What is wrong with Tinkov?

[Mr.White]

Well I remember Russia before Putin, that was a disaster. He bring Russia back, as one of the main players on the political scene. He has nothing in common with Tinkoff, who's more like D.Trump as one of the posters said

 

[phanatic]

He is like Putin, and Sagan is like Assad, and Majka is like Assange, and next year's Tour is like Crimea.

 

[railxmig]

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Well I remember Russia before Putin, that was a disaster. He bring Russia back, as one of the main players on the political scene. He has nothing in common with Tinkoff, who's more like D.Trump as one of the posters said

I know I should not discuss politics as i don't have any academic nor basic knowledge on this subject and my knowledge of current world's politics and economics is very outdated, but i know that being one of the main players on the political scene isn't that relevant to country's well-being. The first thing you check and work on for country's health is economics. If every people have enough money for the metaphoric bread and some savings for bad times or just pleasures and if they have a job that they are not worried to lose then you could say that he bring Russia back.

You said yourself that he brought Russia back and I have hard time to believe You unless Russia is on verge of having a totalitarian system. If that's right then it's kinda risky to give the country's biggest responsibility to just one person. I'm not stating that totalitarism is good or bad, but history wasn't kind of totalitaric or autoritarian systems and history allways has the point. If people in Russia are happy enough with their lives, wealth and have enough faith in this one person then they have the rights to stay with current political system.

This one person is Putin. I obviously don't know him privately but he is basically a celebrity and you can allways bring outt something from the celebrities behaviour in public. Vladimir seems to have some mansions from his or country's pocket, is very posterous guy (likes to have photos in 'macho' situations) and seems to like the old-fashioned way of incereasing the country's well-being by teritorialism and combativity. That's what I know about him, I don't know if those characteristics are closer to truth or lie that's why I don't judge him as a person. I can however judge what seems his fervor to power. I don't think war & generally combat is the way of well-being in today's world.

Every bigger concern is crucial in country's economical state. Those concerns are basically universal and have their agencies all over the world. A war with basically most of the countries in the world would be IMO strategically a blunder as those concerns would obviously shut down their production, equals money, in the attacking country. More than regular of the country's savings would go to army making regular people suffer for comparitively no gains. I think there are better ways of incereasing country's wealth and suppremacy. China decided to go for economical influence and passively gain the world's influence, thanks to that their their harsh totalitarism and Tibet problem is only limited to mere protests. USA was going the same way before they kinda changed to develop by the ilussion of frendship with other countries and thanks to than their NSA and the Wikileaks outburst was answered only by a slap in the hand. CCCP and Hitler at the beginning decided to try to have influence in other countries government and just to make wise political decisions before they went on war path.

Still I'm worried I'm acting here as a Chamberlain... The influence of concerns in the world is worrying too. I'm not sure if I can trust them, they seem kinda dodgy. Still I think I'm missing something important here or maybe it's just my grasp on english - obviously it's not my first language.

Back to the topic, Tinkov is hmm... I of course don't know him personally. His only job is to make money. If his income is at least stable then he's doing his job well enough. If his eccentric behavoiur has no influence to his income then I guess he has all the rights to behave in such way.

 

[Flyjin3]

Tinkov, like Tapie a few decades ago, is using cycling as a platform for his own marketing. He wants the attention, and he wants fame in (and outside of) his country. He doesn't want to be another unknown rich Russian guy. But unlike the '80s Tapie, he can't help running his foul mouth and showing his ugly side. Tapie was as big a bully as Oleg is, but he was careful to protect his image. Not so much for Tinkov: he came into cycling, and quickly showed his true colors. He's arrogant, disrespectful, he's a whiner, and he has become a nuisance to the sport. He made many enemies: cycling wants him out. And since he doesn't get his way, he now wants out. But not until he destroys everything around him. Douchebag is definitely an accurate word to describe Oleg Tinkov.

The best posting about Tinkov so far yet

I agree with everything you say

 

[personal]

I find his openness refreshing. I am sure it can be unpleasant, but so what. Political correctness so prevalent in western public is much worse if you ask me.

 

[Brullnux]

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I find his openness refreshing. I am sure it can be unpleasant, but so what. Political correctness so prevalent in western public is much worse if you ask me.

omg would everyone just stop with this baseless complaining about political correctness? Would you (everyone who complains about people being PC) really rather someone is just saying racist/homophobic/sexist than being nice to people not like him? So insulting people is better than being nice to them you are saying. Being PC is more or less being polite to people of other cultures/sexes/races/sexuality. If you (everyone who doesn't like PC people) don't like being people being polite then...

