What if Contador gets the Giro taken away. Would you still see him as the winner.

[The Hitch]

Seeing as some fans tried to hit Contador and one of them held a steak in front of him it's pretty clear that they're booing him for both his doping case and the Mt. Crostis.

Umm one fan had a steak. We dont even know if the guy was Italian. It doesnt mean he spoke for the whole crowd.

Its unlikely that they were booing him for doping considering last year the place had a hundred Basso posters and people screaming "Ivan Ivan" as he crossed the line.

 

[boomcie]

Umm one fan had a steak. We dont even know if the guy was Italian. It doesnt mean he spoke for the whole crowd.

Its unlikely that they were booing him for doping considering last year the place had a hundred Basso posters and people screaming "Ivan Ivan" as he crossed the line.

I think you're right, but the Basso example is seriously flawed because of the small detail that he is Italian.

 

[El Pistolero]

Umm one fan had a steak. We dont even know if the guy was Italian. It doesnt mean he spoke for the whole crowd.

Its unlikely that they were booing him for doping considering last year the place had a hundred Basso posters and people screaming "Ivan Ivan" as he crossed the line.

Seeing as we can't read the mind of a million tifosi, I'm just guessing they were booing for the exclusion of the Crostis, for his doping case, and because he was owning the Giro.

A combination of these elements. Perhaps Crostis was the spreekwoordelijke druppel die de emmer water liet overlopen.

There were also fans with gigantic needles and they were holding them against Contador. So no, it wasn't just one fan.

This Ivan Basso, is he Russian?

 

[Angliru]

Seeing as we can't read the mind of a million tifosi, I'm just guessing they were booing for the exclusion of the Crostis, for his doping case, and because he was owning the Giro.

A combination of these elements. Perhaps Crostis was the spreekwoordelijke druppel die de emmer water liet overlopen.

There were also fans with gigantic needles and they were holding them against Contador. So no, it wasn't just one fan.

This Ivan Basso, is he Russian?

Using your bolded statement, what makes your guess any more accurate than the opposing one?

 

[AussieGoddess]

In general I agree with those who say that if he is found guilty in the CAS .. he should lose the 2010 Tour, but keep the races he has won since his return .... and the time should be the ban, less time served.

On the other hand though - is the knowledge that the benefits of doping last for more than 1 race.

If he used PED's to build before the Tour ... he is still reaping the benefits of using those PED's in winning the other races he has competed in since. (Even though the benefits of clen would be well past, many PED's have long term benefits)

I dunno. A bit on the fence.

 

[El Pistolero]

Using your bolded statement, what makes your guess any more accurate than the opposing one?

Because there's usually(e.i always) more explanations for something than only one.

It's like saying the death of Fransz Ferdinand caused World War I (hyperbole)

 

[MisterX]

I really hope that they don't take away the Giro win from Contador. For some reason I just can't see Scarponi as a GT winner. There are some huge question marks over him as well(IMO).

 

[rhubroma]

To me the argument is silly, because it's likely that the majority of the peleton isn't riding on bread and water alone.

Any rider that has had a title taken away from him over the last 60 years in the sport for doping, after the fact, can not leave us satisafied at all that the runner up is a totally clean "winner." Not only, in fact one would likely have to go back pretty deep in th field to find the pure one.

The question we need to be asking ourselves is that in a hypothetically clean field would Contador still be the winner? Or is his doping giving him an unfair edge over his doped competitors? Perhaps more fundimentally, then, is his a real talent above the others, or only the fruit of chemicals? These are also the same questions we should ask of any grand tour winner of late, especially over the last 20 years since EPO hit the peleton.

I have my own answer to this, however I leave it up to each to decide for himself.

While I'd like to see the sport be rid of doping as much as the next guy, the inescapable reality of the culture of the sport necessitates a different criteria to pass judgment, than the mere black and white one we currently have in an anti-doping system that is far, far, from perfect (which means there are still lots of dopers getting away with it frankly).

On the other hand, for the record, if the title is taken from him he is officially not the winner, however hypocritical that may or may not be. While everyone must accept the consequences of their own actions.

 

[PedalCastro]

No, Contador should not be the winner. I'm sorry but cheating is cheating people and he should not be decorated if found guilty. The argument that others are doing it too doesnt cut it for me, maybe they are but many did not test positive ever and so we shouldnt decide for sure without solid evidence, we cant presume they are doping just because a lot of riders have been caught. I believe in life time bans for clear cut doping cases so Scarponi shouldnt even of ridden in my eyes

 

[El Pistolero]

No, Contador should not be the winner. I'm sorry but cheating is cheating people and he should not be decorated if found guilty. The argument that others are doing it too doesnt cut it for me, maybe they are but many did not test positive ever and so we shouldnt decide for sure without solid evidence, we cant presume they are doping just because a lot of riders have been caught. I believe in life time bans for clear cut doping cases so Scarponi shouldnt even of ridden in my eyes

Ah, so Nibali won

Millions of people saw Contador winning. It's all that matters.

 

[RedheadDane]

To me the argument is silly, because it's likely that the majority of the peleton isn't riding on bread and water alone.

Of course not! In fact I'd say they're mostly riding on sugar, pasta and chicken But not Chicken, that would be cannibalism...

No, Contador should not be the winner. I'm sorry but cheating is cheating people and he should not be decorated if found guilty. The argument that others are doing it too doesnt cut it for me, maybe they are but many did not test positive ever and so we shouldnt decide for sure without solid evidence, we cant presume they are doping just because a lot of riders have been caught. I believe in life time bans for clear cut doping cases so Scarponi shouldnt even of ridden in my eyes

But he [Contador] hasn't tested positive for anything in the 2011 season (that we know of) if he does I, as already mentioned, of course think his wins should be cleared. But 2010 Tour =/= 2011 Giro.
As for being banned for life, well; I believe everyone deserves a second chance. Athletes are only human, they make mistakes and, most of them regret it.

 

[rzombie1988]

Alberterol may set a record if he wins this year's TdF then has 3 seperate GT wins taken away from him.

 

[jens_attacks]

alberterol lol...people are so smart nowadays!where do you get those funny nicknames?absolutely hilarious!you rock the internet!

alberto won it.get over it.nope,you can't.
so....
hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate

 

[PedalCastro]

Millions of people saw Contador lie to them after TdF too!

 

[jobiwan]

I'm starting to change my opinion, I originally voted the 2nd option, but if he was allowed to race this Giro and he won it clean, then let him have it.

 

[rhubroma]

No, Contador should not be the winner. I'm sorry but cheating is cheating people and he should not be decorated if found guilty. The argument that others are doing it too doesnt cut it for me, maybe they are but many did not test positive ever and so we shouldnt decide for sure without solid evidence, we cant presume they are doping just because a lot of riders have been caught. I believe in life time bans for clear cut doping cases so Scarponi shouldnt even of ridden in my eyes

Hate to break it to you, but this is utterly ridiculous. The tests are about as reliable as the riders' words. The widespread recourse to doping is well know to all but those with there eyes shut.

I will agree with those that say Contador should not have been at the start, however, that he was means that his win is as "legitimate" as the guy's performance who finished 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th.......35th, 37th, etc.