White and O'Grady

[Mrs John Murphy]

Sorry Mrs Murphy
You are barking up the wrong tree using the jingo argument. If you bother to notice, I have spent the past three months hoeing into Rogers and Porte, and recently Kerrison.

I asked a perfectly legit question, that without any form of evidence whatsoever there is no point questioning SOG. I agree everyone should be open to scrutiny, however hopefully that scrutiny will start with some form of concern. In this case you have failed to present anything, so once again I ask the mods to close this thread.

Again, there are more than enough extremely vexing issues to persue without wasting time and energy on vexation. If you have something of genuine interest, fine. Until then, give it a rest.

Why is there no point in questioning a rider?

You don't have to have an accusation to start a thread. If you had read the first post I picked up on a quote from The Hog and asked if it could be elaborated on. I'm interested in what the story is on them and what people know. It is about exchanging information.

That would qualify as raising a question and providing some evidence as to why. Just pulling a name out of a hat and when asked for more info coming up with the fanboy, nationality, freedom of the press lines is beyond weak.

almost as weak a shrill defensive response to a question about one of your favoured riders. In your case the accusation of nationalism and fanboyism rings pretty much true as you only ever seem to pop out of the woodwork when an Australian is called into question.

 

[sittingbison]

Fair enough, and I thought exactly the same. But I also thought thehog was probably dabbling in a little bit of hog like hyperbole, which I quite enjoy about his style. I didn't think it warranted a home thread, unless thehog expanded on his throw away comment with something juicy.

Again, if there IS something to discuss, fine. Until then, probably not fine.

 

[Ferminal]

Was CERA going around in 2007?

 

[Telmisartan new]

Was CERA going around in 2007?

That would be a cluster bomb thrown into the room.....

 

[screaming fist]

Was CERA going around in 2007?

According to Tyler Hamilton's book, the peloton was talking about it as early as 2002/2003

 

[Telmisartan new]

According to Tyler Hamilton's book, the peloton was talking about it as early as 2002/2003

Ricco got done 2008, so no proper test for maybe 5 years?

 

[the big ring]

Here's the article that I was talking about. Someone paraphrased what was said.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=238872&postcount=80

Contract clause: rider must have hair exceeding 2 inches on more than 15 cm^2 of their body at all times.

Add "waxed" to the Lantern Jaw list of tell-tale doping signals. Hilarity ensues. Or something.

 

[sittingbison]

As far as I know, there are no Brazillians in the peleton

 

[Ferminal]

Someone will miss that.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

As far as I know, there are no Brazillians in the peleton

Murilo Fischer wants a word

 

[sittingbison]

Is Fischer a full Brazillian?

 

[Nick C.]

Why is there no point in questioning a rider?

You don't have to have an accusation to start a thread. If you had read the first post I picked up on a quote from The Hog and asked if it could be elaborated on. I'm interested in what the story is on them and what people know. It is about exchanging information.



almost as weak a shrill defensive response to a question about one of your favoured riders. In your case the accusation of nationalism and fanboyism rings pretty much true as you only ever seem to pop out of the woodwork when an Australian is called into question.

dude I'm not australian so try again.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Is Fischer a full Brazillian?

Probably just a runway

O'Grady on the otherhand

 

[thehog]

Sounds like a vote for censorship more like.

All riders should be up for discussion - there is nothing that says that only certain riders are allowed to be discussed.

And O'Grady was riding for CSC led by Mr 60% and whose riders spent a lot of time hanging out with Spanish gynaecologists.

Scratch the surface of any cycling fan and there is a nationalist waiting to leap out to defend their national honour.

Repeat after me - white anglophone riders don't dope*

* Except for a few dodgy guys like Armstrong, Landis, Hamilton, Millar, Yates...

Without going into all the detail I know it’s doesn’t come as any surprise about what went on back in the that era. Philippe Gaumont already spelled out SOG’s preparation habits along with his partying lifestyle.

Please, please, please don’t go into the “aussie aussie aussie” mode of our boys don’t dope.

Its not rocket science to know what went on in that team and beyond.

The Cofidis team around the time Miller went down was crazy. Just crazy. It was more of a rock-star tour than a cycling team.

 

[Runitout]

These spurious alleagtions against O'Grady will not stand.

Take a look at O'Grady's fastest time up Alpe d'Huez. (hint - 2004).

Take a look at J Van den Broeck's.

O'Grady is just a mountain climber, lost in a sprinter's clothing.

 

[blackcat]

Australians do dope, they also tend to joke about it on bunch rides in the late 90s with local fast rides.

And they like to go the knuckle. Henk, Stuey, Millar, getting rolled in Toulouse by some local hoods. Stuey was also in a blue with CJ Sutton in Monaco in the off-season in about 2009.

And under Charlie Walsh in the track program, he took on the track sprinter Darryn Hill, who was built (in Aust colloquial parlance) - a brick ****house.

idiom

 

[GreasyMonkey]

And under Charlie Walsh in the track program, he took on the track sprinter Darryn Hill, who was built (in Aust colloquial parlance) - a brick ****house.

Fiesty little (comparatively) red-head...... have to be, taking on Darryn

 

[sittingbison]

wasn't Darryn a ranga as well?

now here is a correlation that perhaps those scientific types can pontificate on: Wiggo track plus ranga. SOG track plus ranga. Hill track plus ranga. All feisty with wiggo being especially combative with twits and cameramen. Cadel ranga and feisty with dog touchers, but not track so he is the outlier or adverse finding whatever its called.

 

[Hugh Januss]

dude I'm not australian so try again.

Aha, so not Aussie, just gullible, eh?

 

[Ozzie2]

If anyone casts aspersions on Brad McGee there will be blood

 

[Ferminal]

10th in the Giro and Silver in the IP...

Not even the rider of our generation can manage the same feat in a season.

How can you be a stage racer and a pursuiter concurrently?

 

[sairyder]

If anyone casts aspersions on Brad McGee there will be blood

I found this a good overview of the doping in Australia question. I think the link has been up before. I'm afraid there may be blood!


http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/02/12/with-drugs-so-rife-could-australians-be-doping-too/

 

[Von Mises]

Here's the article that I was talking about. Someone paraphrased what was said.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=238872&postcount=80

I have to clarify beacuse it started from me. Tombak did not say that it was O´Grady. In fact I have asked him, did he mean O´Grady, he said no. (So, maybe ha meant actually White, but this is just my guess, or maybe it was some third guy.)

 

[sittingbison]

I found this a good overview of the doping in Australia question. I think the link has been up before. I'm afraid there may be blood!


http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/02/12/with-drugs-so-rife-could-australians-be-doping-too/

why would there be blood? It is a completely rhetorical article and makes no aspersions against McGee other than to mention his name as a star:

Could the stars of the recent golden age of Australian cycling be tainted?

Brad McGee, the first Australian to hold the leader’s jersey in all three Grand Tours, and the lead-out superman for the Tour’s green jersey winner Baden Cooke.

 

[M Sport]

To make a change from the usual suspects:

Let's go there.

What is the story on White and also 'Stuey' O'Grady so beloved of Eurosport commentators.

Cycling Australia to my knowledge never released the decision on the investigation into White, he was named by Landis in the original allegations against Pharmstrong, Hincapie, Bruyneel, Ferrari, Zabriskie, Leipheimer, Riis, Ochowitz, etc.

Would be a foolish punter betting White was the clean one amongst that bunch of dirty riders and doctors though.

SOG - don't care, wouldn't waste bandwidth talking about him.