When is the smackdown on Chris Horner?

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thehog said:
No you were cited as modifying Honer's weight but leaving Froome's the same in a comparative study.

You know. Jigging the stats to fit a preconceived finding.

Next you'll tell us Pinotti said Horner was faster than Froome :rolleyes:
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Do you invent this nonsense intentionally or are your cognitive functions impaired?
 
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At a recent talk Horner said he was currently 62.5 kilos and was 62 kilos while racing. At the Vuelta he told everyone he was 65kg. Wonder why?
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Is there a link to this talk and his weight?

Not saying your wrong but I've not seen a reference to it. Be good to read up on what Horner said.
 
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thehog said:
Is there a link to this talk and his weight?

Not saying your wrong but I've not seen a reference to it. Be good to read up on what Horner said.
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After 12% slower than Mayo-gate, I would also like to see a link before I take his word for gospel.

Also, since my cognitive functions arent up to the excellent standards of Race Radio, maybe he could show the simple calculations as well?
 
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After 12% slower than Mayo-gate, I would also like to see a link before I take his word for gospel.

Also, since my cognitive functions arent up to the excellent standards of Race Radio, maybe he could show the simple calculations as well?
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The thing aout the 12% is that we all can make mistakes - i certainly do - but my issue is why was anyone comparing a Mayo TT time to a Froome time after 200 plus km of racing. That's what leads me to think there was an agenda.
That's the issue. Calculation mistakes can happen anyone.
 
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I know this has been thoroughly covered, but like a fine wine, it just gets better with time.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-horner-i-dont-believe-armstrong-cheated

June, 2012
“I don’t believe Armstrong has cheated in any way to win those victories and he’s gone through an insane amount of testing. Do we have pictures of it? Video or testing? Because without that you really don’t have anything.”
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“I’ve been in the sport for a long time so I’ve heard these rumours and seen this stuff in the press and seen these allegations. Now I’ve read it again and I think USADA could be spending a lot of money on testing with the riders currently racing. Lance has had a legendary, unbelievable career that has just been fantastic to watch and to see what he’s done for the sport and against cancer. The guys that are saying it [doping] I have an idea who they are, just like you do, and you just have to wonder, are they telling the truth or not? But it’s the same story I’ve been hearing for a long time. You can’t crucify someone on that.”
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“There’s so much more that the drug agencies can be doing with the tax payers’ money on cleaning the sport up from this point on,” he told Cyclingnews.
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thehog said:
Is there a link to this talk and his weight?

Not saying your wrong but I've not seen a reference to it. Be good to read up on what Horner said.
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Long time lurker here but I was at that same CH event last week and can confirm the weights quoted by RR.
 
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Granville57 said:
I know this has been thoroughly covered, but like a fine wine, it just gets better with time.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-horner-i-dont-believe-armstrong-cheated

June, 2012




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I get that the first two quotes look positively foolish in retrospect, and perhaps even disingenuous. BUT the inclusion of the third quote weakens your jab here... Wouldn't the third quote imply that he was looking for stronger controls going forward, where "going forward" would include precisely the GT he won a year-plus later?

I've long since given up having a dog in this hunt, but I just found your inclusion of the third quote interesting.
 
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53x11 in DC said:
BUT the inclusion of the third quote weakens your jab here...
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You can't be serious. :confused:

You mean the part where he parrots the worn-out and overused line about "tax payer's money"? He's essentially saying, "Don't look to the past, look to the future." :rolleyes:

He obviously wasn't then, nor is he now, worried about "stronger controls."

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Rideabout said:
Long time lurker here but I was at that same CH event last week and can confirm the weights quoted by RR.
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Thanks long time lurker. Good to have confirmation.

Information says what Horner actually said was that his race weight fluctuates between 62.5kg to 65kg not a steady 62kg.

Nevertheless he's still very skinny and still looks impossibly thin. Just like Froome.

Horner does himself no favours. I group them both together.
 
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thehog said:
Thanks long time lurker. Good to have confirmation.

Information says what Horner actually said was that his race weight fluctuates between 62.5kg to 65kg not a steady 62kg.

Nevertheless he's still very skinny and still looks impossibly thin. Just like Froome.

Horner does himself no favours. I group them both together.
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I dont really understand what this weight shedding is supposed to accomplish to be honest. Maybe Race Radio read the Walsh book and is convinced that Froome is now cleans?

But either way, even if we make Horner look like he is the new Riis, it doesnt make sense to me. If he was going that fast, he would put more than a mere 2% into the likes of Valverde on Pena Cabarga.
 
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I dont really understand what this weight shedding is supposed to accomplish to be honest. Maybe Race Radio read the Walsh book and is convinced that Froome is now cleans?

But either way, even if we make Horner look like he is the new Riis, it doesnt make sense to me. If he was going that fast, he would put more than a mere 2% into the likes of Valverde on Pena Cabarga.
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Well it was a comparative study between Froome. Chris Squared Thread.

By reducing Horner's weight from 65 to 62 meant his watts p/kg went up.

Then when comparing to Froome it was decided to take the Dawg's stated weight as virtue.

Then we the comparison was complete you could state that Horner Vuelta was faster than Froome Tour.

Now it was fairly clear Froome's weight just like Horner is not what he says it is.

So you know, what's the point when you "tip the scales" on one end to get the desired outcome?

Just becomes a pointless comparison. Then you had this guy Valverde who was decimated by Froome at the Tour in the Vuelta just behind Horner.

That's when it got silly when it was said Valverde Vuelta was stronger than Froome Tour.

And when Froome raced side by side against Horner and killed him it was dismissed as not part of baseline.

Similar to Horner's weight. Horner stated he was 62-65 at the recent talk during racing. But somehow it gets told as he said it was 62 only. Which is not what he said.

When you slant analysis like that the outcome just becomes a mess.

Nevertheless the analysis by some was excellent (FGL). I really enjoy crunching the numbers, gear ratio etc. But a lot of the data was taken out of context.

But all good fun. Horner will have his new team announced soon. So more in 2014.
 
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Horners has gotten rid of his useless agent.

"I was a big fan when he raced the Vuelta for the win", Cooke continued. "I was surprised he didn't get a contract. Now I hope I can save the day for him. I've contacted many teams and I got a lot of negative answers, either because their roster is already full or because they want younger riders only, but there are still some possibilities in the air in the World Tour. Ideally, he'd race in support of a Tour de France contender and defend his title at the Vuelta. He's in the best form of his entire career and he's the cheapest Grand Tour winner of the past decade."
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Europcar anyone?
 
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Granville57 said:
You can't be serious. :confused:

You mean the part where he parrots the worn-out and overused line about "tax payer's money"? He's essentially saying, "Don't look to the past, look to the future." :rolleyes:

He obviously wasn't then, nor is he now, worried about "stronger controls."

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I'm honestly confused here, and yes, I am serious. I'm not suggesting that he's not being disingenuous, BUT, the qoute you chose has him suggesting a reallocation of spend FROM investigating the past TO policing the future, a future of which he would be an active part. Simple as that.

Whether or not he thought could evade the allocation of additional resources in the future is not my point. Could very well be a "catch me if you can quote", or for those so inclined, evidence that he had nothing to hide.

No amount of "eye-rolling" or "confused" emoticons are going to change the fact that that specific quote, in context, could be interpretedly quite broadly, depending on what someone wanted to believe. I think it's pretty self-evident that the quote suggests that addressing the past is less fruitful than policing the future. Scarponi would have stopped (and effectively did recently) the quote without suggesting a reallocation to the future.

My simple point.
 
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