Whispers

[D-Queued]

http://ca.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idCATRE6BK08N20101221

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What the haters here, for instance the hog, dQ etc. is tar and feather Armstrong, douse him with gasoline put him in a monster truck tyre, set him ablaze and role him down the street run behind him yelling cheater, cheater, liar liar pants a fire. Just take a moment and think about that vivid graphic.

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Did you apply to take creative writing in high school and not get accepted?

If only I were as foolish as the legions of Floyd Fanatics and now the Lance Loonies.

But, my writing style is pretty consistent. The more you stick to the truth and put up the mirror so that everyone can see the true reflection, the more blinding the light.

This is what I did with Floyd's zealots. This is what I have done and will continue to do with Lance. All that you have to really do here is observe, 'This is what Lance did. This is what the UCI did. This is what Lance said. This is what the UCI said.'

After all, my imagination is not wild enough to dream up the kinds of stunts that they have pulled off.

Can someone queue the next 'witch hunt' statement, mysterious and unexplained donation to the UCI or Vrijman cover-up report? Honestly, who would have believed these characters would do this in real life?

Ultimately, this is what will bring him down. He will be hoist by his own petard. His complete lack of any apparent senstivity is setting a much larger and more noxious fire than any gasoline on a truck tyre.

I am truly amazed and impressed with Floyd. Though I am sure my comments did not influence him, I long appealed for him to just be honest. That is the only way to turn this lemon into lemonade. And, he has.

Floyd admitted that he doped and the sport did not come to an end. Many of us see what is currently happening as possibly the only way this sport can ever clean up. This will not kill the sport, as so many bizarrely predicted with Floyd and again with Lance

Rather, hope finally does actually ride again. Though not the way that Lance had planned.

There is still plenty of die-hard evidence of the Floyd Fabrication Flock. The web site http://trustbut.blogspot.com/ is still up (and its maintenance fees obviously being paid).

The distortion, defying both logic and fact, still screams out from the sub-heading:

News, Research and Commentary about the Floyd Landis doping allegations.

And, fortunately for those that invested so much energy on 'drunken mice' and new 'legal precedents', the site still advertises "CLOSED 31-DEC-2008". Closed in the nick of time, before reality caught up with them.

No update that Floyd has admitted. Rather a foolish plea for all eternity that someone somewhere take their folly seriously.

But, I must give them credit. They did try very hard - not resting their case on silly 'liar, liar' comments.

Now, we have a new crowd. Flicker welcome to the latest cycling fandom version of the flat earth society. You have some big boots to fill, though, and your arguments need work.

Life on Earth will not end if we discover the earth is round.

Cycling will not die if Lance is finally convicted. Quite the opposite.

Dave.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Hmmm...

An awful lot of talk about the 'killing of cycling' and/or how LA 'built cycling in America' etc, etc.

One question I have is if LA was so great for cycling in the US why are the American Junior numbers so weak? There have been multiple comments in the Clinic about how low the junior turnout is in the States.

Is LA's legacy going to be the middle-aged weekend warriors on HGH and a slew of American ex-teammates who all got popped? That's not so pretty, nor is it 'good' for American cycling.

 

[SaftyCyclist]

If what Landis was saying in the emails is slowly being proved to be the truth, how can the UCI survive this? Are we all going to have a different world body on our race licences or will they just eject the fat cats and become a democratic organisation, I can't see any other way.

 

[flicker]

that is nice for you D. My friend lived in Zurich and got to watch the Roubaix in April, he said it was on 6 channels at once. Probably an exageration, but I got the idea. I once saw Algerian music on TV in Paris 2.

There are no big cycling stars in the US who bring TV to cycling to TV. None, nunca. I am sorry universal sports and versus are covering cycling but I can't turn them on prime time like I might with baseballl or footballl here in the US.
I am still of the opinion that the posters here want to kill pro cycling in the US. I sure do appreciate your opinions though.

