When is the smackdown on Chris Horner?

[roundabout]

By Horner's fdj standards Evans' 2004 was positively Merckxian

 

[IzzyStradlin]

What's crazy is that Horner is probably the most popular American cyclist....by far, among the 45-65 year old guy who only watches the Tour and spend the big bucks in the bike shop.

I'm still surprised that Specialized or Trek won't pay him for a year or two. He's the only famous American rider left.

But, Horner's always been very clear about his mercenary view of the sport. He rides for the highest $$$, that's it. So he never developed relationships with directors or teammates that could carry him if needed. Never developed personal relationships with sponsors. Burnt a lot of bridges. Now it's coming back to bite him.

 

[BroDeal]

What's crazy is that Horner is probably the most popular American cyclist....by far, among the 45-65 year old guy who only watches the Tour and spend the big bucks in the bike shop.

I'm still surprised that Specialized or Trek won't pay him for a year or two. He's the only famous American rider left.

But, Horner's always been very clear about his mercenary view of the sport. He rides for the highest $$$, that's it. So he never developed relationships with directors or teammates that could carry him if needed. Never developed personal relationships with sponsors. Burnt a lot of bridges. Now it's coming back to bite him.

Trek was willing to pay him but not what Horner was demanding. The team's manager confirmed the price was too high and the team decided a better use of the money was to hire younger riders. Bad for the team because I suspect Horner would have had a better GT result in 2014 than Andy Schleck if he had been hired.

Horner was always an outside in part because Armstrong did not want anyone on his teams if that rider could steal the American limelight from him.

 

[gregod]

Trek was willing to pay him but not what Horner was demanding. The team's manager confirmed the price was too high and the team decided a better use of the money was to hire younger riders. Bad for the team because I suspect Horner would have had a better GT result in 2014 than Andy Schleck if he had been hired.

Horner was always an outsider in part because Armstrong did not want anyone on his teams if that rider could steal the American limelight from him.

about horner being an outsider; i have no idea what his relationship with lance or anybody else was, but i remember a column that vaughters wrote in cycle sport where he said horner was the most athletically talented US rider, but didn't have what it took to be successful in europe. i remember wondering at the time if there was some subtext to his comments.

 

[IzzyStradlin]

There's probably a pretty long list of reasons Horner was a late bloomer in Europe.
Never wanted to live there
Always saw himself as the leader
Clashed with the other US alpha-dogs
Stubborn about diet/training

Given his rep, abstaining from PEDs would probably not be on that list.

He still doesn't want to live there, flies from the US to Euro races. I imagine his is a big downside to any Euro team, he just hasn't made himself available to race much in the past few years.

But still, he would be easily worth 4-500,000 for Trek or Specialized. Really must have blown it.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

There's probably a pretty long list of reasons Horner was a late bloomer in Europe.
Never wanted to live there
Always saw himself as the leader
Clashed with the other US alpha-dogs
Stubborn about diet/training

Given his rep, abstaining from PEDs would probably not be on that list.

He still doesn't want to live there, flies from the US to Euro races. I imagine his is a big downside to any Euro team, he just hasn't made himself available to race much in the past few years.

But still, he would be easily worth 4-500,000 for Trek or Specialized. Really must have blown it.

Sometimes you gotta think about taking an approach that opens doors, rather than one that closes them....

 

[DirtyWorks]

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But still, he would be easily worth 4-500,000 for Trek or Specialized. Really must have blown it.

By your own description, it seems like he didn't have a good marketing plan.

Winning the Vuelta as your ONLY racing certainly is not valuable based on the way the business of cycling is set up.

Just retire Chris. Do a horner fondo, "weekend with horner", etc. Oh wait, you don't market yourself well... Nevermind.

 

[BroDeal]

But still, he would be easily worth 4-500,000 for Trek or Specialized. Really must have blown it.

It seem he was asking Trek for three to four times that much. In euros.

Whoever his agent is, other riders should take caution.

 

[Race Radio]

At a recent talk Horner said he was currently 62.5 kilos and was 62 kilos while racing. At the Vuelta he told everyone he was 65kg. Wonder why?

