What would you do if you were Lance?

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stephens said:
If this is true, how did SCA find out about the conversation that she supposedly heard in the first place? Frankie? None of the other people in the room testified that they heard what Frankie and Betsy said they did. Though the rep from Oakley told Lemond she did hear it, but she denied it in testimony. In other words, it seems unlikely anyone but Betsy/Frankie told SCA about the conversation because none of them even said it ever took place.

I first heard about the story almost 10 years ago. The person who relayed it said that Stephanie was his source. You will notice that there were no taped calls between Greg and Betsy.....Greg called Stephanie because he had heard she had been talking about it, not Betsy. Another rather talkative person was Lisa Shiels....so much so that Armstrong had his lawyers send a "Shut the hell up" letter.

You can pretend that Betsy was the only source but the reality is many of Armstrong' "Friends" like to talk $hit about him behind his back.
 
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You really need to move on from your total LA fixation. The only difference between you and those you regularly accusing of being trolls, is that you are at opposite ends of the trolling spectrum. A troll is a troll mate and you excell at it. This post of yours is a prime example.

Another fanboy with no sense of irony...who knew?:rolleyes:
 
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Ah, thanks for the details. I always wondered who was the source of that since none of the others would go on the record about it, it didn't look good for the Andreus.
 

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Alpe d'Huez said:
Start cooperating with USADA and the FDA. Because it's the right thing to do.

Start working with my PR firm to concoct some sort of confession and spin it however possible to make it sound not as bad as it is.

"Everyone in cycling dopes. It sucks, and is filled with lies, but that's the way it is, and was before I got into the sport. Others doped more than I ever did. I used EPO just like when I had cancer, it's not bad for you in low doses. HGH isn't bad for you in small doses either. I did these always under doctor supervision. I'm sorry, and sorry the whole thing stinks, but I'm being honest. I will now retire and quietly commit the rest of my life to helping cancer patients."

There would be a howl of protest across the cycling world, but he might be able to at least absorb some of it and not end up in prison, humiliated, and a total pariah. And if he did quietly fade away, and after some time visited local cancer patients who forgave him, he could slowly build some of his reputation back.

@Lance - do not use Alpe d'Huez PR company, just PM me -like the UCI, I accept cash only.....here is what to do.

Go on Larry King ASAP:

Larry: So, Lance is it true that you were using a blood transfusion on the USPS bus?

You know Larry, I am really glad you asked me that question - cancer effects 8 million people every year and one of our interns at Livestrong.com realized that many cases of cancer are due to blood.
Having had cancer myself I would not want anyone to go through it, even someone with a mental illness who tries to blackmail me like Floyd.
So, I said to Johan, because he is the best manager ever "give the guys new blood". He said "but what happens if people think we are blood doping"? But I insisted, and said "cancer can strike anywhere, even on the side of a mountain, give them the blood, give it to everyone, even the bus driver".

But Lance Floyd said you gave him EPO.

Yes Larry – again cancer.
EPO is often used to help cancer patients. If even someone who is mentally ill and tried to blackmail me like Floyd got cancer I believe getting proper care and having your own drugs is vital, and indeed you can find out more about it by checking Livestrong.com or following me on twitter.

But Floyd claims you bribed the UCI to hide a positive test.

You know Larry, I was visiting a cancer hospital today, and I was thinking about that. The UCI were buying a machine to detect drug use and cancer. I am glad to support that. I am a generous guy- ask any blonde in Texas.

So you’re saying Floyd is lying?

You know Larry, I was thinking about that while I was waiting in line to pick my kids up from school today. The people at USA Cycling will see through Floyd's allegations almost as good as a pair of Livestrong Jawbone Oakley's. Floyd – who remember, is mentally ill, claims have less content than the calories of a Michelob Ultra. If you went to your local Radioshack and bought a lie-detector I know I would pass.

So you are completely denying that you have taken PEDs?

You know Larry, I was out on my Trek for an 8 hour bike ride today and I was thinking how I am the most tested athlete in the history of sport, oh and curing cancer.
 

