What is Jack Bobridge on?

[Ferminal]

Who else is ****ed off they scratched this from the Olympics?

Yes, perhaps the question is... "What was McQuaid on when he decided on the changes to the track program".

 

[Yeahright]

Phenomenal ride by JB, hate to say it but the Aussies are producing some fantastic talent through the AIS. Wish we had something similar in NZ. Always baffled me why Bike NZ kept sending young teams to Europe like lambs to the slaughter, not to mention the cost. Makes far more sense to establish a base in SA or Vic and have them race against the top Aussie juniors. If they can show they have what it takes there then send them to Europe.

 

[VanceNichols]

He is a phenomenal talent, plain and simple. How many other true talents have tried to beat Boardman's record?

 

[mad black]

Most of you guys and especially whoever started this thread are pathetic. Can't you simply admire a performance? You are know-it-alls that post enormous accusations as if they were fact without knowing anything about the rider, his history or the performance.

JB posted this time fair and square there is not the slightest indication to suggest otherwise. He's on some of the best material, in top form thanks to the Aus nationals and the TDU, and simply had perfect conditions on the day.

Jack, I congratulate you. Well done!

 

[delbified]

we could save ourselves a lot of typing in this forum by setting up an RSS feed to post topics "what is XXXXX on?" and just automatically inserting the name of whoever wins an event that day.

 

[Ferminal]

Most of you guys and especially whoever started this thread are pathetic. Can't you simply admire a performance? You are know-it-alls that post enormous accusations as if they were fact without knowing anything about the rider, his history or the performance.

"Most of you guys"

Maybe 2-3 people in the whole thread have vaguely suggested PED use, in fact those that do are only joking, so I'm not sure anyone has genuinely suggested it.

I disagree with them too - but it doesn't mean I should ruin the discussion and have a cry about other posters like these two posts above me have done.

 

[Hugh Januss]

"Most of you guys"

Maybe 2-3 people in the whole thread have vaguely suggested PED use, in fact those that do are only joking, so I'm not sure anyone has genuinely suggested it.

I disagree with them too - but it doesn't mean I should ruin the discussion and have a cry about other posters like these two posts above me have done.

Yes but to be fair that is mostly all they do, so they have consistency on their side anyway.

 

[mad black]

Boardman used superman position; Bobridge beats his time using a standard position. Unbelievable. What's in Garmin's suitcase of courage?

JV has some more explaining to do...

Boardman called it phenomenal, which usually means a juice of sorts

In my best Lance voice:

"He's on his bike, seven hours a day. What are you on?"

Anyone here old enough to remember the track conditions in Moscow in the late 80s?

They had the ventilators turned to the direction of travel, but would only turn them on for the Soviets... Small advantage, LOTS of world records.

In track the conditions make a HUGE difference. This is far different than the world of road racing. One guy, one bike, one track (or maybe two tracks, if you're a local), and pin it...

Maybe buddy did it unaided, maybe he was as lucky as Boardman feels he was (in regards to meteorogical conditions), maybe the fluke of timing really makes a difference...

I'll stay mum until something comes up, he is one of JV's boys afterall...

or maybe their PED dealer just recently visited town

on the juice or not, he's going to be a threat in the classics over the next few years.

"Most of you guys"

Maybe 2-3 people in the whole thread have vaguely suggested PED use, in fact those that do are only joking, so I'm not sure anyone has genuinely suggested it.

I disagree with them too - but it doesn't mean I should ruin the discussion and have a cry about other posters like these two posts above me have done.

The mere fact that we're discussing this in the clinic is ridiculus but also evidence that people ARE in fact genuinely suggesting it. By the way I count at least 6 - admittedly it's not "Most of you" and I apologise if I offended anyone.

Having a cry??? Well, maybe I'm just a bit worked up about some of the condescending posts in a few other threads I skimmed over before. My apologies fo that, too.

 

[delbified]

i feel compelled to point out that the post of mine you quoted does not suggest he is juiced.

 

[hubbard]

aussie bashing. standard practice on here.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Fast track, warm dry and humid. Perfect conditions.

