White and O'Grady

[Ferminal]

They came out quite quickly after May 2010 and said their "investigation" showed White had nothing to answer for. Not sure if that was ASADA or CA.

 

[sairyder]

They came out quite quickly after May 2010 and said their "investigation" showed White had nothing to answer for. Not sure if that was ASADA or CA.

Cycling Australia and other national federations were asked by UCI president Pat McQuaid last year to look into allegations by Floyd Landis of doping on the US Postal Service team, involving a number of riders from different countries. White was one of those implicated by Landis. Despite the fact that the allegations were made eight months ago, none of those federations have reported any outcome.

VeloNation has asked the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority for an update as to this situation, but it said that it cannot comment. Cycling Australia has not yet responded to a request for information on what has happened since McQuaid’s request was made.

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7...gh-Performance-appointment.aspx#ixzz27Zc0Y8eF

 

[the big ring]

They came out quite quickly after May 2010 and said their "investigation" showed White had nothing to answer for. Not sure if that was ASADA or CA.

I doubt ASADA would be that complicit, but don't know for sure.

CA = GreenEdge, no question.

 

[Ozzie2]

why would there be blood? It is a completely rhetorical article and makes no aspersions against McGee other than to mention his name as a star:

Could the stars of the recent golden age of Australian cycling be tainted?

Brad McGee, the first Australian to hold the leader’s jersey in all three Grand Tours, and the lead-out superman for the Tour’s green jersey winner Baden Cooke.

just going by the story written by David Millar in his book, thats all

he keeps quiet about people, but it seems pretty legit when he says so and so_was_clean

yes there is omerta, and each rider is their own mystery, but sometimes you can believe someone

cadel, white, SOG i have no illusion what might be
Porte and Rogers NO question IMO
Robbie McEwin, i think you know maybe he didnt
Brad McGee i want to believe he didnt

 

[blackcat]

I doubt ASADA would be that complicit, but don't know for sure.

CA = GreenEdge, no question.

two examples. Look for Don Caitlin's quotes about athletes needing to be given room or breadth to "compete".

How AIS, AUSADA et al, whitewashed Gennadi Touretski.

 

[Ferminal]

How deep did ASADA go with Davis?

What were their investigations into Stephens and White?

 

[blackcat]

Alby Davis was about OP, the UCI and having their hands tied.

Alby is perhaps, behind OGrady, the most loved within CA. They would have pulled the strings if they could. Especially with Turtur high up in UCI. But it was out of their hands, and the stuff was orchestrated in Switzerland cos of Puerto. This is mostly opinion btw. admittedly (transparency for you)

Alby took one for the team. (re: he was the scapegoat like many in similar situations, get caught in the big doping cases, that have their own momentum, and the individual is cast aside)

 

[the big ring]

two examples. Look for Don Caitlin's quotes about athletes needing to be given room or breadth to "compete".

How AIS, AUSADA et al, whitewashed Gennadi Touretski.

ffs.

I completely forgot the ASADA / FINA Thorpe "investigation" where his hormone positive and > 4:1 T/E was let off because it was "only a little bit over" and he had always had nautrally higher than 4:1 T/E anyway.

Not because he had an exemption on hand. Ugh.

Man who is on ASADA?

 

[sittingbison]

That's being completely unfair!! "A little bit" over 4:1, FFS he was at 4.1:1. Barely over!! And at the time the limit was 11:1 - ask Floyd.

Everyone knows Thorpey was at least four times the man normal men are. He oozes maleness, that's why he hangs out at Connections

 

[the big ring]

That's being completely unfair!! "A little bit" over 4:1, FFS he was at 4.1:1. Barely over!! And at the time the limit was 11:1 - ask Floyd.

Everyone knows Thorpey was at least four times the man normal men are. He oozes maleness, that's why he hangs out at Connections

chief sittingbison, confuser of newbs and wielder of the great white irony stick.

euphemism overload detected. rebooting...

 

[sittingbison]

Apropos of nothing, the report also stated WADA was involved in the coverup OOPS I meant investigation. That's an awful lot of disparate people to bribe. And the whistle blower was a jumped up little muck raking weasel frog journo, the worst kind - ask Lance.

Thorpey did have outlier physiological traits right from puberty. He was the same size from age 12 with size 18 flippers. I suspect a hormonal imbalance,and he doesn't need a TUE for that as it is natural AND undr the limit.

Storm in tea cup. Nothing to see here, move along

 

[ciranda]

That story about shaving your whole body so no one can get hair samples is the most stupid **** ever.

When O'Grady was with Credit Agricole he was one of maybe four guys (Voigt, Hushoved, I forget who else) from french teams that were competitive in bigger races. In the World Championships 2004 he could follow all attacks on a really hard course. In the classics he never did anything before he went to CSC and BAM he won Roubaix right away. Lots of circumstantial stuff there.

 

[sairyder]

How deep did ASADA go with Davis?

What were their investigations into Stephens and White?

http://fulltext.ausport.gov.au/fulltext/2004/feddep/Anderson_report.pdf

Lots of interesting stuff in here - after reading Tylers book - it really jumps out at you, what seemed incredible now seems quite credible.

 

[sairyder]

For the longer term, the key recommendation put forward by Mr Anderson is

“that there should be a body which is quite independent of the AIS and of the ASC and of the sporting bodies themselves with the power and duty to investigate suspected infractions such as substance abuse and to carry the prosecution of persons against whom evidence is found’.

This is the statement that is particularly relevant to this thread, taken fro the tabling report by ?Kemp the then sports minister Did this happen? This report does gives a cultural insight into the AIS cycling program late 1990s early - mid 2000's.

 

[blackcat]

10th in the Giro and Silver in the IP...

Not even the rider of our generation can manage the same feat in a season.

How can you be a stage racer and a pursuiter concurrently?

think Mcgee was 8th, and with an incorrect time penalty for supposedly hanging on, in the mtns. So 7th GC

And he lost to Robert Bartko in the IP in Sydney, when he broke his collarbone about 2 weeks before.

So it would have been touch and go for the top step

 

[Ferminal]

Point was that he achieved a credible stage race finish and a IP result in the same season (only a few months apart).

 

[blackcat]

Point was that he achieved a credible stage race finish and a IP result in the same season (only a few months apart).

ok ta.

And Sydney was only bronze. I could have worked out what you meant if I had my brain sorted.

srry