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Race Radio said:
Ahhh yes, the "Betsy should have committed perjury" Troll. Which one of your multiple banned usernames did you first come up with that gem? Was it Arbiter? Next will be the "Frontal lobe development" troll and the "Pro Cyclist don't use Cortisone".

You need to crawl out of the basement sometime and stop this garbage.

Classic PR smear operation. Just unlease some bluster attacks rather than address the point in the post you are responding to.
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
@Lance - do not use Alpe d'Huez PR company, just PM me -like the UCI, I accept cash only.....here is what to do.

Go on Larry King ASAP:

Larry: So, Lance is it true that you were using a blood transfusion on the USPS bus?

You know Larry, I am really glad you asked me that question - cancer effects 8 million people every year and one of our interns at Livestrong.com realized that many cases of cancer are due to blood.
Having had cancer myself I would not want anyone to go through it, even someone with a mental illness who tries to blackmail me like Floyd.
So, I said to Johann, because he is the best manager ever give the guys new blood. He said "but what happens if people think we are blood doping"? But I insisted, and said "cancer can strike anywhere, even on the side of a mountain, give them the blood, give it to everyone, even the bus driver".

But Lance Floyd said you gave him EPO.

Yes Larry – again cancer. EPO is often used to help cancer patients. If even someone who is mentally ill and tried to blackmail me like Floyd got cancer I believe having getting proper care and having your own drugs is vital, and indeed you can find out more about it by checking Livestrong.com or following me on twitter.

But Floyd claims you bribed the UCI to hide a positive test.

You know Larry, I was visiting a cancer hospital today, and I was thinking about that. The UCI were buying a machine to detect drug use and cancer. I am glad to support that. I am a generous guy- as any blonde in Texas.

So you’re saying Floyd is lying?

You know Larry, I was thinking about that while I was waiting in line to pick my kids up from school today. The people at USA Cycling will see through Floyd's allegations almost as good as a pair of Livestrong Jawbone Oakley's. Floyd – who remember, is mentally ill, claims have less content than the calories of a Michelob Ultra. If you went to your local Radioshack and bought a lie-detector I know I would pass.

So you are completely denying that you have taken PEDs?

You know Larry, I was out on my Trek for an 8 hour bike ride today and I was thinking how I am the most tested athlete in the history of sport, oh and curing cancer.

You are a comedic genius!
 

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You really need to move on from your total LA fixation. The only difference between you and those you regularly accusing of being trolls, is that you are at opposite ends of the trolling spectrum. A troll is a troll mate and you excell at it. This post of yours is a prime example.

His stated goal is to try to bait people to make them go nuts and start threatening him so they can get banned. He said on the other thread. That's why he tries to derail threads with insults.

The funny thing is, he is the only one that ever flips out.

It shows you the type of cranks on the web that celebs are up against these days.
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
You are a comedic genius!

Ditto, ROFLMAO :D

Esp. "The people at USA Cycling will see through Floyd's allegations almost as good as a pair of Livestrong Jawbone Oakley's. Floyd – who remember, is mentally ill, claims have less content than the calories of a Michelob Ultra. If you went to your local Radioshack and bought a lie-detector..."

$$$$$$$$

Some pointers for Lance:

"Memo to Lance: Drug investigations are built on the testimony and evidence of men and women who take drugs. They are rarely nice people. They often lie, in part or in whole, but their testimony often leads to snaring the big fish.

Steroids investigations are not popularity contests or tests of spin control. Investigations are not "our word against theirs," especially when Agent Novitzky wants your scalp
."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-littman/lance-armstrongs-hunter_b_591660.html
 
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Ha, ha, ha, we just need a Larry King interview with Fatty McQuacky too :D


Dr. Maserati said:
@Lance - do not use Alpe d'Huez PR company, just PM me -like the UCI, I accept cash only.....here is what to do.

Go on Larry King ASAP:

Larry: So, Lance is it true that you were using a blood transfusion on the USPS bus?

You know Larry, I am really glad you asked me that question - cancer effects 8 million people every year and one of our interns at Livestrong.com realized that many cases of cancer are due to blood.
Having had cancer myself I would not want anyone to go through it, even someone with a mental illness who tries to blackmail me like Floyd.
So, I said to Johann, because he is the best manager ever give the guys new blood. He said "but what happens if people think we are blood doping"? But I insisted, and said "cancer can strike anywhere, even on the side of a mountain, give them the blood, give it to everyone, even the bus driver".