 

[flicker]

Hmmm...

An awful lot of talk about the 'killing of cycling' and/or how LA 'built cycling in America' etc, etc.

One question I have is if LA was so great for cycling in the US why are the American Junior numbers so weak? There have been multiple comments in the Clinic about how low the junior turnout is in the States.

Is LA's legacy going to be the middle-aged weekend warriors on HGH and a slew of American ex-teammates who all got popped? That's not so pretty, nor is it 'good' for American cycling.

Jrs. go to I-phones and video games it is a statement on our US culture.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

http://ca.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idCATRE6BK08N20101221

This is what I am talking about, a sober article explaining the state of professional cycling.
Things need to be handled with kid gloves.

What the haters here, for instance the hog, dQ etc. is tar and feather Armstrong, douse him with gasoline put him in a monster truck tyre, set him ablaze and role him down the street run behind him yelling cheater, cheater, liar liar pants a fire. Just take a moment and think about that vivid graphic.

Is that how we want to show our children how to act? Yes, maybe it will give some satisfaction. That is not how I want to show myself to my kids or family, as a holigen.

What people show when they scream from the minnaret is that cycling is a cheating, lying decietful fraud. Is that what we want to show the sponsors who give us a pulpit to evangelize our true thoughts on the sport.

Or maybe we could put it all on a 120 meter board track on a sweaty back alley in Bangkock and bet on it like the Russian Roulette scene played by Chris Walken in the Deer Hunter.

Seriously, I get emotional because I see 4 major pro sponsors from my own country, right now with another, United Health care putting in a serious bid to be a 5th player in Europe. Is that the goose you want to kill?

How do you know that the Fish Hack at this online Fish Wrap was sober?

I took a moment and decided that no one has really said to “tar and feather” or Stick dude in a “Monster Truck Tire (tyre ----curious why use this spelling)” and set it ablaze. More than his “pants a fire” because dude was “doused in gasoline”.

You don’t know much about the country of “Bangkock” (Bangkok) do you?

 

[jimbob_in_co]

which sport 2 wheel sport have you been following and for how long?have you been following it for long? since when?

Road Racing: The Tour de France, since 1972
Track Events/Velodrome: Olympic Cycling events since 1972
and then....
Coors International Bicycle Classic 1985 thru 1988
etc...

are you or have you ever vbeen and ARMSTRONG FAN BOY.?

Sadly, and ashamedly, I was, from 1999 thru 2007. All other time since 1992 I've thought (and returned to thinking of) him to be a flaming jerk who does more harm than good for everyone but himself.

If your answer is cycling since 1985, you were a big GREG fan-boy and then became a big LANCE fan-boy in 1999 and with GREGS' revelations in 2001 and then LANCE to LANDIS your hate for Lord ARMSTRONG had grown and grown and now it will ejaculate with the SI article......I can only say.....

I guess I was fan-boy of "The Cannibal"

Re; the SI article. Actually, I just want the general public to see the truth I've come to learn over the last couple of years.

I put 2+2 together back in the 70s, a rough dirty sport it is. I enjoy the spectacle an exotic land Europe good food beautiful podium girls haute culture. Enjoy the spectacle. Its free did you notice?

Some of us never had the money to get to Europe to see it all, but soaked in all the wonder & the atmosphere at the finish line of Coors International Bicycle Classic, and the joy of watching friends compete in local criteria and cyclo-cross events.

As for seeing it is a rough dirty sport and fitness hobby I've seen it as much as any fan and participant.

"Rough Dirty" said, I expect the competitors to play by the rules, and those who cheat (or worse, cheat then gain wealth and fame) to eventually be brought to task, and exposed to the public for the frauds they are.

 

[flicker]

How do you know that the Fish Hack at this online Fish Wrap was sober?

I took a moment and decided that no one has really said to “tar and feather” or Stick dude in a “Monster Truck Tire (tyre ----curious why use this spelling)” and set it ablaze. More than his “pants a fire” because dude was “doused in gasoline”.

