When is the smackdown on Chris Horner?

[BYOP88]

Why does someone have to state the mechanism? People just get old. Here is a list of TDF winners and the age they won their tours.

http://www.letour.fr/2012/TDF/HISTO/us/palmares.html

If you look at the list, 34 the age that Evans was is pretty old. Riis was considered old at 32. Zoetemelk was very old at 34. The Great Eddy Merckx won his last Tour de France at 29. I don't know why this even needs to be contested. If you assume that every pro starts their career when they are 18, Horner was then won a grand tour 44% further into his career than the oldest TDF winner. It is pretty ridiculous.

That list is lacking Brad 'I'm cool and hard, unless a tougher boy shows up' Wiggins who was the same age as Riis. I don't recall the cycling press saying that Wiggins was too old to win a GT.

 

[Scott SoCal]

The comments under the article on Horner's "victory" on cyclingnews.com main page are depressing.

It's like 2007 all over again.

Same same same arguments used against people who are suspicious about a 42 year old winning an extremely difficult edition of a 3 week grand tour.

I'm depressed. This sport is stupid.

The sport is beautiful. The machine is beautiful.

Some/most of the participants are stupid.

 

[Scott SoCal]

lawn bowling is the shiznit

They f'ing cheat there like you would never believe.

 

[PosterBill]

6 seconds faster then Contador on the Angliru... yea


Also beats a young guy like Nibali in a 17 minute effort which he should clearly struggle in since his V02 max should have gone down.

Lots of those 2007-10 times are falling across the board. What was Rod's time up that climb? He couldn't have been far off that Contador time, same with Valverde and Nibali...all these guys were within reach of that time. How often is Angliru included in the Vuelta? I am honestly asking because I don't know the sample size you have. How about the weather conditions for Angliru during those times. It's not a freaking time trial up that thing. Consider different racing strategies teams use and the fact that riders make there move on different parts of the mountain.
These time comparisons are presented like they are gospel when it's far from it IMHO.

Nibali should be experiencing a major drop off in performance with the amount of racing he's done this year. It doesn't surprise me that his best days were in the early half of the Vuelta and that he dramatically tailed off in the later. I don't think Nibs is the best judge to go off of because of his Tour combo's this year.

 

[Fatclimber]

In the 263 grand tours preceeding this one (67 Vueltas, 96 Giros, 100 Tours), the oldest winner was 36 (in 1922). Horner beats that by 5 years. I can't simply dismiss this fact and abandon any skepticism. Just like armstrong's recent reasoning, you'd have to be stupid to think he was clean.

It was an amazing display of pharmaceuticals, especially on a 41 year old body.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

They f'ing cheat there like you would never believe.

by wearing get up like this ?

 

[Zweistein]

That list is lacking Brad 'I'm cool and hard, unless a tougher boy shows up' Wiggins who was the same age as Riis. I don't recall the cycling press saying that Wiggins was too old to win a GT.

No one was talking about him winning 4 more and Wiggins himself like a month ago said that he probably won't be making another run at the Tdf GC and that Froome has passed him.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/jun/21/bradley-wiggins-never-ride-tour-de-france-again

 

[BroDeal]

In the 263 grand tours preceeding this one (67 Vueltas, 96 Giros, 100 Tours), the oldest winner was 36 (in 1922). Horner beats that by 5 years. I can't simply dismiss this fact and abandon any skepticism. Just like armstrong's recent reasoning, you'd have to be stupid to think he was clean.

It was an amazing display of pharmaceuticals, especially on a 41 year old body.

I don't think you are taking into account how hard Horner works and the cutting edge training he does. Americans have always been at the vanguard of training going right back to LeMond. The Europeans are stuck in their hidebound ways. They refuse to embrace the modern science of training.

 

[131313]

I don't think you are taking into account how hard Horner works and the cutting edge training he does. Americans have always been at the vanguard of training going right back to LeMond. The Europeans are stuck in their hidebound ways. They refuse to embrace the modern science of training.

Just wait until he stops using that archaic SRM softare and starts using CyclingPeaks. That and a swim coach, dude will be unstoppable.

 

[Fatclimber]

I don't think you are taking into account how hard Horner works and the cutting edge training he does. Americans have always been at the vanguard of training going right back to LeMond. The Europeans are stuck in their hidebound ways. They refuse to embrace the modern science of training.

You're right, I have not considered it. Mostly because I'm not aware of it, except for his beets. Also because I doubt he works harder than the rest of the pro's. please enlighten me.

 

[Hugh Januss]

The sport is beautiful. The machine is beautiful.

Some/most of the participants are stupid.

A lot of the fans are not rocket scientists either.