But Lance Floyd said you gave him EPO.

Yes Larry – again cancer. EPO is often used to help cancer patients. If even someone who is mentally ill and tried to blackmail me like Floyd got cancer I believe having getting proper care and having your own drugs is vital, and indeed you can find out more about it by checking Livestrong.com or following me on twitter.

But Floyd claims you bribed the UCI to hide a positive test.

You know Larry, I was visiting a cancer hospital today, and I was thinking about that. The UCI were buying a machine to detect drug use and cancer. I am glad to support that. I am a generous guy- as any blonde in Texas.

So you’re saying Floyd is lying?

You know Larry, I was thinking about that while I was waiting in line to pick my kids up from school today. The people at USA Cycling will see through Floyd's allegations almost as good as a pair of Livestrong Jawbone Oakley's. Floyd – who remember, is mentally ill, claims have less content than the calories of a Michelob Ultra. If you went to your local Radioshack and bought a lie-detector I know I would pass.

So you are completely denying that you have taken PEDs?

You know Larry, I was out on my Trek for an 8 hour bike ride today and I was thinking how I am the most tested athlete in the history of sport, oh and curing cancer.
 
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MarkGreen0 said:
Classic PR smear operation. Just unlease some bluster attacks rather than address the point in the post you are responding to.

So you are not the same guy who has been banned over 50 times here for trolling?

You are not fooling anyone.
 

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Race Radio said:
So you are not the same guy who has been banned over 50 times here for trolling?

You are not fooling anyone.

All too often you use PR machine style attacks on users rather than address the point they are making. Then you expect people to believe your claims to be upset at how Armstrong treats people.

If you can't counter someones point then you should take a cold shower.
 
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R.0.t.O said:
If I were Lance, I'd retire and go live on a ranch somewhere with my millions of $. Take the Ullrich approach and just walk away and live a quiet life. Give up Tour 2010 as an impossible dream. Much like with Ulli I suspect that a lot of people will be satisfied with him just clearing off and not flaunting his fraud.

Judging by Retirement 1.0 this doesn't seem particularly likely. He will plough on ahead until he smacks into a wall somewhere. This is a man who has had all shame extracted and replaced with extra ego. He'll find a way to be at the Tour, he'll find a way to be fairly competitive, and he'll find some way to keep on annoying us for years to come.

lance wont go quietly, he had his chance, best get away ever, now he is all in and the cards have turned up a joker
 
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Off-topic, but still Lance. Why is he seemingly moaning about being tested? I'm sure I read something like this from him before..

Anti-doping copntrol. Blood and urine. Why am I not surprised? All good tho.
about 16 hours ago via UberTwitter
 
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If I were Lance, I'd hire the best lawyers to poke holes at the story and attack the messenger from all angles. If that doesn't work, carry the case on for as long as possible, maybe 5 maybe 10 years until the public is just sick of hearing it. Does it prove Lance didn't dope? No. It proves that the judicial system can be worked to the favor of people with thick pockets.

Honestly though, LA is a big big fish. The entire cycling industry in the U.S is revolving around him, in one way or the other. It is in the best interests of the everyone within the commercial circle to try and protect him from a fall. Do they care whether he doped or not? Depends on whom you talk to. I bet a majority of people who are bent on making money don't give a damn about what happened in the past.
 

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stephens said:
Absolutely. All anyone should really say on the matter is that such and such cyclist hasn't been sanctioned and therefore is allowed to compete and therefore it is fine for people to root for him or root against him as with any other competitor. All the rest of the gossip should be left to the women at the old folks home.

Now, if it can be proven that someone did test positive and was about to be sanctioned and bought their way out of it, we have a huge problem!

I knew that was coming. Some control freak telling me I should believe them rather than my own eyes.

You live your ostrich life, I'll keep my eyes open.

Thanks
 

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luckyboy said:
Off-topic, but still Lance. Why is he seemingly moaning about being tested? I'm sure I read something like this from him before..

