::::~ Wheelbuilders thread ~::::

[biker77]

This only applies to j-bend spokes, correct?

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

This only applies to j-bend spokes, correct?

any cross pattern, j-bend or straight pull doesn't matter.

 

[biker77]

My mavic cosmos do not do interlace. Straight pull from the hub to the rim without touching any other spoke. These wheels are fine but slightly flexy under heavy torque.

Did I explain my easton concern incorrectly?

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

My mavic cosmos do not do interlace. Straight pull from the hub to the rim without touching any other spoke. These wheels are fine but slightly flexy under heavy torque.

Did I explain my easton concern incorrectly?

No you got it right, but Mavic being the exception to the rule of what works and what doesn't. Since they started offering complete wheel sets almost 20 years ago their designs have been consistently the worst in the realm of wheels over this period. Shame that the most visible name in wheels makes the crappiest stuff.

 

[biker77]

I have read enough other posts to know there are better designs. They are not very stiff and are slow to engage. However, these wheels seem to work ok after ~10,000km (I achieved spoke tension that is holding true at about 5000km).

I think I have gotten used to the mediocrity and just accept it.

What stops the taco?

 

[Boeing]

ok thread is a sleeper and hard to click through so sorry if redundant


Anyone Laced a pair of ENVE 28 hole rims?

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

ok thread is a sleeper and hard to click through so sorry if redundant


Anyone Laced a pair of ENVE 28 hole rims?

Sleeper, funny. Amazing we all still keep coming back, isn't it? You've been awful grumpy lately on the forums, what's the matter?

Of course, I've built dozens of ENVE sets, so have a few others here, but is this another pipe dream wheel set for you that never gets built? Remember the last one we talked about, that never got built either. So before we go chasing unicorns for you.......

 

[Boeing]

Sleeper, funny. Amazing we all still keep coming back, isn't it? You've been awful grumpy lately on the forums, what's the matter?

Of course, I've built dozens of ENVE sets, so have a few others here, but is this another pipe dream wheel set for you that never gets built? Remember the last one we talked about, that never got built either. So before we go chasing unicorns for you.......

Touche but I didnt tell you what I am riding insetd because you would call me a tool.

calm down and dont buy parts based on a PM next time. Damn

 

[mr. tibbs]

No you got it right, but Mavic being the exception to the rule of what works and what doesn't. Since they started offering complete wheel sets almost 20 years ago their designs have been consistently the worst in the realm of wheels over this period. Shame that the most visible name in wheels makes the crappiest stuff.

I ride Ksyrium Elites, and have twice developed floppy spokes in my rear wheel on rides. ;( What factory wheelset would you rec? (And is there a thread for this?) I've noticed Reynolds getting a lot of love. Is that the answer? Or are they just good rims that need a proper builder's touch?

I've been geeking out on wheel tech lately without really understanding how wheels work. Which means I'm mostly just looking at the pretty decals and worrying about catching a crosswind with 60mm rims. Maybe I should start lurking more in this forum...

 

[Bustedknuckle]

ok thread is a sleeper and hard to click through so sorry if redundant


Anyone Laced a pair of ENVE 28 hole rims?

yes..............................................

 

[veganrob]

ok thread is a sleeper and hard to click through so sorry if redundant


Anyone Laced a pair of ENVE 28 hole rims?

Several. 20, 24, 28, tubi, clincher, road, mtn.

 

[JA.Tri]

No you got it right, but Mavic being the exception to the rule of what works and what doesn't. Since they started offering complete wheel sets almost 20 years ago their designs have been consistently the worst in the realm of wheels over this period. Shame that the most visible name in wheels makes the crappiest stuff.

Hi GM (aka ...4Roubaix )

First:

I (95kg) have a set of Mavic Open Pro 32h, Champion spokes, DA/PTap hubs...should I be concerned with longevity...take particular precautions? Apart from minor occasional true, I have had no prob to date.

Second:

Friend (female 54kg, high cadence, soft on gear) is considering Velocity rim 24h (approx 400g...sorry don't know model), PTap G3 hub, titanium spokes ($7-$11 each). The wheelbuilder is quoting $500 AUD for parts and build.

