Who are future GT winners?

[Dekker_Tifosi]

This topic is about FUTURE gt winners. People who have not won a GT yet but might in the future.

Hence, Nibali is not in this poll and Kreuziger (and Andy) are.

 

[Moondance]

There's a different between "talent" and "future GT winner". That's all I'm trying to say. But who knows, if Peter Velits can get so close to winning a GT, why not Porte. I just don't see it happening (and FYI, like Dekker T, I don't see Mollema or Kruijswijk winning any GTs either).

HERESY!!!

Anyway, I think Porte will be a serious contender for GTs in 2 or 3 years. I doubt he'll ever have the explosion uphill of a Schleck or Contador, but maybe he could grind it out, Ullrich-style, and still get some excellent results. When you look at how his first season with the pros has gone, and the serious progression he's shown throughout this season, you'd be silly to say he doesn't even stand a chance of competing.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Well after Nibali's Vuelta win indeed anything is possible if the field is weak enough. Hell even Peter Velits almost won a GC now (considering Mosquera will DQ)

 

[theyoungest]

I find it strange everybody ignores Nibali & keep touting Kreuziger...the fact is that Vincenzo is already a GT winner and that victory is a catalyst for further development & ambition -- Andy Schleck to me is still a project, since he hasn't won a GT yet- even with his enormous talent, I see him wasting his career trying to beat Contador, when he can easily win the Giro or the Vuelta if he widens his horizon
I hope Igor Anton gets that level to shine in the coming GTs- Porte is a great prospect to the future, as well as Rigoberto Uran--and we cannot deny Ricco even if we can't tolerate his presence....

This thread is about future GT winners. That's probably why Nibali isn't mentioned: he already is a GT winner.

 

[The Hitch]

I just noticed how few votes Cadel Evans got... two time Tour de France runner-up vs. guy who crashed out of a few Vueltas: 3 votes vs. a heck of a lot.

(BTW I voted for Anton as well, not for Evans, but I feel there's a little bit of hype involved here )

Cadel Evans - 33 years old, gt performance graph has him reaching peak in 07 08 and on the way down.

Igor Anton - 28 years old, gt performance graph has him still on the rise.

 

[jaylew]

The news of the last 20 hours seems to have had an effect on the poll. Ricco had been running neck-and-neck with Gesink before news of his pill stash.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

No, it's just the Dutch Maffia waking up and massively voting Gesink.

 

[staubsauger]

Interesting that Anton is getting twice the votes Sanchez is. He can't TT with him, it's debatable if he can climb with him, and has shown a problem staying upright. My only guess is that people are assuming that SS will ride the TdF and Anton the Vuelta in coming years.

Next year is an odd year.

2007: 3rd
2009: 2nd
2011: ??

well it's just easy to explain...

in tt abilities suited gt's like the tdf sanchez isn't a good enough tt'er like a mentsjov or contador (ignoring todays news at that point) to win and in a pure climbers suited gt like the giro or some vuelta editions he isn't an as good climber as anton. that's why i think anton has a better chance to win a gt once.

but otherwise after todays news sammy might have a perfect chance to win in france next year - he or mentsjov - as i'm seeing andy as the perfect loser in a gt.

otherwise the giro 11 would become a true gentlemans fight in the mountains between ricco, anton and the tt'er nibali (let's not forget scarponi and maybe even franco and/or wiggins- this could become incredible). and yes he still has the vuelta than and is 5 years younger.

 

[Moondance]

No, it's just the Dutch Maffia waking up and massively voting Gesink.

I didn't vote for Bobby... Although my vote was cast firmly in the belief that Contador would be happily active going into the future.

 

[ttrider]

yeh mood changes now its likely a certain mr alberto is out of action:
Gesink will surely hes very good uphill and has the frame to learn to tt
Anton YES he nearly did and is now the second best climber behind shleck in my opinion
Andy will surely win the 2010 tdf
Can see Samu as well

Ricco may get 8 years/life and will certainly be blacklist, valconsoliel will not get invites

 

[The Hitch]

I didn't vote for Bobby...

What you think your the don? You are the caporegime at best.

Francois is the incarcarated Don.
DekkerT is the acting boss.
Youngest is the consolgieri
Barrus is the crooked cop.

You Kwibus and the rest are just pawns.

The acting Boss spoke and now Gesink is getting 50% of votes.
Just like he spoke and Stage 6 won stage of the year. And he only had to say the word and Mosquera won the poll of "who will win the Vuelta".

 

[The Hitch]

As bad as the the news of the Contador thing has been to me. Im starting to see the + side. All those riders who we suggested should focus on the Vuelta for a gt could suddenly decide they have a shot at the big time. The Grandady of them all.

Samu Sanchez. check.
Ivan Basso. Check.
Vincenzo Nibali. Check.
Dennis Menchov Check
Cadel Evans Check


All of these people know what it feels like to top 10 a tdf. 4 of the 5 have top 5ved and 3 have podiumed. None have won. Hence none of these guys will be racing for 5th place or 3rd place. They know it is their best shot.

And thats what made the Tour so boring these last years.

And for 2012, add Senor Piti to this.

And that leaves Sella, Scarponi, Ricco for the Giro. J Rod Uran Anton Henao for the Vuelta.

The only problem in the way is Andy Schleck. Please ASO dont invite team Luxemberg to the Tour. I dont even care if he ruins 1 of the other gts by winning by 15 minutes. Just let us have an interesting tour for once.

