When is the smackdown on Chris Horner?

[Bavarianrider]

7,1Watt/Kilo for Horner over 17 minutes. Not bad for the old guy

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Forza Horner!

At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised to see Salvatore Commesso making a comeback and setting a new best time up the Zoncolan.

 

[GuyIncognito]

I'm inclined to believe that's a little bit of an overestimate as the other GC guys weren't so far off Horner's pace. Isn't 6.7 completely out of line with what they've all been doing on the other stages?

There's the problem with most analysis of w/kg: You must take into account duration which a lot don't do. This was a 15 minute effort, it's about equivalent to 6w/kg over a 30km climb.
Even sprinters can do over 7w/kg...as long as the climb is short enough. It's all about w/kg compared to time, it always baffles me how people forget that

That's an aside on analysis of w/kg though, as this particular performance is of course blatantly over the top doping of course

 

[Bavarianrider]

Wait, did Horner just do 6.7w/kg? Is that calculation real?

If the data of the climb are corrected, than it's way more than 6,7Watt/Kilo.

ca 7 Watt/Kilo

 

[Hugh Januss]

It's a short effort at low altitude, so it's not that surprising.

Must have had his own personal tailwind.
From the Department of Conspiracy Theory department: What if McQuaid's reaction to Cookson has been to simply put the word out that for a limited time everybody will be able to get away with what Sky has been doing.

 

[Winterfold]

I wouldnt get too upset about W/kg - that climb is short so it is a VO2Max effort for 5-10 minutes of it. You cant directly compare it to threshold W/kg ie 45-60 minute efforts.

You can get upset about him beating Purito's record, Froome in 2011, clearly taking the P155 etc etc

 

[EnacheV]

7,1Watt/Kilo for Horner over 17 minutes. Not bad for the old guy

i bolded the significant part for you

lets open the gates of the dam of tears

 

[del1962]

The peloton appears to have gone full genius, and I believe the Clinic predicted this development after Belles Filles last year. Hate to bring up Sky, but seriously, much of the blame is on them. Racist cycling fans and journalists have their fair share as well.

Those damn Brits, cycling would have been forever clean if it wasn't for those guys

I say we burn an image of Churchill

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

The peloton appears to have gone full genius, and I believe the Clinic predicted this development after Belles Filles last year. Hate to bring up Sky, but seriously, much of the blame is on them. Racist cycling fans and journalists have their fair share as well.

If the peloton has gone full genius how on earth can a 41 year old who has never finished top 8 in a Grand Tour before crush everyone like that? Makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[GuyIncognito]

I say we burn an image of Churchill

The brits already burned the real one a long time ago

 

[proffate]

There's the problem with most analysis of w/kg: You must take into account duration which a lot don't do. This was a 15 minute effort, it's about equivalent to 6w/kg over a 30km climb.

CP15 is pretty close to an FTP effort (~93%), and this is at the end of a long stage at the tail end of a hard GT, so his performance should be sub-optimal, i.e. closer to actual FTP.

I have no idea what you mean by a 30km climb, is that 30km of 15% which takes 2 hours to complete or 30km at 4% which takes one hour? How did you come to the conclusion of equivalency to 6 w/kg?

 

[Bavarianrider]

Vayer reacts!


En 16'43sec Horner bat le record de la montée de plus de 15sec!!! Watts mutants. AMAZING!

Froome et Cobo en 2011: 17min16s, 473 watts étalon. Horner 16min 44!!!

 

[Red Rick]

If the peloton has gone full genius how on earth can a 41 year old who has never finished top 8 in a Grand Tour before crush everyone like that? Makes no sense whatsoever.

This,

GT's aren't fun if only one team/riders goes full genius. At least the Rasmussen/Contador battle was exciting to watch

 

[EnacheV]

Vayer reacts!


En 16'43sec Horner bat le record de la montée de plus de 15sec!!! Watts mutants. AMAZING!

Froome et Cobo en 2011: 17min16s, 473 watts étalon. Horner 16min 44!!!