I had previously suggested:

. DTSwiss or Mavic rims (Enve if she had money to burn)
. Worry about MOI rather than just overall weight (she intends Pro3 Race tyres, normal tubes)

I now note possible Mavic issues.

I have...with no real insight, expressed concern at titanium spokes, stretching/breaking. Builder has given no cost rebuild warrantee against breakage.

Question:

Are Ti spokes good value ignoring price...reliability/ride wise?

Is there a build you would suggest in preference?

All forumites...please feel free to comment .

Ta js

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

I ride Ksyrium Elites, and have twice developed floppy spokes in my rear wheel on rides. ;( What factory wheelset would you rec? (And is there a thread for this?) I've noticed Reynolds getting a lot of love. Is that the answer? Or are they just good rims that need a proper builder's touch?

I've been geeking out on wheel tech lately without really understanding how wheels work. Which means I'm mostly just looking at the pretty decals and worrying about catching a crosswind with 60mm rims. Maybe I should start lurking more in this forum...

Reynolds are one of the better factory built wheel sets you can get, but the best are built custom. I've built with Reynolds rims, but use my own hubs, Edco and Alchemy, which are better hubs then any factory set will come equipped with.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Hi GM (aka ...4Roubaix )

First:

I (95kg) have a set of Mavic Open Pro 32h, Champion spokes, DA/PTap hubs...should I be concerned with longevity...take particular precautions? Apart from minor occasional true, I have had no prob to date.

Second:

Friend (female 54kg, high cadence, soft on gear) is considering Velocity rim 24h (approx 400g...sorry don't know model), PTap G3 hub, titanium spokes ($7-$11 each). The wheelbuilder is quoting $500 AUD for parts and build.

I had previously suggested:

. DTSwiss or Mavic rims (Enve if she had money to burn)
. Worry about MOI rather than just overall weight (she intends Pro3 Race tyres, normal tubes)

I now note possible Mavic issues.

I have...with no real insight, expressed concern at titanium spokes, stretching/breaking. Builder has given no cost rebuild warrantee against breakage.

Question:

Are Ti spokes good value ignoring price...reliability/ride wise?

Is there a build you would suggest in preference?

All forumites...please feel free to comment .

Ta js

We were talking about factory built complete wheel sets, what you have going on with your PT sets is custom. Only thing is that Open Pro's aren't what they're all cracked up to be. They're only considered the standard in that realm of low-pro, box section, eyeletted rims, because of brand I.D., Mavic is most visible. Take heed, there are much better rims in this genre out there, Ambrosio, DT, H Plus Son.

Ti spokes = waste of money. Better choice in the light realm of spokes would be Sapim CX-Ray or Super Spoke, and the DT Aerolite or Revolution. Anything but Ti.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Touche but I didnt tell you what I am riding insetd because you would call me a tool.

calm down and dont buy parts based on a PM next time. Damn

Still have no idea what you're talking about. Care to elaborate? One thing I know about you is that you base equipment purchases on fashion first, so a tool, sure, why not. You haven't changed at all my boy, still takes multiple posts to get info out of you, just spit it out. What did you do now?

 

[JA.Tri]

We were talking about factory built complete wheel sets, what you have going on with your PT sets is custom. Only thing is that Open Pro's aren't what they're all cracked up to be..... ...Take heed, there are much better rims in this genre out there, Ambrosio, DT, H Plus Son.

Ti spokes = waste of money. Better choice in the light realm of spokes would be Sapim CX-Ray or Super Spoke, and the DT Aerolite or Revolution. Anything but Ti.

Thank you. Given above suggestions would you go Ambrosio, DT, H Plus Son rather than Velocity?

 

[RDV4ROUBAIX]

Thank you. Given above suggestions would you go Ambrosio, DT, H Plus Son rather than Velocity?

For low profile, double eyeletted, box section rims like your Open Pros, yes. Velocity doesn't make one. But, I have built wheel sets utilizing almost the entire Velocity catalog for many years. Great stuff, not consistently, but the last few years QC has gone up dramatically.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Thank you. Given above suggestions would you go Ambrosio, DT, H Plus Son rather than Velocity?

For low profile, double eyeletted, box section rims like your Open Pros, yes. Velocity doesn't make one. But, I have built wheel sets utilizing almost the entire Velocity catalog for many years. Great stuff, not consistently, but the last few years QC has gone up dramatically.