 

[Moondance]

What you think your the don? You are the caporegime at best.

Francois is the incarcarated Don.
DekkerT is the acting boss.
Youngest is the consolgieri
Barrus is the crooked cop.

You Kwibus and the rest are just pawns.

The acting Boss spoke and now Gesink is getting 50% of votes.
Just like he spoke and Stage 6 won stage of the year. And he only had to say the word and Mosquera won the poll of "who will win the Vuelta".

Getting pinched and spending a week in jail didn't exactly help my opportunities or advancement within the family.

 

[Mambo95]

I think Andy Schleck may win one before the next Giro comes around,

 

[Barrus]

What you think your the don? You are the caporegime at best.

Francois is the incarcarated Don.
DekkerT is the acting boss.
Youngest is the consolgieri
Barrus is the crooked cop.

You Kwibus and the rest are just pawns.

The acting Boss spoke and now Gesink is getting 50% of votes.
Just like he spoke and Stage 6 won stage of the year. And he only had to say the word and Mosquera won the poll of "who will win the Vuelta".

The crooked cop, you know I always liked that role
If I could change my title, I would probably go with that

Also why do yopu think there are almost never threads in the clinic that Dutch riders are doping

 

[Kwibus]

What you think your the don? You are the caporegime at best.

Francois is the incarcarated Don.
DekkerT is the acting boss.
Youngest is the consolgieri
Barrus is the crooked cop.

You Kwibus and the rest are just pawns.

The acting Boss spoke and now Gesink is getting 50% of votes.
Just like he spoke and Stage 6 won stage of the year. And he only had to say the word and Mosquera won the poll of "who will win the Vuelta".

Awesome post.

Just didn't know Francois was dutch though. DekkerT was enough for me to look up too

 

[theyoungest]

Getting pinched and spending a week in jail didn't exactly help my opportunities or advancement within the family.

It's your avatar... as a member of D66, you never get to voice your opinion when it actually matters.

 

[happychappy]

Everyone but Cadel Evans!

 

[Moondance]

It's your avatar... as a member of D66, you never get to voice your opinion when it actually matters.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6231604815415378912#

 

[Angliru]

I just noticed how few votes Cadel Evans got... two time Tour de France runner-up vs. guy who crashed out of a few Vueltas: 3 votes vs. a heck of a lot.

(BTW I voted for Anton as well, not for Evans, but I feel there's a little bit of hype involved here )

Well Evans is older and has shown to be snakebit when it comes to grand tours. Anton while accident prone did show that he has a bright future ahead of him in the Vuelta and, if he chooses to ride, the Giro. Also let it said that Evans had a year that he broke the his collarbone twice while riding for T-Mobile so crashing is not something exclusive to the Basques and Juan Mauricio Soler Hernandez.

 

[Kwibus]

Voted for A Schleck and Gesink.

Schleck because he's topnodge. I don't like the fact that he seems to have a hard time to get motivated for races. Only good form in the TdF and the ardenne classics. Still if he's got it then he's a contender.

Gesink because I hope it mostly and I was told to vote on him too.

 

[Jan the Man]

Andy Schleck - Yes
Cadel Evans - Unlikely
Roman Kreuziger - Maybe
Robert Gesink - Maybe
Riccardo Ricco - No
Igor Anton - Yes
Samuel Sanchez - No
Joaquin Rodriguez - No
Frank Schleck - Unlikely
Jurgen Van Den Broeck - No


Others maybe's

Beñat Intxausti
Tejay van Garderen
Rigoberto Uran
Bauke Mollema

 

[Ferminal]

Sanchez will win the Vuelta 2011 if Contador is absent... It might be a tough battle with the likes of Rodriguez, Evans and the 3rd coming of Anton, but I think he can do it.

Schleck is such a long prospect, he will never beat Contador in the TdF but he could probably win any Giro if he put his mind to it.

I voted A. Schleck, Gesink (not sure), Ricco, Sanchez and Anton (will win the Vuelta one day).

Obviously Ricco will probably get banned before he has the chance, but if he rides the next few years he will win multiple GTs.

Hey, I voted the same as DT

 

[theyoungest]

Andy Schleck - Yes
Cadel Evans - Unlikely
Roman Kreuziger - Maybe
Robert Gesink - Maybe
Riccardo Ricco - No
Igor Anton - Yes
Samuel Sanchez - No
Joaquin Rodriguez - No
Frank Schleck - Unlikely
Jurgen Van Den Broeck - No


Others maybe's

Beñat Intxausti
Tejay van Garderen
Rigoberto Uran
Bauke Mollema

Why a definite "no" for Sammy Sanchez, and a definite "yes" for Anton? I'd say Sanchez has proven that he's got what it takes, Anton has never shown that he can be up there for three weeks (although mainly because he couldn't stay on his bike). If both were to start the Vuelta next year, both of them without the Tour in their legs, I'd put my money on Sanchez.

 

[Angliru]

A. Schleck - YES
S. Sanchez -YES (Vuelta)
I. Anton - YES (Vuelta/Giro)
R. Ricco - YES (Provided he isn't banned for a lifetime)
R. Kreuziger - MAYBE
R. Gesink - MAYBE
J. VDB - NO
J. Rodriguez - NO
C. Evans - NO
F. Schleck - NO