Who is Bora's true leader???

[Krzysztof_O]

If Roglic somehow wins the Vuelta (without top dogs of course) then he will stay in RBH for another season.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Or if any of those teams are smart they structure it like SOQ did it for Gilbert. Normal base pay, and high bonus structure. Would incentivise him to work for it.

That would require Roglic to both have the motivation to work for it and think he still has big results in him if he does. Which is why he won't sign such a contract.

 

[Berniece]

That would require Roglic to both have the motivation to work for it and think he still has big results in him if he does. Which is why he won't sign such a contract.

Oh well, in that case you will be right and this is his last season. Maybe if he does a great Vuelta (podium or win) he's able to get a proper contract somewhere.

 

[Red Rick]

Who exactly?

Alpecin - definitely not
Bahrain - half their team is out of contract and none of those are their most expensive riders, doesn't make sense
Decathlon - why would they
EF - definitely not
Groupama - definitely not
Ineos - cash seems to have dried up, otherwise maybe
Lidl - possible but unlikely
Lotto - definitely not
Movistar - highly unlikely
NSN - post-Froome debacle this hasn't been their style anymore
Soudal - definitely not
Jayco - definitely not
Picnic - definitely not
Visma - maybe as more of a mentor if there is no bad blood after the way they parted, but you don't pay 2M for that
UAE - only if Pogacar talks them into it for some reason
Uno-X - definitely not
Astana - highly unlikely
Tudor - possible but unlikely
Q36 - highly unlikely

The situation reminds me a bit of when Sagan went to Total, but unlike Sagan, Roglic doesn't have Specialized to pay a big chunk of his salary, and also unlike Sagan he is at a very normal age for a big name to retire at.

There's definitely way worse riders than Roglic on that sort of money, and there's even more in the 1M-1.5M range not doing anything year after year, but most of those at least have some domestic value, and there's not really imaginary potential that so many 2-3rd tier GC riders that were kinda young when they signed a fat contract had.

But I think he's still a top 6 GC rider on his day but not one that fills a need any team particularly has. And it mostly depends on what he wants and why he's riding around the way he currently is.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Who exactly?

Alpecin - definitely not
Bahrain - half their team is out of contract and none of those are their most expensive riders, doesn't make sense
Decathlon - why would they
EF - definitely not
Groupama - definitely not
Ineos - cash seems to have dried up, otherwise maybe
Lidl - possible but unlikely
Lotto - definitely not
Movistar - highly unlikely
NSN - post-Froome debacle this hasn't been their style anymore
Soudal - definitely not
Jayco - definitely not
Picnic - definitely not
Visma - maybe as more of a mentor if there is no bad blood after the way they parted, but you don't pay 2M for that
UAE - only if Pogacar talks them into it for some reason
Uno-X - definitely not
Astana - highly unlikely
Tudor - possible but unlikely
Q36 - highly unlikely

The situation reminds me a bit of when Sagan went to Total, but unlike Sagan, Roglic doesn't have Specialized to pay a big chunk of his salary, and also unlike Sagan he is at a very normal age for a big name to retire at.

Lidl can sign him as a TGH replacement

 

[Red Rick]

The big deal however is that the market for a rider like Roglic could not be worse. It used to be that gaps between riders near the top were way, way slimmer, so in 2017 Contador or in 2020 Nibali had much more plausibility for winning big than Roglic does now in their big targets.

There's a few riders in a weird position where they can win a GT if like 3 guys don't show up - and I still think Roglic is one of them. Otherwise you just have riders who can be an also ran at the TdF or a podium candidate at the Giro or Vuelta.

 

[Netserk]

movistar should kill to get him

 

[Samu Cuenca]

EF should sign him to replace Carapaz. They are used to having a rider that allegedly does his own thing.

 

[Unchained]

What a ridiculous organization.. Remco has decided that 69 is his special number, his training plan for TDF is no racing for 69 days. Other Bora bunch members are racing a grand tour to get ready for hardest grand tour.
Roglic is riding fine but certainly not with the zest of his best days , discussion of him being a leader is too late.. Signing with EF, FDJ, Movistar all could be great landing spots but not for @€ 400,000 or more for 2027..Not sure but it's reported that Nario Quintana is making @€1.8 and I see that as a total waste of money. So with the mountain Nario is getting paid, Roglic is a bargain.. Roglic might have some shine left on his star power but he is not a building block or long term draw for fans at 36..37 in October.. Maybe Trek wants him..

 

[Tim Cahill]

Van Poppel was withdrawn from the Giro and Meeus isn't going, I doubt either will be at The Tour with the team they are likely to take, and they will have to do a GT surely.

Just something to consider, a preview of maybe the team composition when it comes to Spanish races in August and team-based abandonments perhaps.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Van Poppel was withdrawn from the Giro and Meeus isn't going, I doubt either will be at The Tour with the team they are likely to take, and they will have to do a GT surely.

Just something to consider, a preview of maybe the team composition when it comes to Spanish races in August and team-based abandonments perhaps.

