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actually, my position was counter to your response, i made no value judgement on Armstrong. But I was saying that out construction about Olympic ideal and the norms and motherhood tropes on sport, are founded in pedagogy which will have some antecedence in the greeks like it was mentioned which influenced the muscular christianity BS and chariots of fire
Archibald said:beat me to it... comes back to parenting... simply look at what LA's "father" did in turning him into a sociopathic "winner"
Can you imagine what he'd have been if he was raised by Basson's parents?? (we'd never hear from Walsh for a start)
to raise a child so that they compete in their chosen sport without even thinking that cheating (doping) is an option... honesty, integrity and actually realising that if you win by cheating the victory is just hollow and meaningless, and therefore something you'd not contemplate...
utopia is a lovely place though
actually, my position was counter to your response, i made no value judgement on Armstrong. But I was saying that out construction about Olympic ideal and the norms and motherhood tropes on sport, are founded in pedagogy which will have some antecedence in the greeks like it was mentioned which influenced the muscular christianity BS and chariots of fire