What's the Status on Armstrong vs. FDA?

[sniper]

I just wanted to post here, as I'm curious to know as there have been more events that have taken place. Unfortunately, its still the "his word against mine," circumstantial evidence that we've been hearing about since day one. Since there is no evidence, its right back to this

He has no proof. It's just our word against his, and we like our word. We like where we stand."

Not fully true. Some things have moved. Awareness is rapidly increasing, though at the expense of LA:
As the Dutch broadcasting of Kimmage on Armstrong has underscored, the Myth is being demystified at a rapid pace.

 

[masking_agent]

we can de-myth all we want, until there's no proof nor hard evidence, it'll be another OJ. He'll be coveted by the shroud of UCI secrecy leaving us to speculate for years to come.. I wish it wasn't so, but there may be a time when Novitzky even calls it quits.. or Novitzky gets pressure from his own to stop pursuing..

 

[sniper]

we can de-myth all we want, until there's no proof nor hard evidence, it'll be another OJ. He'll be coveted by the shroud of UCI secrecy leaving us to speculate for years to come.. I wish it wasn't so, but there may be a time when Novitzky even calls it quits.. or Novitzky gets pressure from his own to stop pursuing..

Ok, but I pointed at the Dutch broadcasting, cuz traditionally the Dutch NOS has been an uncritical supporter of the LA myth. So this broadcasting did mean quite alot, as an indicator of how LA's credibility is crumbling, also in places where he used to receive support.
So I'd now like to hear LA repeat: "I like where we stand, I like our credibility".

 

[BotanyBay]

I just wanted to post here, as I'm curious to know as there have been more events that have taken place. Unfortunately, its still the "his word against mine," circumstantial evidence that we've been hearing about since day one. Since there is no evidence, its right back to this

He has no proof. It's just our word against his, and we like our word. We like where we stand."

The nail that sticks-out, gets hammered. Quit whacking beehives and perhaps let sleeping giants lie.

 

[Polish]

Not fully true.
As the Dutch broadcasting of Kimmage on Armstrong has underscored, the Myth is being demystified at a rapid pace.

The Dutch Broadcast did manage to plug "Rough Ride".
Otherwise, SSDD.

Maybe Mr Kimmage is so angry because his book is outdated compared to all the potential johnny-come-lately books and revelations that are much more insightful than Kimmage could ever hope to produce.

"Me Me Me. This is Me in L'equipe!"
Framed copy lol.

 

[sniper]

we can de-myth all we want, until there's no proof nor hard evidence, it'll be another OJ. He'll be coveted by the shroud of UCI secrecy leaving us to speculate for years to come.. I wish it wasn't so, but there may be a time when Novitzky even calls it quits.. or Novitzky gets pressure from his own to stop pursuing..

The Dutch Broadcast did manage to plug "Rough Ride".
Otherwise, SSDD.

Ok, but I pointed at the Dutch broadcasting, cuz traditionally the Dutch NOS has been an uncritical supporter of the LA myth. So this broadcasting did mean quite alot, as an indicator of how LA's credibility is crumbling, also in places where he used to receive loyal support.
So I'd now like to hear LA repeat: "I like where we stand, I like our credibility".

 

[masking_agent]

Ok, but I pointed at the Dutch broadcasting, cuz traditionally the Dutch NOS has been an uncritical supporter of the LA myth. So this broadcasting did mean quite alot, as an indicator of how LA's credibility is crumbling, also in places where he used to receive support.
So I'd now like to hear LA repeat: "I like where we stand, I like our credibility".

I don't think Dutch broadcast had any affect , as most Americans still think Bin Laden is still being hunted

 

[Digger]

The Dutch Broadcast did manage to plug "Rough Ride".
Otherwise, SSDD.

Maybe Mr Kimmage is so angry because his book is outdated compared to all the potential johnny-come-lately books and revelations that are much more insightful than Kimmage could ever hope to produce.

"Me Me Me. This is Me in L'equipe!"
Framed copy lol.

Have you read his book?

 

[sniper]

I don't think Dutch broadcast had any affect , as most Americans still think Bin Laden is still being hunted

I'm not saying it had any effect. I'm just saying it indicates that LA's credibility has really dropped to zero. Blinders are being removed, the ignorant are being enlightened.

 

[masking_agent]

i read Kimmage's book. I had read many years ago. I think he was an overly negative person as well. Not wanting to train and would rather want to sit in cafe's and drink coffee. He was a poor example of a professional cyclist with a very poor work ethic. Again, its stuff we already know what he was talking about. Its how to get evidence.

 

[thehog]

Cannot believe you guys took the bait on this.....

 

[masking_agent]

I'm not saying it had any effect. I'm just saying it indicates that LA's credibility has really dropped to zero. Blinders are being removed, the ignorant are being enlightened.
Though you're right to ask: "who still cares?"