Id like to see Bobridge get that time on a wet cold afternoon in Manchester.

Well was Boardman 's record done in wet conditions? If so then the advantage of the conditions would of been nullified somewhat because of the restrictions in the position.

 

[Boeing]

Well was Boardman 's record done in wet conditions? If so then the advantage of the conditions would of been nullified somewhat because of the restrictions in the position.

I doesn't rain in doors friend but it is damp and dense air

speaking of dense...uhh errr never mind

 

[auscyclefan94]

I doesn't rain in doors friend but it is damp and dense air

speaking of dense...uhh errr never mind

sorry, I meant humid.

 

[Hugh Januss]

aussie bashing. standard practice on here.

Well was Boardman 's record done in wet conditions? If so then the advantage of the conditions would of been nullified somewhat because of the restrictions in the position.

Sometimes with good reason.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Sometimes with good reason.

Yes you have good reason to bash someone because they made a mistake. Good work Moron!

 

[Hugh Januss]

Yes you have good reason to bash someone because they made a mistake. Good work Moron!

 

[NickBVK]

So what are you saying? The conditions weren't ideal and you are not surprise that Bobridge broke the record anyway?

So what are you saying? That it is impossible for this to occur and I am a fool for believing what I saw was a clean performance?

 

[andy1234]

So what are you saying? That it is impossible for this to occur and I am a fool for believing what I saw was a clean performance?

No, not at all.

Your post implied that nobody should be surprised that the record had been broken AND that conditions were not ideal.
I was asking if I understood you correctly?

That particular record has stood for 15 years for a good reason, it was an incredible ride. For someone to take that record in the standard position is a truly phenomenal performance. For someone to beat the conventional position record by 4 seconds is jaw dropping.

I was just surprised to hear you downplay the impact of the performance and suggest that conditions were less than ideal.

By the way, i am not questioning if Bobridge is clean, Im just commenting on the performance.

 

[warrior4life]

I'm not sure he did anything illegal but there are substances out there that aren't banned that weren't around in 96.
New things to make people perform better are being developed all the the time.

The amount of time the old record on a non superman bike was broken by is what makes it hard understand...

I would think t's a combination of great rider, Great conditions and great sports supplements.

Does anybody know how much the record has been increased by each time its been broken? And what where the conditions like in Beijing in 08.

It could be a fast track but also there are 2 Australians who've broken the record in a day, It always amazes me when one country dominates, I honestly never know if its a good sign or a bad.

 

[M Sport]

Does anybody know how much the record has been increased by each time its been broken? And what where the conditions like in Beijing in 08.

Can't answer all of your question but here is the current top 11 times.

FASTEST 4,000M INDIVIDUAL PURSUIT TIMES
4-10.534 World record
Jack Bobridge (Australia)
Sydney, Australian National Track Championships 2011


4-11.114*

Chris Boardman (Great Britain)

Manchester, World Championships final 1996



4-13.353*

Chris Boardman (Great Britain)

Manchester, World Championships 1996


4-13.399
Rohan Dennis (Australia)
Sydney, Australian National Track Championships 2011

4-14-427
Jack Bobridge (Australia)
Adelaide, Australian National Track Championships qualifying 2010

4-14.845
Jack Bobridge (Australia) Commonwealth Games record
Delhi, Commonwealth Games qualifying, Oct 5, 2010

4-15.015

Geraint Thomas (Great Britain)

Manchester, World Cup, October 2009



4-15.031

Bradley Wiggins (Great Britain)

Beijing, Olympic Games qualifying, August 2008



4-15.160

Taylor Phinney (USA)

Pruszkow, Poland, World Championships, March 2009



4-15.165

Bradley Wiggins (Great Britain)

Athens, Olympic Games qualifying, August 2004



4-15.223

Taylor Phinney (USA)

Copenhagen, World Cup, February 2009

* Set using the Superman position, which has been banned

I think the fact Bobridge has 3 of the top 6 times says a lot.

And just an aside. The best conditions for a bike and rider cutting through the air .... are not the best conditions to breath and get the maximum amount of air in your lungs.