You don’t know much about the country of “Bangkock” (Bangkok) do you?

Ray Lewis he is a badder than bad person and ex- NFL verdad? I know nothing that happened in the Deer Hunter in the Russian Suberbs of Pittsburgh or Russian Roulette in Asian countries,Bangkok or in the border towns of Matamorors or Tiajuana never happened ain't happening never. Nor what happens in the tough little ghettos of Phillie.

 

[flicker]

Jimbob, thanks for keeping the faith. We need more fans in the US like you.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

that is nice for you D. My friend lived in Zurich and got to watch the Roubaix in April, he said it was on 6 channels at once. Probably an exageration, but I got the idea. I once saw Algerian music on TV in Paris 2.

There are no big cycling stars in the US who bring TV to cycling to TV. None, nunca. I am sorry universal sports and versus are covering cycling but I can't turn them on prime time like I might with baseballl or footballl here in the US.
I am still of the opinion that the posters here want to kill pro cycling in the US. I sure do appreciate your opinions though.

You seem to think it was once alive.

I stood atop the Devils Kitchen in the late 80's watching the Tour de Trump. That is a high point.

I stood 5 feet away from the GB and USA tents at the 1989 Worlds, after the race that Lemond won.

I watched Olympic MTB race in GA, also a high point.

I was there in Paris in 2003 when Lance tied the greats.

Cycling is not, nor will it ever be in the USA what it is in places like Spain, France or Italy.

There have been plenty of "stars" to deliver it to the forefront of USA consciousness but it never sticks, nor will it. If Lance cannot be the cause agent for transcendent growth in the sport, then no one will. Seems pretty simple.

I sincerely doubt anyone here is trying to "kill" cycle racing. If by uncovering the guts of truth regarding how the recent champions went about their business you equate with "killing", then perhaps.

I find it amusing that truth-seeking is equated with "killing" a sport.

If knowing the truth results in the "death" of a fraud, then where does this leave your precious moral dilemma and your world wrought with smoke and mirrors. Look over here, but not here. No, thats nothing, just another sham image of what winning and champions are truly made from. Oh, that steaming pile of dung, that's what we heap upon those who turn on the lights and point out when the smoke comes from and what is behind the mirrors.

The scary thing is that this is the same formula that keeps despots and tyrants in power, across history. If there ever was a parallel, one needs look no further than the continent of Africa, to find a corresponding corruption, deceit, filth and dis-regard for simple human rights.

It is as slippery slope as there is. Personal life, sports, entertainment, politics, government and rulers. Slide down and see where these values lead.

For the indoctrinated, you get your little life, your average wife, pay your taxes and nod as they force feed you who your champion should be, who you watch on TV, who decides to invade whom, and what is right and wrong.

Sadly, this America has been built on largely on two equal and opposed paradigms.

Courage to fight.

and

Ignorance (or willingness to ignore) of what is right.

I think these are what is basal in Lance.

 

[D-Queued]

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I find it amusing that truth-seeking is equated with "killing" a sport.

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Well said. Apparently some believe cycling is a magic show.

As for following the sport...

I started following the sport by reading about Eddy Merckx in SI. I even cut the pictures out.

Dave.

 

[flicker]

I got to meet a cycling organizer who had internet contact with, participating with her helping however I could. got to meet her inAptos, what a humble enthusiastic giving cyclist.

I guess if people participate in cycling here in the US that is the best we can do.... of course I realize this isn't Europe(and I don't feel a man like Lance Armstrong represents me) I still give kudos to Greg LeMond and Lance Armstrong.

I think it is destructive to US cycling when the 3 biggest names in US cycling Floyd, Lance and Greg attack each other simply pathetic.