 

[StryderHells]

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I find his openness refreshing. I am sure it can be unpleasant, but so what. Political correctness so prevalent in western public is much worse if you ask me.

omg would everyone just stop with this baseless complaining about political correctness? Would you (everyone who complains about people being PC) really rather someone is just saying racist/homophobic/sexist than being nice to people not like him? So insulting people is better than being nice to them you are saying. Being PC is more or less being polite to people of other cultures/sexes/races/sexuality. If you (everyone who doesn't like PC people) don't like being people being polite then...

Pretty much what I came here to post but I wouldn't of done it as well as this! Well said

 

[personal]

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I find his openness refreshing. I am sure it can be unpleasant, but so what. Political correctness so prevalent in western public is much worse if you ask me.

omg would everyone just stop with this baseless complaining about political correctness? Would you (everyone who complains about people being PC) really rather someone is just saying racist/homophobic/sexist than being nice to people not like him? So insulting people is better than being nice to them you are saying. Being PC is more or less being polite to people of other cultures/sexes/races/sexuality. If you (everyone who doesn't like PC people) don't like being people being polite then...

Pretty much what I came here to post but I wouldn't of done it as well as this! Well said

Politeness is one thing, but PC is another.
Hypersensitivity and victim complexes of some people/groups are turning whole societies to intellectual dishonesty and infantile whining.
If truth hurts you, you need to grow up.

 

[StryderHells]

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I find his openness refreshing. I am sure it can be unpleasant, but so what. Political correctness so prevalent in western public is much worse if you ask me.

omg would everyone just stop with this baseless complaining about political correctness? Would you (everyone who complains about people being PC) really rather someone is just saying racist/homophobic/sexist than being nice to people not like him? So insulting people is better than being nice to them you are saying. Being PC is more or less being polite to people of other cultures/sexes/races/sexuality. If you (everyone who doesn't like PC people) don't like being people being polite then...

Pretty much what I came here to post but I wouldn't of done it as well as this! Well said

Politeness is one thing, but PC is another.
Hypersensitivity and victim complexes of some people/groups are turning whole societies to intellectual dishonesty and infantile whining.
If truth hurts you, you need to grow up.

The truth really isn't that simple to define. I can't argue that "PC" goes to far but that goes for pretty much everything, the whole victim complexe, intellectual dishonesty that you talk about is a minority when compared to what Political Correctness has achieved...
Anyway back on topic, Oleg is a ***

 

[The Hitch]

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Surely the question should be: What is right with Tinkov?

The wing of his political views, I suspect.

 

[The Hitch]

Re Tinkov and Putin, Tinkov was interviewed by Bloomberg about 6 months ago, about his advice for the world and his politics etc. Seemed a bit more sane than usual (compared to his twitter account) though not all the way through (said Berto would win all 3 gts). But anyway, very supportive of Putin in that interview.

 

[personal]

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I find his openness refreshing. I am sure it can be unpleasant, but so what. Political correctness so prevalent in western public is much worse if you ask me.

omg would everyone just stop with this baseless complaining about political correctness? Would you (everyone who complains about people being PC) really rather someone is just saying racist/homophobic/sexist than being nice to people not like him? So insulting people is better than being nice to them you are saying. Being PC is more or less being polite to people of other cultures/sexes/races/sexuality. If you (everyone who doesn't like PC people) don't like being people being polite then...

Pretty much what I came here to post but I wouldn't of done it as well as this! Well said

Politeness is one thing, but PC is another.
Hypersensitivity and victim complexes of some people/groups are turning whole societies to intellectual dishonesty and infantile whining.
If truth hurts you, you need to grow up.

The truth really isn't that simple to define. I can't argue that "PC" goes to far but that goes for pretty much everything, the whole victim complexe, intellectual dishonesty that you talk about is a minority when compared to what Political Correctness has achieved...
Anyway back on topic, Oleg is a *****

Calling someone you don't really know a **** is polite? And PC? Or what? A truth? An opinion?