 

[Scott SoCal]

Gotta get the w/kg down to believable levels.

 

[the sceptic]

But did he have a tailwind?

 

[gooner]

But did he have a tailwind?

Sigh.

At a recent talk Horner said he was currently 62.5 kilos and was 62 kilos while racing. At the Vuelta he told everyone he was 65kg. Wonder why?

Gazzetta had him at 6.83W/kg on Pena Cabarga. I was just looking again at their calculations and it would seem they had his weight at 64kg when coming to their conclusions. If he was 62kg at the time, then wow.

 

[Netserk]

Sigh.



Gazzetta had him at 6.83W/kg on Pena Cabarga. I was just looking again at their calculations and it would seem they had his weight at 64kg when coming to their conclusions. If he was 62kg at the time, then wow.

According to his srm data, he was 6,85 W/kg if he weighed 62kg.

 

[the sceptic]

Sigh.



Gazzetta had him at 6.83W/kg on Pena Cabarga. I was just looking again at their calculations and it would seem they had his weight at 64kg when coming to their conclusions. If he was 62kg at the time, then wow.

Is that evidence he was dopings then?

 

[Benotti69]

Is that evidence he was dopings then?

Just aswell the Spanish have cracked down on doping and cleaned out the country of all those dopers, local and non locals.

 

[thehog]

But did he have a tailwind?

Funny enough there was a very strong tailwind. And it's a straight line climb.

No bends like Ventoux.


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gazzetta-dello-sport-scrutinizes-horners-power-data-at-the-vuelta

 

[the sceptic]

Funny enough there was a very strong tailwind. And it's a straight line climb.

No bends like Ventoux.


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gazzetta-dello-sport-scrutinizes-horners-power-data-at-the-vuelta

Makes sense. If Horner was as mutant as the numbers indicate, then he would beat the likes of Valverde and Jrod with more than 20 seconds.

 

[Netserk]

Makes sense. If Horner was as mutant as the numbers indicate, then he would beat the likes of Valverde and Jrod with more than 20 seconds.

Or ''everyone' had good access during the Vuelta...

 

[thehog]

Makes sense. If Horner was as mutant as the numbers indicate, then he would beat the likes of Valverde and Jrod with more than 20 seconds.

Valverde rode faster at the Vuelta than Froome at the Tour

I'd probably just throw them all into a bucket called mutant. But Froomes is chief mutant leader. Leader of the mutants.

 

[GuyIncognito]

At a recent talk Horner said he was currently 62.5 kilos and was 62 kilos while racing. At the Vuelta he told everyone he was 65kg. Wonder why?

Funny how when he released the SRM data several people around here who are used to SRMs immediately pointed out he must be 62kg for that data to make sense and were shot down as haters

But hey, what do we know. We all came into the sport yesterday

 

[ChewbaccaD]

But did he have a tailwind?

Bravo good sir, BRAVO!!!

 

[DirtyWorks]

Funny how when he released the SRM data several people around here who are used to SRMs immediately pointed out he must be 62kg for that data to make sense and were shot down as haters

But hey, what do we know. We all came into the sport yesterday

That's not evidence he has doped. There are no facts as to what his weight was, so more anonymous trolling from haters like you, and you, and you waaaaay over there.

It was the cleanest peloton ever in 2013. I'm sorry you don't believe in hard work, miracles, and quitting In-n-Out Burgers.

Chris Horner IS never tested positive.

 

[Race Radio]

Funny how when he released the SRM data several people around here who are used to SRMs immediately pointed out he must be 62kg for that data to make sense and were shot down as haters

But hey, what do we know. We all came into the sport yesterday

Yup, we were accused of "Manipulating" his weight when all we did is use simple math.

 

[staubsauger]

Chris Horner isn't doping!
Chris Horner is pure natural talent!!!

 

[thehog]

Yup, we were accused of "Manipulating" his weight when all we did is use simple math.

No you were cited as modifying Honer's weight but leaving Froome's the same in a comparative study.

You know. Jigging the stats to fit a preconceived finding.

Next you'll tell us Pinotti said Horner was faster than Froome