Vayer the pilar of morality and scientific perfection. To bad nobody takes him seriously except a little group of extreme haters.

And isnt Nibali also beating that record to? Was 25 secs behind Horner

MUTANT OMG

but wait, Nibali has panache

smart and calm people would think that it has to do more with climatic conditions at the race day, when a mediocre Nibali beats Froome/Cobo time

also, this is proof that climbing times are irrelevant

 

[Winterfold]

CP15 is pretty close to an FTP effort (~93%), and this is at the end of a long stage at the tail end of a hard GT, so his performance should be sub-optimal, i.e. closer to actual FTP.

I have no idea what you mean by a 30km climb, is that 30km of 15% which takes 2 hours to complete or 30km at 4% which takes one hour? How did you come to the conclusion of equivalency to 6 w/kg?

Generally I have little time for W/kg calcs as they are riddled with assumption, but if he is 93% (there is a lot of variance on CP20 vs Threshold) then it is equivalent to about 6.2~6.3 W/kg...

What there isn't any assumption about it is the time, 30s faster than 2011 when the obviously clean Froome and Cobo were battering each other into the ground.

 

[Alphabet]

And isnt Nibali also beating that record to? Was 25 secs behind Horner

No, Nibali finished 9 seconds behind the (previous) record ascent.

That he put 7 seconds into the Froome/Cobo time is meaningless when Horner puts 32 seconds into them. At the age of 41.

 

[Netserk]

Vayer the pilar of morality and scientific perfection. To bad nobody takes him seriously except a little group of extreme haters.

And isnt Nibali also beating that record to? Was 25 secs behind Horner

MUTANT OMG

but wait, Nibali has panache

smart and calm people would think that it has to do more with climatic conditions at the race day, when a mediocre Nibali beats Froome/Cobo time

also, this is proof that climbing times are irrelevant

There's a thread dedicated to Nibali here in the clinic, where his performances can be discussed. This thread is about Horner.

 

[BroDeal]

If the peloton has gone full genius how on earth can a 41 year old who has never finished top 8 in a Grand Tour before crush everyone like that? Makes no sense whatsoever.

It makes as much sense as a sh!t rider who his own team manager rated as the worst on the team suddenly coming in second at the Vuelta. Actually it makes a lot more sense since Horner could always climb well. He was not paperboying up climbs or holding onto motorcycles to get to the top.

 

[red_flanders]

I'm inclined to believe that's a little bit of an overestimate as the other GC guys weren't so far off Horner's pace. Isn't 6.7 completely out of line with what they've all been doing on the other stages?

I would love to see the same analysis for the other GT riders today. I'm sure they'll show up as clean as well.

 

[hfer07]

So.. the first 41 y.o. cyclist to mock the world by winning a Grand Tour....
sh!t man - this is just shameful...

 

[sniper]

Vayer reacts!


En 16'43sec Horner bat le record de la montée de plus de 15sec!!! Watts mutants. AMAZING!

Froome et Cobo en 2011: 17min16s, 473 watts étalon. Horner 16min 44!!!

comentators prior to the climb said horner was disadvantaged because he didn't know the climb.
how important is it these days to "know a climb".
if it were important, belkin wouldn't be training in girona in preparation for Giro and TdF.

 

[EnacheV]

no, nibali finished 9 seconds behind the (previous) record ascent.

16'44" +25" = 17'09" < 17'16"

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

It makes as much sense as a sh!t rider who his own team manager rated as the worse on the team suddenly coming in second at the Vuelta. Actually it makes a lot more sense since Horner could always climb well. He was not paperboying up climbs or holding onto motorcycles to get to the top.

What on earth has that got to do with anything?

 

[Alphabet]

Can people actually wrap their heads around that? 41. Forty one. He's the best part of 20 years older than Thibaut Pinot and he's destroying him.

 

[Ferminal]

16'44" +25" = 17'09" < 17'16"

May want to check Rodriguez 2010.