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[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Meanwhile, I have a question for you guys. Recently read this Lennard Zinn post: http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/02/bikes-and-tech/technical-faq/technical-faq-building-wheels-and-keeping-them-covered_275991 about 24 hole rims with 32 hole hubs.

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I'm guessing you would just skip every 4th hole while lacing? Wouldn't that come up asymmetric?

Yes, the 4th hole is skipped so you have 12 a side, have done a lot of front track wheels like this. Even built Phil touring hubs with Zipp Rims (back when Zipp actually supported wheel builders), 48h rear hub/24h rim, 40/20 in the front. Makes for some interesting looking drillium only using half the holes.

 

[Boeing]

It's a wonder you like cycling at all GCep

 

[hiero2]

Yes, the 4th hole is skipped so you have 12 a side, have done a lot of front track wheels like this. Even built Phil touring hubs with Zipp Rims (back when Zipp actually supported wheel builders), 48h rear hub/24h rim, 40/20 in the front. Makes for some interesting looking drillium only using half the holes.

Does the tensioning come up uneven? Spoke length? I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around how this would work!

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Does the tensioning come up uneven? Spoke length? I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around how this would work!

Don't bother, they're a waste of time having the access to the parts we do now. An extra length was required per side with X patterns and you had to be very careful that you didn't get them mixed up, so you were doubling up the lengths you needed per wheel. Thankfully nobody needs to do this anymore now that all the hole counts are available.

 

[hiero2]

Thanks - that fits with what my brain tells me should be necessary to make it work.

I might have to do this, though - I have an old Cannondale trailer that I need to put new wheels on. I'm thinking a wheelchair hub will fit, but I'm not sure yet - haven't done that much real research as I haven't had time. It's been on the back burner as a project, but at some point, I will need to get 'er done.

But the thing that brought it to my attention is that the hole count for the current hubs and wheels is 24, I think. One of the issues that immediately came up when replacing the rims was that no rims (that I found in a search) in the current size had that number of holes. So, when I read this, it got my attention.

Maybe I won't have "to go there".

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

.....one of the issues that immediately came up when replacing the rims was that no rims (that I found in a search) in the current size had that number of holes. So, when I read this, it got my attention.

Maybe I won't have "to go there".

No, you should absolutely not have to go there. Curious, what are the dimensions of the rims you're wanting to replace?

 

[fujitourer]

So, I'm looking to put together a new wheelset for my wife - I'm building her up a new light tourer/day tripper/commuter.

At this point the only things decided are that the wheels are 700c, a Shutter Precision PV8 (28 holes) on the front, something dependable like a Deore LX hub on the back (32 holes), standard three-cross lacing.

Other than the needs already determined by all that, I'm looking for something that is:

1. Silver.
2. Fairly classic looking
3. Wide (will be running 28s)
4. Not too heavy (but don't have to be the lightest things around).

My initial searching has so far revealed the following options:

Velocity A23
H Plus Son Archetype
H Plus Son TB14
Pacenti PL23

Anything else I should be considering? Anything on my short list that I should take off?

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

So, I'm looking to put together a new wheelset for my wife - I'm building her up a new light tourer/day tripper/commuter.

At this point the only things decided are that the wheels are 700c, a Shutter Precision PV8 (28 holes) on the front, something dependable like a Deore LX hub on the back (32 holes), standard three-cross lacing.

Other than the needs already determined by all that, I'm looking for something that is:

1. Silver.
2. Fairly classic looking
3. Wide (will be running 28s)
4. Not too heavy (but don't have to be the lightest things around).

My initial searching has so far revealed the following options:

Velocity A23
H Plus Son Archetype
H Plus Son TB14
Pacenti PL23

Anything else I should be considering? Anything on my short list that I should take off?

Of those rims the TB14 would be my recommendation for their intended use. Lowest profile of your list, longer spokes for the build, in turn makes for the most comfortable ride. Double eyelets make for the easiest, and strongest build. H Plus Son's overall quality is better than Velocity. Can't comment on the Pacenti's because they're so new, but they only come in black.

 

[fujitourer]

Of those rims the TB14 would be my recommendation for their intended use. Lowest profile of your list, longer spokes for the build, in turn makes for the most comfortable ride. Double eyelets make for the easiest, and strongest build. H Plus Son's overall quality is better than Velocity. Can't comment on the Pacenti's because they're so new, but they only come in black.

