Where is Quintana?

[meat puppet]

So in conclusion he just should have gone to teide and tweeted about no tests and not eating carbs.Thats the cleans way.

When froome tried to out nibali last year, he was obviously aware about his increased abilities. Maybe something similar is behind this incident with quintana.

 

[Archibald]

and how do we know that Froome was actually in Italy?
hotel didn't allow the testers up to the room because he wasn't even there...
he was in Tasmania with LRP n family the whole time - just as accessible as Colombia for the vampires...

"No Mister WADA man, Chris is not here right now. He's with Richie doing a 600km pub ride"

 

[franic]

What sort of monitoring can be done there? Remember when Rasmusen was missing and guess where he was? In Mexico.

LOL. The reason Rasmussen got busted was literally that he wasn't in Mexico, but in northern Italy, probably the sketchiest place in the cycling world in terms of doping, if you find ranking these things at all helpful (as history has proven, you can really dope anywhere you want to). Also, conveniently close to where Lo Squalo trains.

Italy has actually one of the toughest anti doping law in the World nowadays. If you don't believe me, ask Sandro Donati who is the guy who busted Conconi and Ferrari. Italy used to be the best place for dopers in the 80\90s.
I guess it should be clear from the fact that, after having dominated one day races, there's no Italian winner in a Classic since Gasparotto's Amstel if you exclude Paolini at Gent Wevelgem few months ago.

Ferrari never stopped working. Plenty of Italians continue to dope. Plenty have been caught in recent times, whether that has been detrimental to winning, hard to say.

-Ferrari never stopped working: yes, so what? Ferrari used to dope people on Teide
-Plenty of Italians continue to dope: yes, like plenty of Spanish, French, Germans etc…
-Plenty have been caught: first of all, if you catch people it may be because there are many dopers or you have particularly good law enforcement. I don’t have the data now, but it would be interesting to see stats for the past 5 years.

 

[No_Balls]

Surely, nothing to see here when a Movistar rider isolates himself at his home thousands of kilometers from where the usual suspects gathers en masse. He is a good colombian and climbing is in their blood right?

 

[JimmyFingers]

Seems legit for a rider to go back home to see family after spending months in Europe. Not sure why Nibali needed to make an issue of it.

 

[The Hitch]

[quote="No_Balls". He is a good colombian and climbing is in their blood right?[/quote]I think it's in some of his blood.

 

[Eagle]

What did Nibali actually say? Anyone have a link to the quotes?

 

[IndianCyclist]

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There is absolutely nothing to prevent Quintana to stay where he wants. The obvious choice for him is his home, with his family especially with new born baby. It would be crazy to say that he has to stay away for the purpose of testing. It the duty of the testers to be where the riders are and not the other way around.
Another aspect is with the family he is unlikely to be supremely focused on training or food prepared by a nutritionist to maintain weight at optimum levels like Sky. Therefore he would be actually losing instead of gaining much.
As far as doping enablers go, most successful dopers have had brilliant doping doctors like Conconi or Ferrari associated with them and guess where those are found. In the good old hi tech cities, in Europe and not in some mountains in Columbia. Therefore inspite of testing, doping would be easier in Teide or Tenerife or Etna than in Boyaca.

 

[No_Balls]

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One would think you'd heard everything before the necessity of a "high tech city" in order to dope was invented.

Hitch: lol.

 

[SeriousSam]

I think Quintana objects to characterising Colombia, or his family, as poor. Pretty sure they have tech like syringes there.

 

[Eagle]

Nibali was asked about this in his interview

“I’m sorry if Quintana was angry or offended. My intention was not to speak badly of Colombia, which is a wonderful country with a lot of great riders who are riding very strongly,” Nibali said. “It’s just that there was no news of Quintana and we were all asking ourselves about where he was, but not in a malicious way. We knew that Alberto was training in Livigno and where all the other contenders were and so on, I just meant ‘let’s see where Quintana is',"

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nibali-plays-down-quintana-comments-ahead-of-tour-de-france

 

[Jancouver]

All this meaningless talk about Quintana's whereabouts.

We all know Piti is the Movistar leader and Quintana will get screwed over and over as long Piti is around.

So training in Colombia does not make any difference unless he is training how to bend over and take it in the A$$.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Reading about Nibs comments on the whereabouts of Quintana. Its a very valid query. Why should Quintana go to Columbia to train? I have asked this question several times on why it is allowed. Sorry but Columbia does not exactly have a great reputation on drugs or law and order. What sort of monitoring can be done there? Remember when Rasmusen was missing and guess where he was? In Mexico.

Its not country bias, its just the facts, its not fair that say someone who comes from Greenland can go during the season to Greenland and train, saying he misses home. While Froome can go to a hotel in Europe for a time with family and get a doping check. Not saying there isn't a WADA group in Columbia but I have little confidence in the reliability again given the country history on drugs, corruption and respect of law and order.

I have said that UCI should specify where a cyclist can go or not go during the season. Nothing wrong with missing your family for a few weeks or months. you can go back and visit once in a while. It comes with the job. Consultants travel all over the world, missing family and friends. And that is cycling, if you want a 9 to 5 job in one location where you see family and friends then select another job, not cycling.

