd will be happy to be maligned by the dou*hb*gs running the UCI ?

A lot of people on here & elsewhere keep on bringing up the omerta we see in Professional Cycling about doping; but seem to forget what eventually happens when someone cracks & talks. The rest of the rats now have to fight to make sure they aren't the last rat standing, & even the last rat will do everything they can to have a bite at the other rats. Omerta makes Super Grasses !

This is only the beginning. I just hope at the end their is Professional Cycling that any worthwhile sponsor will touch with a 20ft barge pole.

 

[Big Daddy]

Yeah, that lawsuit against Paul Kimmage is really going to backfire against McQuaid. Not looking good for the UCI.

 

[Random Direction]

More likely Pat will booze up on the Chinese rice wine in Beijing, get caught with his knickers down in a compromising situation and be blackmailed to no end.

That and a qui tam suit.

And the real story about the Tour of Beetroot Juice where a 'clean' Levi, Horner and a new RS domestique rode away from a field that was standing still.

btw - Michael B, why did you lie to your family? Perhaps a further apology is needed, with details of what you doped, when. An apology to Canadians would also be helpful. We like those.

 

[sartain]

I suspect RadioShack is pulling out soon, maybe like tomorrow.

They really need to, because they have far more troubling corporate issues to be dealing with — like trying to figure how to save their company in these changing times where they are basically irrelevant — than having to manage this PR nightmare!

And since the CEO stepped down last week and their former CMO (clown) flew the coupe back in March, there is really no one left there that has any interest in sponsoring a cycling team with the toxic baggage of RS.

 

[S2Sturges]

What happens next?

~ LA will continue to deny.
~ Some of his lawyers will quit or be fired.
~ The UCI will quietly accept USADA's ruling.
~ ASO will accept it as well.
~ McQuaid won't quit, but issue more "move forward, cycling is cleaner" statements.
~ The hearings against JB, Del Moral and Pepe will continue and reveal more.
~ The civil lawsuits will begin, and start a slow rot lasting years.
~ Lance will slowly go broke, maybe be pushed into bankruptcy.
~ The 15% who believe will still believe, and be vocal about it.
~ Nike will continue to support LA until sales show a drop.
~ Doping in the sport will continue, if more clandestine, and less overall.
~ The omertà won't be as strong, but won't go away.

* LA will deny to his last breath, unless he stands to make more money than he'll stand to lose.
* I reckon half of his legal team will quit, they know he's mal carne (bad meat)
*McQuaid will make plenty of those noises, but I think he'll end up having to fall on his sword, once more tangible connections are made..
* JB I think will seek immunity from further prosecution by making a deal, and will drop major bombs all over LA and Ferrari...
* Lance will never go broke, Livestrong makes him plenty of dosh still, he'll be up there in his private jet... If SCA and Lloyds aren't interested in going after him for fraudulent claims, plus I doubt if Tailwind or whatever other companies he owns or us involved in has any money to pay out.. He's got the best in the legal and accounting business..
* Sure, and those rabid misguided people will blame LeMond for everything, or Big Bird, he's in the news these days..
* Right about Nike, once the sales go out and can be attributed anything concerning LA, he's gone.. But, as Alice Cooper once said 'any publicity is better than no publicity"..
* In another few years, doping will be so sophisticated it will be impossible to detect, we're talking gene manipulation and such.. already there are dubious results but I won't go into the present team in black .
* It's part of the tribe or pack mentality, not to spit in the soup, not to means to be ostracised, not one of them.. it's a sad fact of a team sport..

 

[Robert21]

The governments in western countries need to make it a criminal offence to dope with huge fines.

That has been the case in France since the days of Festina, with jail terms also being a possibility.

Isn't it the case that doping, in itself, is still not illegal in the USA?

 

[Tinman]

Big Elephant in the Room:

Why didn't Lance test positive in all those years?

 

[skidmark]

Cyclingnews.com headline- "Barry apologizes for doping". What I'd like to see happen next is a rider apologizing for doping BEFORE he gets caught. Mike, you're not sorry that you doped, you're sorry you got caught. Just maybe fans aren't as dumb as you seem to think they are.
Otherwise, yeah it seems like there could be a lot of civil lawsuits coming along. I want to see Scumstrong hounded and haunted to the point of insanity. For a sociopath like that I don't think it will be a long journey.

Err, when did Barry get caught for doping? Not disagreeing with you that he's not really sorry, but I only see a situation that he came forward, to a body which he's not governed by, and told the truth about doping long after it happened. How many of his teammates didn't come forward? He did not get caught, is all I'm saying.

 

[rhubroma]

If things continue to shake out today as they certainly look like they will, most especially the Hincapie confession, where will the fallout end?

By that I mean was there political pressure causing U.S. Attorney Andre Birotte Jr. to drop the USPS fraud case? It looks like this case should have gone to trial. And what about Trek, where do they fit in this whole sordid mess? It looks clear that they protected and supported LA to the point of wiping Lemond cycles from the marketplace.

Maybe there will be a slew of civil suits to follow.

It seems there was, because (and I can’t remember the name of the Californian politician, a woman, that had authority over the fed case) the Livestrong foundation (which means using money from donors) made a huge payment to the said politician, which she needed to get reelected on the fight against cancer policy, who then pressured Birotte to inexplicably drop the case against LA.