 

[The Hitch]

I remember this gem from wankmeister

In addition to boycotting the Tour, we’d appreciate it if Oleg Dickov would just boycott cycling and go back to making usurious payday loans to poor people. Oh, wait, he never stopped …

https://pvcycling.wordpress.com/category/pro-crap/

 

[TourOfSardinia]

The end is nigh:
Tinkov: "I'll leave Cycling at the end of 2016"

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exclusive-tinkov-to-leave-cycling-after-2016-season

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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The end is nigh:
Tinkov: "I'll leave Cycling at the end of 2016"

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exclusive-tinkov-to-leave-cycling-after-2016-season

As hypocritical as Tinkov is, I do have a hope though, that maybe it will make certain riders on the team perform up to their level, unlike this year, for 2017 contractual reasons.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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He'll destroy the team with his leadership, and then he'll sell it.

Dreamscenario would be that Riis buys the team back this year of course, but a least next year, and then make Contador ride for another year.

Today La Gazzetta reported that there are rumours about uncle Fester buying the team back next year, in that case Saxo Bank would also return.

I always thought that Brailsford was/looked like Uncle Fester.

Maybe, but Riis has that strange smile that always reminds me of uncle fester.

You crack me up dude

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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Took the opportunity to read up on what Saxo Bank actually do and was prepared to adopt a sympathetic position, then stumbled upon this:

Saxo promotes a vision of individual responsibility free from government intrusion. The firm hands out copies of "Atlas Shrugged," Ayn Rand ’s hymn to individualism and capitalism, to employees and clients. It offers a free copy of the Danish translation of the novel to anyone who fills out a form on its website.

Atlas Shrugged? dear oh dear

The Saxo Bank owners are pieces of work, no better than Tinkoff, just slicker - more polished.

They got rich by selling high risk stock options to amateur investors, with a hefty 20 % commission (normally 0,5-0,75 % in a bank), and managed to close shop, shortly before the danish police raided the entire industry and started putting people in jail.... then they used the money to fund the Saxo Bank venture.

They are also large scale backers of the danish ultraliberal party.

But hey, we all know cycling is rotten, so obviously it attracts rotten businessmen

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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The end is nigh:
Tinkov: "I'll leave Cycling at the end of 2016"

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exclusive-tinkov-to-leave-cycling-after-2016-season

This makes me happy

We will get another season of insanity, which will now be amplified because he knows he is leaving - I suspect it will be highly entertaining-

And then, things can get back to normal.

 

[Sciocco]

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The end is nigh:
Tinkov: "I'll leave Cycling at the end of 2016"

A real shame, hopefully Contador wins the Tour in Tinkov's last year.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

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The end is nigh:
Tinkov: "I'll leave Cycling at the end of 2016"

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exclusive-tinkov-to-leave-cycling-after-2016-season

This is the best news from 2015.
Bye Bye Tinkov.

 

[Wattie]

Probably the best news for cycling in some time. Tinkov is quitting essentially because the sport could not be bullied into behaving as his own personal plaything. He is another example of someone who believes that his wealth should entitle him to dictate the terms of anything he chooses to involve himself in. Sadly too much of the world does operate like that, but at least cycling has resisted. So now he cannot get his own way he is off. Hopefully Saxo will stay out for good too.

 

[jens_attacks]

i liked him sometimes and he is great fun but his plans could have destroyed much what i like about pro cycling. so i won't miss him.

 

[Vesica]

Tinkov is sometimes absolutely crazy, but also has some good points about the future of cycling. Unfortunately UCI didn't pick up some of his ideas about sponsoring/owning teams for example.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

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Probably the best news for cycling in some time. Tinkov is quitting essentially because the sport could not be bullied into behaving as his own personal plaything. He is another example of someone who believes that his wealth should entitle him to dictate the terms of anything he chooses to involve himself in. Sadly too much of the world does operate like that, but at least cycling has resisted. So now he cannot get his own way he is off. Hopefully Saxo will stay out for good too.

maybe with Riis back? I know Sagan would be happy about that.

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/10/report-riis-attempting-to-buy-tinkoff-saxo-team-back-from-oleg-tinkov

 

[metaCYCLE]

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Tinkov is sometimes absolutely crazy, but also has some good points about the future of cycling. Unfortunately UCI didn't pick up some of his ideas about sponsoring/owning teams for example.

This. Plus another valid point that he made is that riders and DSs just don't care... And that's symptomatic for the bunch - other than taking a stance about extreme weather protocols - they just don't seem to care that much about revenue models, job security and the like. Or at least they aren't vocal about it.