Easy to forget that their 2025 tour team to support Roglic and lipovitz included a full sprint team for meuss. That was pretty funny. Not sure the little Belgian let's that happen again though.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Easy to forget that their 2025 tour team to support Roglic and lipovitz included a full sprint team for meuss. That was pretty funny. Not sure the little Belgian let's that happen again though.

Tantrum of the century when Denk gets on the radio and tells them to hit the front on a flat stage so Vlasov can have a go sprinting against Merlier and Phillipsen.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Yeah, if Rogla wins Tour-Vuelta in 2026, then maybe somebody will sign him for 100k, makes sense.

On a more serious note i don't believe RBH knows what they are doing and what to expect at the Tour 2026. In regards to leadership. The plan likely is to sort itself out. Valid question remains, though, what if it won't sort itself out.

 

[dazaau]

Yeah, if Rogla wins Tour-Vuelta in 2026, then maybe somebody will sign him for 100k, makes sense.

On a more serious note i don't believe RBH knows what they are doing and what to expect at the Tour 2026. In regards to leadership. The plan likely is to sort itself out. Valid question remains, though, what if it won't sort itself out.

Pog, Jonas and Sexais will sort it out very quickly and make it irrelevant 😅

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Tantrum of the century when Denk gets on the radio and tells them to hit the front on a flat stage so Vlasov can have a go sprinting against Merlier and Phillipsen.

Vlasov will attack solely to deny Remco 7th place in GC.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Pog, Jonas and Sexais will sort it out very quickly and make it irrelevant 😅

No, others can't sort it out for them. It's on them.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

I think it could be Ineos, NSN, Tudor or Q36.5. And just maybe, but I really doubt it since they should get extra sponsorship for that, Unibet Rose Rockets.

If the Van Eetvelt to NSN and De Lie to Tudor rumours are correct then we can rule two of these out already.

 

[CyclistAbi]

So basically if Rogla wins Vuelta he will need to sign for another team but if he doesn't then he is good. Additionally if any other rider at RBH doesn't win anything in terms of GT racing and most important stage races, then they are all good.

So basically to keep riding for RBH you must not win. Guys, listen to yourself.

 

[AmRacer]

So basically if Rogla wins Vuelta he will need to sign for another team but if he doesn't then he is good. Additionally if any other rider at RBH doesn't win anything in terms of GT racing and most important stage races, then they are all good.

So basically to keep riding for RBH you must not win. Guys, listen to yourself.

It's the opposite, he must win if he will ride for RBH next season.

 

[Oldman]

You mean Roglic.
But Remco has won a GT as well

WonOne. GTs as in multiple against different challengers. At this point the Tour has become stacked and Remco hasn't had an answer for each of the guys that will finish in front of him. Lipowitz has paid some attention and is showing growth; not regression. Still a year away, though.

Oh well, in that case you will be right and this is his last season. Maybe if he does a great Vuelta (podium or win) he's able to get a proper contract somewhere.

He's riding like he'd gauging progress with no risks. That suggests he wants seriously to win the Vuelta and probably something notable after. That should gain him several years of good pay and enough time to work into promotional work. He's got enough quirky charisma to pull that off for Red Bull. Add another triumph he' have more Vueltas than anyone. That would make him a legend and seem a great career benchmark.
Only Pogacar is exceeding that career progress in the current group. Considering the wave of talent it's doubtful Jonas, Remco or anyone else could challenge that work.

 

[AmRacer]

WonOne. GTs as in multiple against different challengers. At this point the Tour has become stacked and Remco hasn't had an answer for each of the guys that will finish in front of him. Lipowitz has paid some attention and is showing growth; not regression. Still a year away, though.

He's riding like he'd gauging progress with no risks. That suggests he wants seriously to win the Vuelta and probably something notable after. That should gain him several years of good pay and enough time to work into promotional work. He's got enough quirky charisma to pull that off for Red Bull. Add another triumph he' have more Vueltas than anyone. That would make him a legend and seem a great career benchmark.
Only Pogacar is exceeding that career progress in the current group. Considering the wave of talent it's doubtful Jonas, Remco or anyone else could challenge that work.

When Jonas wins the Giro, he has won them all. That must count.

 

[KoopaCycling]

WonOne. GTs as in multiple against different challengers. At this point the Tour has become stacked and Remco hasn't had an answer for each of the guys that will finish in front of him. Lipowitz has paid some attention and is showing growth; not regression. Still a year away, though.

He's riding like he'd gauging progress with no risks. That suggests he wants seriously to win the Vuelta and probably something notable after. That should gain him several years of good pay and enough time to work into promotional work. He's got enough quirky charisma to pull that off for Red Bull. Add another triumph he' have more Vueltas than anyone. That would make him a legend and seem a great career benchmark.
Only Pogacar is exceeding that career progress in the current group. Considering the wave of talent it's doubtful Jonas, Remco or anyone else could challenge that work.

So van aert has not won a GT cause he was not paying attention...

If lipo is a contender it is through his own physical capabilities not cause he paid attention to Roglic.