 

[roundabout]

You're right, I have not considered it. Mostly because I'm not aware of it, except for his beets. Also because I doubt he works harder than the rest of the pro's. please enlighten me.

A big mac on a rest day is instant 10 watts.

 

[lemoogle]

You're right, I have not considered it. Mostly because I'm not aware of it, except for his beets. Also because I doubt he works harder than the rest of the pro's. please enlighten me.

Pretty sure he was kidding/making a skyjoke. That's usually the arguments skyfans have about team sky and the brits

 

[Fatclimber]

Pretty sure he was kidding/making a skyjoke. That's usually the arguments skyfans have about team sky and the brits

Gotcha. I would have caught it if he mentioned cadence. Plus, I thought Bro had been defending him lately.

 

[TheGame]

Lots of those 2007-10 times are falling across the board. What was Rod's time up that climb? He couldn't have been far off that Contador time, same with Valverde and Nibali...all these guys were within reach of that time. How often is Angliru included in the Vuelta? I am honestly asking because I don't know the sample size you have. How about the weather conditions for Angliru during those times. It's not a freaking time trial up that thing. Consider different racing strategies teams use and the fact that riders make there move on different parts of the mountain.
These time comparisons are presented like they are gospel when it's far from it IMHO.
.

Google is your friend.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alto_de_L'Angliru

1999, 2000, 2002, 2008, 2011, 2013

So six times in 15 years, approximately every other year.

 

[Zweistein]

I don't think you are taking into account how hard Horner works and the cutting edge training he does. Americans have always been at the vanguard of training going right back to LeMond. The Europeans are stuck in their hidebound ways. They refuse to embrace the modern science of training.

Yeah, that is Borysewicz and Brunyeel were brought over from Europe.

There really hasn't been any validation to "American training". Carmicheal is a moron. All of Lance's wins have been wiped. Levi doped. Hincapie head that keeps growing. New age training and cadence stuff is just cover for better dope. Friel's periodization training while good was nothing new. If by modern training you mean develop methods to dope and not test positive, then I would agree.

 

[TheGame]

Even Jens Voigt, who was on the riders delegation during this years tdf, was against release of the retested positive samples from 1998 TDF. Anyone want to guess who wore the mountain jersey during that tour and would have been tested?

Incorrect. Only the wearer of the Maillot Jaune was tested in 1998 and 1999. He was however tested for finishing on the podium on stage 9. (Co-incidentally the day he took the KOM, but they did not test jersey holders)

 

[Scott SoCal]

Just wait until he stops using that archaic SRM softare and starts using CyclingPeaks. That and a swim coach, dude will be unstoppable.

Maybe, but he won't be **** until he gets an IM tattoo on his calf.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Bump.

Is the Froome juice expensive/exotic/very delicate to administer?
Are RS supplying/financing only Horner, a total PR disaster? Why?
If not, can Horner pick up his own tab? How?

Who the f**k are you? <- I can ask my own questions.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Just wait until he stops using that archaic SRM softare and starts using CyclingPeaks. That and a swim coach, dude will be unstoppable.

You forgot motor pacing up climbs...just ask M. Creed...it's the new "busting my *** 6 hours a day, what are you on."

 

[Juan Speeder]

IF Horner, Contador, Valverde, Purito, Porte, Roche, Froome all don't have a chance at winning a GT without doping. Can someone please tell me who can?
I'd really like to know.
Is there anyone, a single cyclist who you would think is capable of winning a GT in an Utopian clean peloton?

Winners are dopers. Full stop.

At least that's what I gather from this forum.

 

[BYOP88]

Winners are dopers. Full stop.

At least that's what I gather from this forum.

Nope, Greg was a winner and is clean.

 

[BroDeal]

Yeah, that is Borysewicz and Brunyeel were brought over from Europe.

There really hasn't been any validation to "American training". Carmicheal is a moron. All of Lance's wins have been wiped. Levi doped. Hincapie head that keeps growing. New age training and cadence stuff is just cover for better dope. Friel's periodization training while good was nothing new.

Altitude training, dude. It's new. It's modern. It's something that people from small islands that are little more than speed bumps sticking out of the ocean are unaware of. Look into it.

Horner spent a week racing in the mountains of Utah. It is almost the perfect place for such training, which can be done there without the distractions of alcohol and good times that plague other regions. The only thing one has to worry about is being sucked into a multi-level marketing scheme.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

If you assume that every pro starts their career when they are 18, Horner was then won a grand tour 44% further into his career than the oldest TDF winner. It is pretty ridiculous.

Horner started his pro career at 24-25

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

please enlighten me.

Can't light a candle that has no wick, buddy.