Cheers for the input - now I just have to work out how feasible it is to the get the H Plus Son's in Australia - I know I can get the Velocity rims without a problem, so they can be the backup plan if it turns out to be too difficult.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Cheers for the input - now I just have to work out how feasible it is to the get the H Plus Son's in Australia - I know I can get the Velocity rims without a problem, so they can be the backup plan if it turns out to be too difficult.

H+Son are made in China so the shipping should be much cheaper for you than me. I just ordered stock from them for the season and you don't want to hear what my shipping cost was to the US. You can order direct from them right off their site.

 

[fujitourer]

H+Son are made in China so the shipping should be much cheaper for you than me. I just ordered stock from them for the season and you don't want to hear what my shipping cost was to the US. You can order direct from them right off their site.

Shipping to Australia from their site seems to be the same as to America. Postage is $35 for the first rim and $25 more for every one after that... $140 worth of rims becomes $200. That's a little steep.

That being said, I found them listed on an Australian website - $110 per rim before you even get to delivery.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Shipping to Australia from their site seems to be the same as to America. Postage is $35 for the first rim and $25 more for every one after that... $140 worth of rims becomes $200. That's a little steep.

That being said, I found them listed on an Australian website - $110 per rim before you even get to delivery.

Well, you get what you pay for. H+Son makes an overall better quality rim than Velocity, build and finish.
You can't substitute quality for volume of models and colors.

 

[LugHugger]

$650USD seems high using those hubs.

I'd bite the bullet, add 8 spokes(60 grams), use 24/28...use brass nipps and look for a DT 350 hubset( I think they come in 24h fronts).

Archtypes are nice but so are A23..and A23 now offset drilling rear(a good thing).

Still be in the 1450-1500 gram range..for somebody 82000 gram range(bike and rider, about), those less than 100 grams mean nada.

As for Veloplugs..if ya get a flat, and one pops out and ya lose it, you are SOL..Light rim strip, like Conti, better idea, IMHO.

So, I decided to buy the components then find a decent local builder to put them together. So far, I've managed to pick up a 32h White Industries H2/H3 hub combo. These will not be exclusively climbing wheels anymore but I'm still trying to minimise any fat on the wheels. I'm trying to decide on spoke and rims. Think I've made my mind up on Archetypes with Sapim Polyax brass nips but I'm stuck on choosing between Race and Laser spokes. Would appreciate any thoughts on appropriate choice for everyday wheels, flat to rolling chip and seal roads, rider weight 75-80kgs. Thanks again!

 

[Bustedknuckle]

So, I decided to buy the components then find a decent local builder to put them together. So far, I've managed to pick up a 32h White Industries H2/H2 hub combo. These will not be exclusively climbing wheels anymore but I'm still trying to minimise any fat on the wheels. I'm trying to decide on spoke and rims. Think I've made my mind up on Archetypes with Sapim Polyax brass nips but I'm stuck on choosing between Race and Laser spokes. Would appreciate any thoughts on appropriate choice for everyday wheels, flat to rolling chip and seal roads, rider weight 75-80kgs. Thanks again!

175 pounds, easy, use DT Revs or Sapim Laser front and non drive side rear. Use DT Comp or Sapim Race on drive side rear. Lace 3 cross thruout. Using brass Ployax or DT ProLock nipps a good idea.

 

[hiero2]

No, you should absolutely not have to go there. Curious, what are the dimensions of the rims you're wanting to replace?

They are 24" - but an odd size. Not common, I think it is like a 57 size code? It is like an old Schwinn size or something. I'd have to go out in back of the barn, where it is currently parked, to get more detail. I had to go to Sheldon Brown's old shop (Harris Cyclery) to find a set when I last bought tires. I didn't find any in any of the other lbs.

The axle, I'm pretty sure, is 1/2". I'm going to research wheelchair hubs and see if I can get a hit from that area. Then I can put on any 24" rims I can get, assuming I can get the wheelchair hubs with the same number of holes.

 

[hiero2]

. . .
The axle, I'm pretty sure, is 1/2". I'm going to research wheelchair hubs and see if I can get a hit from that area. Then I can put on any 24" rims I can get, assuming I can get the wheelchair hubs with the same number of holes.