I live in Canada and are privy to many U.S. Stations, and publication. I do not think LA's credibility has dropped one bit. He's got the U.S. fooled much like George W had with hunting for Bin Laden. I guess it will take more time.

 

[BotanyBay]

i read Kimmage's book. I had read many years ago. I think he was an overly negative person as well. Not wanting to train and would rather want to sit in cafe's and drink coffee. He was a poor example of a professional cyclist with a very poor work ethic. Again, its stuff we already know what he was talking about. Its how to get evidence.

You say you read it? Tell me about the section where they did a post-tour criterium. What happened? Then I'll believe you've read it. Can you remember that part?

 

[BotanyBay]

I live in Canada

Never complain about the USA again until you can reconcile this abomination:

 

[D-Queued]

I live in Canada and are privy to many U.S. Stations, and publication. I do not think LA's credibility has dropped one bit. He's got the U.S. fooled much like George W had with hunting for Bin Laden. I guess it will take more time.

Yup, that clinches it. Sew up the case. You are the expert.

But, just so that some of the other readers can appreciate your enlightenment, could you:

- Advise which US stations you have regular access to
- Which US stations you watch
- Which US stations have provided coverage regarding Lance's credibility
- When you saw this
- Exactly what degree of 'fooling' Lance has been able to achieve with the 'U.S.'
- What are you referrring to exactly, when you say 'the U.S.'
- How the assessment was conducted, by whom, and what level of statistical confidence they obtained (citations please)

Similarly
- What evidence you have that GW Bush 'fooled' anyone
- What Osama has to do with any of this

In other words, you are in the process of embarrassing yourself and your country. Others of us from Canada would appreciate if you just tried to speak for yourself.

Dave.

 

[thehog]

Never complain about the USA again until you can reconcile this abomination:

Degrassi Junior High. Love that show.

Katelin was the subject of many of my 14 year old fantasies....

 

[BotanyBay]

Degrassi Junior High. Love that show.

Katelin was the subject of many of my 14 year old fantasies....

All those Canadian teen TV characters put-out, that's why ;-)

 

[Race Radio]

I live in Canada and are privy to many U.S. Stations, and publication. I do not think LA's credibility has dropped one bit. He's got the U.S. fooled much like George W had with hunting for Bin Laden. I guess it will take more time.

And you would be wrong

But Zeta Interactive, a marketing firm that tracks looks online to see how people are being viewed, found Armstrong has fallen far from his perch as one of the most popular athletes the agency has ever tracked.

Zeta measured Armstrong at 92 per cent popularity in 2008, and he was at 86 per cent in July before the start of his final Tour de France. That number dropped to 51 per cent in August when the federal investigation ramped up and has bumped only slightly to 55 per cent in recent weeks.

"He's flirting with 50-50," said Zeta Interactive CEO Al DiGuido. "For someone trying to build themself as a brand, that's not a good place to be."

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=capress-cyc_armstrongs_image-4581609

Did you really believe Floyd when he said he did not have any evidence? Really? Don't worry, you will find out in due time.

 

[Ferminal]

The Dutch Broadcast did manage to plug "Rough Ride".
Otherwise, SSDD.

Maybe Mr Kimmage is so angry because his book is outdated compared to all the potential johnny-come-lately books and revelations that are much more insightful than Kimmage could ever hope to produce.

"Me Me Me. This is Me in L'equipe!"
Framed copy lol.

Excellent post.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

I just wanted to post here, as I'm curious to know as there have been more events that have taken place. Unfortunately, its still the "his word against mine," circumstantial evidence that we've been hearing about since day one. Since there is no evidence, its right back to this

He has no proof. It's just our word against his, and we like our word. We like where we stand."

Thanks for restating the same opinion, with different wording, in a different thread. It invites me to reiterate that you are incorrect.

It is wrong to say there is no evidence. It is wrong to say that we are still at the point where it is Lance and Johan's word against Floyd's. Since Lance made that statement, other team members have confirmed that they doped, that they were made to dope, encouraged to dope and that it was paid for.

 

[leftover pie]

Katelin was the subject of many of my 14 year old fantasies....

oh yes. can't believe she went out with that claude guy.

 

[skidmark]

Did you really believe Floyd when he said he did not have any evidence? Really? Don't worry, you will find out in due time.

Yeah, why should we believe Floyd when he said he didn't have any evidence? Even Lance says Floyd's a liar.

 

[Race Radio]

Yeah, why should we believe Floyd when he said he didn't have any evidence? Even Lance says Floyd's a liar.

The good thing is this had moved way beyond Floyd. When this is all done he will just be one of many.

 

[PotentialPro]

So soon we forget the trip to Europe to meet with various groups there. Could there not be physical evidence gathered during these meetings? My inclination is to say yes.

 

[thehog]

oh yes. can't believe she went out with that claude guy.

Should have stuck with Joey!

She DJ's in Toronto now. Looks very very very good.

The girl on the right is Spike who played the pregnant girl who went out with Snake.