What kind of role models are these 3 to any sane american junior cyclists.
Then you have Taylor Phinney and his uber wealthy ex-cyclist champion cyclist parents who are ready to involve their son in the twittering fray. WTF

 

[ultimobici]

that is nice for you D. My friend lived in Zurich and got to watch the Roubaix in April, he said it was on 6 channels at once. Probably an exageration, but I got the idea. I once saw Algerian music on TV in Paris 2.

There are no big cycling stars in the US who bring TV to cycling to TV. None, nunca. I am sorry universal sports and versus are covering cycling but I can't turn them on prime time like I might with baseballl or footballl here in the US.
I am still of the opinion that the posters here want to kill pro cycling in the US. I sure do appreciate your opinions though.

Bearing in mind you're posting on a forum that was founded in Australia and is now run by a British company, with a predominantly non-US based bunch of posters, who gives a flying f#### what the fall out of the current proceedings is?

That's akin to declining chemotherapy because it causes hair loss!

 

[Dallas_]

L’equipe is tabloid. SI is sensationalist. WSJ lacks journalistic integrity. Farking troll London Sunday Times.

What press is actually good? The Livestrong Blog?

or maybe a WikiLeaks non-profit style blog which CSE/Armstrong tried to shut down? - http://bikezilla.wordpress.com/2010/07/16/lance-armstrong-hes-earned-more-than-bad-press/

Good post hog, but the best part was your link. .... very interesting. I only learned the truth about miracle boy early this year by using google ...page after page of hits. Guaranteed, you only get a fraction now. There is a cleansing of the net as we speak.
What amazes me is the reach of his tentacles! They will need an army of geeks for cleansing after Novitzky finishes cheers

 

[VeloCity]

http://ca.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idCATRE6BK08N20101221

This is what I am talking about, a sober article explaining the state of professional cycling.
Things need to be handled with kid gloves.

What the haters here, for instance the hog, dQ etc. is tar and feather Armstrong, douse him with gasoline put him in a monster truck tyre, set him ablaze and role him down the street run behind him yelling cheater, cheater, liar liar pants a fire. Just take a moment and think about that vivid graphic.

Is that how we want to show our children how to act? Yes, maybe it will give some satisfaction. That is not how I want to show myself to my kids or family, as a holigen.

What people show when they scream from the minnaret is that cycling is a cheating, lying decietful fraud. Is that what we want to show the sponsors who give us a pulpit to evangelize our true thoughts on the sport.

Or maybe we could put it all on a 120 meter board track on a sweaty back alley in Bangkock and bet on it like the Russian Roulette scene played by Chris Walken in the Deer Hunter.

Seriously, I get emotional because I see 4 major pro sponsors from my own country, right now with another, United Health care putting in a serious bid to be a 5th player in Europe. Is that the goose you want to kill?

These guys know exactly what they're doing and they know exactly what the potential price is if they get caught. Too bad. Can't really understand why you think there should be exceptions for particular individuals.

 

[BotanyBay]

You seem to think it was once alive.

I stood atop the Devils Kitchen in the late 80's watching the Tour de Trump. That is a high point.

I stood 5 feet away from the GB and USA tents at the 1989 Worlds, after the race that Lemond won.

I watched Olympic MTB race in GA, also a high point.

I was there in Paris in 2003 when Lance tied the greats.

Cycling is not, nor will it ever be in the USA what it is in places like Spain, France or Italy.

There have been plenty of "stars" to deliver it to the forefront of USA consciousness but it never sticks, nor will it. If Lance cannot be the cause agent for transcendent growth in the sport, then no one will. Seems pretty simple.

I sincerely doubt anyone here is trying to "kill" cycle racing. If by uncovering the guts of truth regarding how the recent champions went about their business you equate with "killing", then perhaps.

I find it amusing that truth-seeking is equated with "killing" a sport.

If knowing the truth results in the "death" of a fraud, then where does this leave your precious moral dilemma and your world wrought with smoke and mirrors. Look over here, but not here. No, thats nothing, just another sham image of what winning and champions are truly made from. Oh, that steaming pile of dung, that's what we heap upon those who turn on the lights and point out when the smoke comes from and what is behind the mirrors.