 

[Night Rider]

Reading about Nibs comments on the whereabouts of Quintana. Its a very valid query. Why should Quintana go to Columbia to train? I have asked this question several times on why it is allowed. Sorry but Columbia does not exactly have a great reputation on drugs or law and order. What sort of monitoring can be done there? Remember when Rasmusen was missing and guess where he was? In Mexico.

Yeah, let's bring in a new rule. Colombian riders may not live at home and train :eyeroll:

 

[Escarabajo]

Talked to some friends from Boyacá today. Asked about Quintana and they are all so excited. They told me that everybody knows where he is and trains. Combita is like a suburb of Tunja. He goes to Plaza de Bolivar and is exposed to the public all the time. Very humble guy talking to the public all the time. If you are a tester just go to Tunja and ask where he is.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza_de_Bol%C3%ADvar_(Tunja)

 

[Arnout]

Reading about Nibs comments on the whereabouts of Quintana. Its a very valid query. Why should Quintana go to Columbia to train? I have asked this question several times on why it is allowed. Sorry but Columbia does not exactly have a great reputation on drugs or law and order. What sort of monitoring can be done there? Remember when Rasmusen was missing and guess where he was? In Mexico.

Its not country bias, its just the facts, its not fair that say someone who comes from Greenland can go during the season to Greenland and train, saying he misses home. While Froome can go to a hotel in Europe for a time with family and get a doping check. Not saying there isn't a WADA group in Columbia but I have little confidence in the reliability again given the country history on drugs, corruption and respect of law and order.

I have said that UCI should specify where a cyclist can go or not go during the season. Nothing wrong with missing your family for a few weeks or months. you can go back and visit once in a while. It comes with the job. Consultants travel all over the world, missing family and friends. And that is cycling, if you want a 9 to 5 job in one location where you see family and friends then select another job, not cycling.

Before putting out multiple generalizations about a country first learn to spell it.

 

[Tangled Tango]

What a ridiculous thread. He has a young child, wife and family in Colombia. His rivals train at altitude in Spain and he decides to do the same but in Colombia where he can spend time with his family who he likely hasn't seen in several months and train at the same time. Why should he be denied the opportunity to be with his family because he isn't from any of the European nations?

Completely agree! Quintana´s home is in the ideal terrain for high level endurance training. The kind of terrain other cyclist and teams pay a barrel load of travel money to train, isolated from friends and family.

Nibali should keep his mouth shut. He is riding with the dirtiest team since USPS, which just decided to leave the MPCC rather than loose Lars Boom due to low Cort. levels. So Astana almost losing their license and under suspicion has now left the Movement for Credible Cycling. Doesn´t that say everything...........and Nibali questions Quitana. What a load of &%$/((&/%&!!!!! I´m not saying Quintana is clean as I don´t know the answer, but Nibali is the last person who should be questioning anyone on that score.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Quintana races Sud again instead of the more common warmups.

- How great is the advantage training in altitude?
- Are you being tested less in Colombia?
- How much easier is it to manipulate blood values/blood levels in the heights if any? (i don't know much about it)

Apart from the fact that he needs to say with his family, training in Colombia must give him some advantages when he decides to say for so long (2013 - no race, 2015 - Sud, 2016 - Sud). Just curious what the sceptics and cynics say about it.

 

[gospina]

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Quintana races Sud again instead of the more common warmups.

- How great is the advantage training in altitude?
- Are you being tested less in Colombia?
- How much easier is it to manipulate blood values/blood levels in the heights if any? (i don't know much about it)

Apart from the fact that he needs to say with his family, training in Colombia must give him some advantages when he decides to say for so long (2013 - no race, 2015 - Sud, 2016 - Sud). Just curious what the sceptics and cynics say about it.

or, you know, he trains near where he grew up and lives. The real question is why doesn't more teams train in Colombia and continue to train in Europe? I know Ben King does, some other americans, but c'mon. There are at least 5-10 climbs that are longer than anything in Europe, altitude much higher than Europe as well. Food is good, temperature is good..
makes no sense why they stay in Europe. Facts are that most doping has occurred in Italy, France and Spain, so why are teams allowed to train there? We know where Armstrong comes from, so US is clearly tainted as well.
That is the elephant in the room. We know Europe is bad, we know US is bad, so why do riders continue to go back there to train?

 

[fmk_RoI]

Michael Rasmussen
@MRasmussen1974

Meanwhile @NairoQuinCo looks like a distant relative to the guy how climb Alpe d'huez in 39.25 in @LeTour 2015. Hacksawed to pieces.

4:23 pm - 16 Jul 2017

Unlike Pierre Brambilla, I'm betting that bike wasn't buried in the garden. It was incinerated.

 

[Escarabajo]

Well, in other scenario you would have a point!

 

[Escarabajo]

I thought there is another thread about Quintana discussing similar things. We should merge the two.

 

[RedheadDane]

Last time I checked he was in France...

 

[Irondan]

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Last time I checked he was in France...

Is this like a "where's waldo" thread?

Last I checked, he was in France but Froome was a heck uv a lot closer to Paris than Quintana is....

 

[RedheadDane]

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Last time I checked he was in France...

Is this like a "where's waldo" thread?

Last I checked, he was in France but Froome was a heck uv a lot closer to Paris than Quintana is....

I'm not going to head to France with a measuring tape...