Anti-doping copntrol. Blood and urine. Why am I not surprised? All good tho.
about 16 hours ago via UberTwitter

Maybe too much time on here has rotted my brain, but when I read that yesterday I spotted a possible double meaning. :)
 

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I would disagree, it has not been well traveled but ignored. The general public, and the judiciary, are likely to have little knowledge of the vast amount of evidence of Armstrong's doping.

While I can see why you hope that all previous information is ignore any good investigator would explore all avenues.

Why would I want to see any information ignored? Of course a good investigator would explore all avenues, I have never inferred otherwise. To be honest it's all a bit of a yawn at the moment.
 
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SpartacusRox said:
Why would I want to see any information ignored? Of course a good investigator would explore all avenues, I have never inferred otherwise.

You dismissed the mountain of evidence against Lance and said that so far it was "Just Landis" After I pointed out that it was far from "Just Landis" You then wrote

SpartacusRox said:
The issue with the people that you mention above is that the ground has already been well traversed and it is unlikely that it will be revisited

It would appear to most people that you are trying to diminish the vast amount of evidence against Armstrong and reduce it to Landis' word against Armstrong. It is far beyond that.
 
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What do we expect Lance to do? If we accept that he has doped where can he go from here? I have no time for the guy but I do wonder what we expect him to do other than deny, deny, deny.

If this was the usual doping investigation by a UCI or WADA or USADA, we'd expect Lance to deny, deny deny. The anti-doping rules are written such that as a rule, unless you test positive, you won't get caught. Lance has been relying on this point all his career ("most tested athlete") - and has panic-reacted when there was a postive test (cortisone back-dated TUE, 2001 EPO positive hidden with a "donation", the legal technicalities with testing of the 1999 TfD samples). With these orgs, there is no consequence for lying. And the only possible penalty is to lose your UCI cycling license for 2 years.

If the FDA starts a formal investigation, as expected, the stakes will be much higher for Lance. Cycling license is the least of his worries. He has to worry about time behind bars (not unheard of - Marion Jones). He's got to be mindful of civil fraud lawsuits with a potential to lose lots of $'s if the feds can prove he cheated. His future business dealings are in danger. Ditto for his foundation. Not to talk about his ambitions for political office. And perhaps most important to Lance - his reputation and legacy would be ruined.

Lance's first reaction is to hire the best help money can buy and hope that they can convince the feds that there is no case. This one's unlikely to succeed, given the existing evidence from the SCA case, Landis etc.

His next best hope is to try to plea-bargain the case to some minor offense that he can get away with a slap on the the wrist. Here's he's up against a career investigator who hopes to make his name nailing big names. Not probable.

So the default case seems that Lance will end up stalling for time, not to cooperate actively, and hope to drag the case out as far as he can - while calling his favorite congressmen and Livestrong political bigwigs to try to influence to have the case shelved - who wants to do harm for the cancer charity work he does 24/7?
 

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You dismissed the mountain of evidence against Lance and said that so far it was "Just Landis" After I pointed out that it was far from "Just Landis" You then wrote



It would appear to most people that you are trying to diminish the vast amount of evidence against Armstrong and reduce it to Landis' word against Armstrong. It is far beyond that.

No, thats just the slant that you put on my post to suit your own bias. You can't dimish evidence, it is either there and it stacks up or it doesn't. I have always said that the evidence will speak for itself. If the evidence is there and it is admissible then it will come out. If not then it is of limited value.
 

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if I was lance I would make another 20mil win tour 8 and be a good poppa with #5 child, #4 child etc. Go Lance!
 
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SpartacusRox said:
No, thats just the slant that you put on my post to suit your own bias. You can't dimish evidence, it is either there and it stacks up or it doesn't.

I am sure you could understand that when someone reads this they could get the impression that you are trying to diminish the vast amount of evidence that is out there on Armstrong's doping.

SpartacusRox said:
The issue with the people that you mention above is that the ground has already been well traversed and it is unlikely that it will be revisited

The fact is many of these people that you attempt to minimize will jump at the chance of telling their story in a court of law.