 

[Boeing]

Sleeper, funny. Amazing we all still keep coming back, isn't it? You've been awful grumpy lately on the forums, what's the matter?

Of course, I've built dozens of ENVE sets, so have a few others here, but is this another pipe dream wheel set for you that never gets built? Remember the last one we talked about, that never got built either. So before we go chasing unicorns for you.......

So Bro, how you doing it? 3X, alloy whats the job?

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

So Bro, how you doing it? 3X, alloy whats the job?

You tell me. Still didn't give much info about that 28h ENVE deal, what's up with that? I was keen on building you a set with those new Profile hubs and some A23's or H Plus Son Archetype rims.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Ok, so every season for the past three I build about a dozen sets of these White Ind. hubs, a great value for a US made hub ($395/set). They aren't the most expensive, though, and they aren't the lightest (95g front/250g rear), but they are super durable and in every hole count possible. Best of all is the Ti freehub body, Shimano/SRAM cogs will not chew these up. All customers reporting 10's of thousands of miles with no issues at all on their everyday bikes.

So my question is to all the people that don't like the set screw for bearing preload. Why not? I'm currently overhauling a 1996 Campy Chorus hubset and I think I know where White got this idea from...

 

[Jukebox]

The set screw preload I think falters in its lack of precision. With a threaded preload you can add tension evenly, easily and in exact amounts. That being said, I really like WI hubs and the set screw does not keep me from using and recommending them.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Ok, so every season for the past three I build about a dozen sets of these White Ind. hubs, a great value for a US made hub ($395/set). They aren't the most expensive, though, and they aren't the lightest (95g front/250g rear), but they are super durable and in every hole count possible. Best of all is the Ti freehub body, Shimano/SRAM cogs will not chew these up. All customers reporting 10's of thousands of miles with no issues at all on their everyday bikes.

So my question is to all the people that don't like the set screw for bearing preload. Why not? I'm currently overhauling a 1996 Campy Chorus hubset and I think I know where White got this idea from...

The set screw doesn't set preload, it just holds the LH axle end in. The 'preload' is set in the truing stand, crank the arms down, and tighten the set screw. It's not an adjust plate, on the Whites.

White has had this design for a long time, I think they could do better. Even Zipp hubs, some of the poorest, at least have a adjust on the bike, plate..Mavic also, another poor design, but better adjust method.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

The set screw preload I think falters in its lack of precision. With a threaded preload you can add tension evenly, easily and in exact amounts. That being said, I really like WI hubs and the set screw does not keep me from using and recommending them.

Agreed, threaded end caps would make more sense. This is actually how the old Chorus hub works. It has threaded lock nuts and the NDS lock nut has a set screw. I found a preload method with White Ind. hubs that works pretty well. After the build is complete I just put the rear wheel in a frame and adjust preload by tightening the skewer and and then the set screw. Ideally this should be done in the truing stand, but Park stands do not hold the axle flush. You'd need a P&K or Centrimaster to be able to properly adjust preload. Which is where I'm headed next. The Park stands have served me well for many years, but I think it's time to upgrade.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Agreed, threaded end caps would make more sense. This is actually how the old Chorus hub works. It has threaded lock nuts and the NDS lock nut has a set screw. I found a preload method with White Ind. hubs that works pretty well. After the build is complete I just put the rear wheel in a frame and adjust preload by tightening the skewer and and then the set screw. Ideally this should be done in the truing stand, but Park stands do not hold the axle flush. You'd need a P&K or Centrimaster to be able to properly adjust preload. Which is where I'm headed next. The Park stands have served me well for many years, but I think it's time to upgrade.

And the currect Record hubs. True about in the frame but if you are just building the wheel...I gots lotsa bikes around but sometimes all you have is the truing stand. P&K and Centrimaster are very nice but yowser, lotsa $, and no dials for me grazie. Makes you crazy. No modern rims aren't made accurately enough to warrant dials, IMHO. Eyeballs work fine.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/P-K-Lie-truing-stand-/280819970607

http://www.centrimaster.de/en/shop/truingstand/classic.html

Light rims like Kinlin or so 'wavy', some of the lighter ones make using dials almost unworkable. Samo for non machined sidewall rims, like the old NOS, Campag rims I have in my garage.