I like Chris,D-Queued said:Ok, then I'll say it instead. Just to make sure it is on the record.
Horner is doping.
Dave.
its like looking in a mirror
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I like Chris,D-Queued said:Ok, then I'll say it instead. Just to make sure it is on the record.
Horner is doping.
Dave.
RiccoDinko said:I gotta say, I love Chris Horner, Cheesburgers & Smiles, chase it down with some Beet Root Juice.. Giro & Vuelta this year, the double.
webvan said:So far so good for Horner in terms of the so called "smackdown"...hope he shows good form at TA ;-)
i expect chris orner to be hawesomeBenotti69 said:I expect Horner to top 5 if not podium at TA.
FoxxyBrown1111 said:(1) You lie to yourself. I asked you at least twice now, how can CH beat or come close to the doping record times? How can he push the highest W/Kg now at age 40+?
I know why you ignore it, b/c if you would really think of it you would come to the only possible conclusion: CH is doping.
(2) Just wow! You blame the fans/critics/observers? Omg!... We believed in the riders after every scandal. But once it was enough. I think even you should get that: Blame the riders for this situation.
Master50 said:For CH to be a doper there needs to be evidence that meets the criteria. there isn't.
DirtyWorks said:Haha. There's evidence. "Never tested positive" has multiple meanings as a result. Chris is never tested positive.
Master50 said:By what mechanism?.....................................................
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Benotti69 said:You sure aint the master of logic, jeez, 42 winning a GT and a Vuelta with the Spanish Armada all doped on home territory aint done on bread and water.
But as they say CH 'never tested positive', but then neither did Armstrong, Millar, Riis, Pantani, Virenque, Valverde, Scarponi and the list goes on and on and on and on and on............
DirtyWorks said:Haha. There's evidence. "Never tested positive" has multiple meanings as a result. Chris is never tested positive.
Benotti69 said:You sure aint the master of logic, jeez, 42 winning a GT and a Vuelta with the Spanish Armada all doped on home territory aint done on bread and water.
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I believe he won on Cheeseburgers an Soda Pop
Ok, if CH beat a juiced field with stronger team support, what is the beef?
He just beating them at their own game, right?
Benotti69 said:You sure aint the master of logic, jeez, 42 winning a GT and a Vuelta with the Spanish Armada all doped on home territory aint done on bread and water.
RiccoDinko said:I believe he won on Cheeseburgers an Soda Pop
Ok, if CH beat a juiced field with stronger team support, what is the beef?
He just beating them at their own game, right?
Benotti69 said:You sure aint the master of logic, jeez, 42 winning a GT and a Vuelta with the Spanish Armada all doped on home territory aint done on bread and water.
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I believe he won on Cheeseburgers an Soda Pop
Ok, if CH beat a juiced field with stronger team support, what is the beef?
He just beating them at their own game, right?
blackcat said:I like Chris,
its like looking in a mirror
blackcat said:respect.
i luve horner, big fan of horner and his new manager booke caden
blackcat said:i expect chris orner to be hawesome
Master50 said:By what mechanism? EPO? his HC is not that high. I have heard it does not drop as fast as one doctor says but he only says suspicious.
No one is saying you should not have suspicions but they are suspicions and not proof. For CH to be a doper there needs to be evidence that meets the criteria. there isn't. All they can do is watch him and if they don't catch him he is innocent under the rules. These are facts that stand up in a sports court. You have not provided evidence of doping that can result in a ban and I am sure they are trying.
As for blaming fans/critics/observers? why exactly did I say that you arrive at that conclusion? I want accountability for your accusations. Just provide proof if you are going to declare anyone a cheater otherwise stick to inference. I believe. or to me this is unbelievable.
DirtyWorks said:RiccoDinko said:A little more detailed follow-up to Benotti's post above:
There's no more "game" if viewers simply accept doping. The competition changes from on the course (as defined by some rules that might be enforced) to secret doping protocols. If the federation continues to permit doping then it's just entertainment wrestling. That's okay, but don't pretend it's a sport and a game is being played with a random outcome.
And then there are the other consequences. Revisit the story of Tammy Thomas. The American federation was perfectly okay with the steroid doping, until they weren't. And now? http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/cycling/2013/03/01/doping-scandal-haunts-tammy-thomas/1958053/
RiccoDinko said:Thanks for sharing, that is a scary read. I thought that stuff about growing beards was a myth, guess not.
The more I dig into cycling racing, the more I realize it is entertainment. I think there's competition, it's not fully rigged like WWE, but it's not a fair race.
DirtyWorks said:I don't know. Horner makes it pretty close to the WWE at this point.
Kind of the opposite though as the male riders are extremely thin for months and can produce enormous power without racing. This is unlike any other time in the history of cycling. Seems legit.
If the doping were controlled, then maybe other issues like fixing races and in-race shenanigans can be addressed.
RiccoDinko said:Horner has been a solid racer the majority of his career, just riddled with team politics, injuries, lack of team support.
RiccoDinko said:Horner has been a solid racer the majority of his career...
DirtyWorks said:If you are willing to forgive the doping, then I'm not sure what expectations you can have about any grand tour. It'll be won from the doctor's bag of dope and the federation's cooperation, or lack thereof.
Some of us would rather not have that be the game and instead prefer to see human-scale performance. Unless you watch old footage, it's impossible to know what that looks like. It's very exciting. Horner's performances are not that....
RiccoDinko said:Horner has been a solid racer the majority of his career, just riddled with team politics, injuries, lack of team support.
FoxxyBrown1111 said:Cute summary of what you repeat now and then....
But what has this post to do with my quotes?
... You also didn´t answer my Qs, again...
DirtyWorks said:If you are willing to forgive the doping, then I'm not sure what expectations you can have about any grand tour. It'll be won from the doctor's bag of dope and the federation's cooperation, or lack thereof.
Some of us would rather not have that be the game and instead prefer to see human-scale performance. Unless you watch old footage, it's impossible to know what that looks like. It's very exciting. Horner's performances are not that....
FoxxyBrown1111 said:Yeah, the team support went so low , that he couldn´t even keep up with the clean riders like Casar and Moncoutie... Leaving europe with almost no wins and no contract (on best sporting age!) his first stint....
And then he comes back for a 2nd round and starts winning at age 35+...
I don´t understand how people can fall in the same trap again, after Armstrong happend...
Man, admit it, Horners story stinks even more than Armstrongs.
He is just a hardcore doper. No more, no less...