The scary thing is that this is the same formula that keeps despots and tyrants in power, across history. If there ever was a parallel, one needs look no further than the continent of Africa, to find a corresponding corruption, deceit, filth and dis-regard for simple human rights.

It is as slippery slope as there is. Personal life, sports, entertainment, politics, government and rulers. Slide down and see where these values lead.

For the indoctrinated, you get your little life, your average wife, pay your taxes and nod as they force feed you who your champion should be, who you watch on TV, who decides to invade whom, and what is right and wrong.

Sadly, this America has been built on largely on two equal and opposed paradigms.

Courage to fight.

and

Ignorance (or willingness to ignore) of what is right.

I think these are what is basal in Lance.

+1, what he said.

 

[flicker]

These guys know exactly what they're doing and they know exactly what the potential price is if they get caught. Too bad. Can't really understand why you think there should be exceptions for particular individuals.

As a fully mature adult and not a criminal I would understand your logic. My guess these athletes we are speaking of most likely began cheating at a young immature age, coached and mentored by ex-cheaters. Really they never had a chance to be honest. Simply pathetic in my opinion.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

The title of the thread is whispers and my read on that is theHog was saying that he has heard some wispers regarding an upcoming article in SI. So we wait until the anticipated date to come.

TheHog said it was forthcoming on Wednesday this week. Suddenly yesterday TeamSkyfan said it was delayed. Then theHog said still on but not sure etc. Can you guys just make sure to get the story straight before getting all these CN forum members geeked up?

IF you guys know the impending date the story will drop in that Multi Colored Fish Wrap then please by all means let the cat out the bag here would ya.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

As a fully mature adult and not a criminal I would understand your logic. My guess these athletes we are speaking of most likely began cheating at a young immature age, coached and mentored by ex-cheaters. Really they never had a chance to be honest. Simply pathetic in my opinion.

In my opinion that was not the case before. Maybe in the modern day I would not know. Everyone has a every chance in the world to be honest, every minute your alive you owe it to yourself and the people around you to be honest. It is an excuse saying someone “never had a chance to be honest”.

 

[ultimobici]

I think it is destructive to US cycling when the 3 biggest names in US cycling Floyd, Lance and Greg attack each other simply pathetic.

What kind of role models are these 3 to any sane american junior cyclists.

What exactly has Lemond done that is not above board?

 

[flicker]

What exactly has Lemond done that is not above board?

He has as the senior top cyclist in the US allowed himself to be drawn into a tizzie fit of princesses. Very unmanly and not fitting for a champion to allow himself to be slandered and sullied by his slimey friends. Greg needs to take the high road and become a leader now.

 

[Polish]

The title of the thread is whispers and my read on that is theHog was saying that he has heard some wispers regarding an upcoming article in SI..

Glenn_, this thread was started back in June...

6 months later - still waiting for the media frenzy to begin.
Petulant frenzy.

 

[D-Queued]

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There is a cleansing of the net as we speak.
What amazes me is the reach of his tentacles! They will need an army of geeks for cleansing after Novitzky finishes cheers

Absolutely there is.

The original article/quote on Lance's I like women that are hotter than donut grease, and the funny picture they had, is hard to find now. I went looking for it recently, but could not find it.

Almost certainly part of an organized cleansing. (Because otherwise it was drawing welcome viewers and attention to the publisher)

Dave.

 

[flicker]

Lance knows grease.

 

[Hugh Januss]

He has as the senior top cyclist in the US allowed himself to be drawn into a tizzie fit of princesses. Very unmanly and not fitting for a champion to allow himself to be slandered and sullied by his slimey friends. Greg needs to take the high road and become a leader now.

Yeah, he needs to take a lesson from Lance and do all of the sullying and sliming himself.