On further research, I may skip that exercise. I can get new and used trailers for around $50, incl shipping, on ebay. And, this is not something I'm going to take on a century - a 5 mile ride with this will be a long one. I like the old seatpost hitch on the Cannondale - all the newer stuff seems to use the axle hitch. But the hitch is wearing out, too. Once I figured it will cost me close to $100 to build a set of wheels (figuring to grab some 24" rims at our trash depot, $50 for hubs, then spokes, and I'm up to $120-130), it doesn't seem necessarily worth the effort and cost.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

On further research, I may skip that exercise. I can get new and used trailers for around $50, incl shipping, on ebay. And, this is not something I'm going to take on a century - a 5 mile ride with this will be a long one. I like the old seatpost hitch on the Cannondale - all the newer stuff seems to use the axle hitch. But the hitch is wearing out, too. Once I figured it will cost me close to $100 to build a set of wheels (figuring to grab some 24" rims at our trash depot, $50 for hubs, then spokes, and I'm up to $120-130), it doesn't seem necessarily worth the effort and cost.

The sensible choice! Unless ENVE made 24" carbon rims.

 

[dsut4392]

The sensible choice! Unless ENVE made 24" carbon rims.

Could he even get 24" tubs to mount on them?

 

[SirLes]

After reading this thread for years I have finally got myself a set of handbuilt wheels.

I don't race but use my bike for training and then treat myself to trips to the alps or similar and try and fit in as many climbs as possible over a few days.

I wanted them to be my main wheelset and be reliable and robust but also efficient. I may not be racing but need to make the most of my feeble power output!

Anyway Stada in Lancing which is just down the road from me did the honours. They chose: H plus sons Archetype rims, sapim x ray spokes 24 radial front, 28 rear 2x lacing on Chris king r45 hubs. (I weigh 77kg at the moment going down to a little under 75 by the time I head to the mountains and over 80 around Christmas!)

Finally got out on them the last two days and they're lovely. Incredibly comfortable and smooth. I've been doing hill reps and I certainly get value for my efforts going up and feel very secure coming down although it would be nice if the temp was above zero.

I've gone for the all black look and they also look stunning

So, do the professional wheelbuilders on here approve?

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

After reading this thread for years I have finally got myself a set of handbuilt wheels.

I don't race but use my bike for training and then treat myself to trips to the alps or similar and try and fit in as many climbs as possible over a few days.

I wanted them to be my main wheelset and be reliable and robust but also efficient. I may not be racing but need to make the most of my feeble power output!

Anyway Stada in Lancing which is just down the road from me did the honours. They chose: H plus sons Archetype rims, sapim x ray spokes 24 radial front, 28 rear 2x lacing on Chris king r45 hubs. (I weigh 77kg at the moment going down to a little under 75 by the time I head to the mountains and over 80 around Christmas!)

Finally got out on them the last two days and they're lovely. Incredibly comfortable and smooth. I've been doing hill reps and I certainly get value for my efforts going up and feel very secure coming down although it would be nice if the temp was above zero.

I've gone for the all black look and they also look stunning

So, do the professional wheelbuilders on here approve?

Very nice! Don't want to beat the H+Son drum to death, but they really are making some of the nicest alloy rims you can get at the moment. They may not be the lightest or have a huge color palette to choose from, but the quality and consistency of QC is simply top notch. They take so much pride in their craftsmanship that each individual rim comes individually wrapped in..... yes, those are RIM BRAS!

 

[86TDFWinner]

Questions for the wheelbuilders here:

I'm buying a new road bike, I'm 6 ft 6 and 240(trying to get down to about 225-230), whats a good, solid, wheelset that I can buy(or have built) that will support my weight/size? More spoke count, what? I have about $700 to spend

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Questions for the wheelbuilders here:

I'm buying a new road bike, I'm 6 ft 6 and 240(trying to get down to about 225-230), whats a good, solid, wheelset that I can buy(or have built) that will support my weight/size? More spoke count, what? I have about $700 to spend

Edco Super G hubs, H Plus Son Archetype rims, Sapim Race spokes, 36h/3x rear - 32h/3x front BAM!

 

[M Sport]

Where online do you buy Edco Super G hubs from in the US? There site doesn't list any dealers.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Questions for the wheelbuilders here:

I'm buying a new road bike, I'm 6 ft 6 and 240(trying to get down to about 225-230), whats a good, solid, wheelset that I can buy(or have built) that will support my weight/size? More spoke count, what? I have about $700 to spend

shimano or Campagnolo?

shimano-6700 hubs, 36 hole, Velocity A23, DT 585, H+Son..DT Comp or Sapim Race spokes, laced 3 cross thruout, brass nipps, built well.

Campagnolo-Velocity or Miche hubs..same as above, rim wise.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Where online do you buy Edco Super G hubs from in the US? There site doesn't list any dealers.

I have some small stock of 32 and 36h hub sets with skewers. Been building with Edco hubs since 1999 back when they were owned by Sapim.