 

[movingtarget]

As others have noted, records rarely stand for 15 years in any sport. Hard work and talent go a long way plus more advanced training methods and technology etc............Why would Boardman's use of the word "phenomenal" indicate that he thought Bobridge was doping ? That's a pretty big assumption. I get the feeling that some people on here are basically drooling over the chance to accuse someone else of doping. If only the racing attracted as much interest on here as the potential for doping.

 

[Roninho]

If you want a rider with a reputation for being clean, Boardman is right up there with Bassons...

Yes, he has a good reputation, but i certainly wouldn't put him up there with Bassons. In the end the guy was the best prologue rider & a very good time trialist in the epo-era, and wasn't to shabby in the mountains as well (a bunch of top 15-20 finishes in mountain stages). That does't mean he doped, but if i have to put money on someone being clean i pick Bassons way over Boardman.

 

[ttrider]

Frankly if Cancellara did this we would be looking at 4:08 i would have thought, i really think Bobridge should focus on being a pure tt man hes got the potential that is for sure, he looks so powerful on the bike

 

[warrior4life]

I don't think sports supplementation can be overlooked in any way, I'm sure they are on a very advanced programme of legal supplements, It's been the same way for years.
Just like advances in bike technology and peaking for events.

I can go into Holland and Barrett and buy a Nitric stimulant that will give me a stronger boost than ephidrine or anything that I could have bought from a high street health shop 10-15 yrs ago.
I've worked in gyms for a long time and it's pretty incredible when you see the effects some of the new supplements have.
I'm not saying he used drugs, Just that this is another thing to look at, Advancements in all areas.

I never realized he had so many of the recent records, I dont follow track cycling that closely but I always thought Phinney was the next big thing.

 

[ultimobici]

Originally Posted by Willy_Voet
Boardman used superman position; Bobridge beats his time using a standard position. Unbelievable. What's in Garmin's suitcase of courage?

JV has some more explaining to do...

Originally Posted by Benotti69
Boardman called it phenomenal, which usually means a juice of sorts

Originally Posted by Colm.Murphy
In my best Lance voice:

"He's on his bike, seven hours a day. What are you on?"

Originally Posted by JMBeaushrimp
Anyone here old enough to remember the track conditions in Moscow in the late 80s?

They had the ventilators turned to the direction of travel, but would only turn them on for the Soviets... Small advantage, LOTS of world records.

In track the conditions make a HUGE difference. This is far different than the world of road racing. One guy, one bike, one track (or maybe two tracks, if you're a local), and pin it...

Maybe buddy did it unaided, maybe he was as lucky as Boardman feels he was (in regards to meteorogical conditions), maybe the fluke of timing really makes a difference...

I'll stay mum until something comes up, he is one of JV's boys afterall...

Originally Posted by Kender
or maybe their PED dealer just recently visited town

Originally Posted by delbified
on the juice or not, he's going to be a threat in the classics over the next few years.

Originally Posted by Ferminal
"Most of you guys"

Maybe 2-3 people in the whole thread have vaguely suggested PED use, in fact those that do are only joking, so I'm not sure anyone has genuinely suggested it.

I disagree with them too - but it doesn't mean I should ruin the discussion and have a cry about other posters like these two posts above me have done.
The mere fact that we're discussing this in the clinic is ridiculus but also evidence that people ARE in fact genuinely suggesting it. By the way I count at least 6 - admittedly it's not "Most of you" and I apologise if I offended anyone.

Having a cry??? Well, maybe I'm just a bit worked up about some of the condescending posts in a few other threads I skimmed over before. My apologies fo that, too.

I think you need to read people's posts properly and not jump to conclusions about their intent. It is obvious that several of the above quotes are either not suggesting doping or actually poking fun at the very suggestion. I've highlighted the one's that are obvious for you.

As JMB posted, the track can be a major factor - much more than on the road - as was the case in Moscow. But he also reserves judgement for the reason of doubt about Garmin & JV in the light of recent events. How many times have we seen a rider surpass a prior limit or record only to find 10 years later that it was achieved nefariously? That's the unfortunate fact of life in the cycling world - one cannot believe wholeheartedly in any performance - we've been burned before.