Who is next to dominate GT's?

[Jason_Mercier]

I think VG is better climber than Talansky. Super Besse 2011. Croix De Fer and Peyragudes 2012. The only scenary where Talansky has shown a similar level was in the Ancares ascent of the Vuelta. And that's all for me. Maybe Talansky is better TT'er in long distances.

 

[Netserk]

I think VG is better climber than Talansky. Super Besse 2011. Croix De Fer and Peyragudes 2012. The only scenary where Talansky has shown a similar level was in the Ancares ascent of the Vuelta. And that's all for me. Maybe Talansky is better TT'er in long distances.

Where he lost to Costa?

 

[Jason_Mercier]

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[Jason_Mercier]

Where he lost to Costa?

He was the most agressive that day. Atacked many times and then paid it in the final ascent. But is a good demonstration that he is a good climber.

 

[Parrulo]

Where he lost to Costa?

well i guess we now truly know who will dominate the GT's in the future. costa obviously after all he only just turned 26 like last month. . .

 

[Parrulo]

He was the more agressive that day. Atacked many times and then paid it in the final ascent. But is a good demonstration that he is a good climber.

i invite you to watch the stage again. i did, many times. the first selection is made by an attack from costa who then asks for TJVG for a turn which he does (you can see right when the camera catches the front of the break that costa is the one out of the saddle at the front and TJVG is moving to take his turn)

you can also see it when gautier is dropped that it was costa who made the acceleration. (same situation as the first selection)

TJVG was just willing to take bigger turns but his rhythm wasn't the one that caused the other guys to get dropped. TJVG raced stupidly that day taking big turns and sprinting to a KOM sprint costa clearly didn't care about which is why he got dropped hard on a 200 meter long hill.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

What was so great about Talansky's climbing in the Vuelta? He came in minutes behind the favourites, together with guys like Ten Dam and post-legbreak Gesink. Surely Van Garderen could have done the same.

no he couldn't van garderen sucks at steep climbs. also talansky was the only rider to finish within a minute of quintana in the avenir mountain itt. that vaeraged over 7 watt for quintana! the rest all lost 2 minutes or more

 

[Netserk]

He was the most agressive that day. Atacked many times and then paid it in the final ascent. But is a good demonstration that he is a good climber.

Which just shows that he doesn't have the brain to win a GT (just like Andy), and that he should focus on week long stage races.

TJVG has the same GT winning potential as Porte and that is 0.

 

[Jason_Mercier]

Which just shows that he doesn't have the brain to win a GT (just like Andy), and that he should focus on week long stage races.

TJVG has the same GT winning potential as Porte and that is 0.

Porte? When was Porte 5° on a GC of a TDF?

 

[Parrulo]

no he couldn't van garderen sucks at steep climbs. also talansky was the only rider to finish within a minute of quintana in the avenir mountain itt. that vaeraged over 7 watt for quintana! the rest all lost 2 minutes or more

also without the time lost with TTT crash he would have been ahead of gesink and pretty close to froome.

 

[Jason_Mercier]

Who was Porte in amateurs if we compare him to VG?

 

[Netserk]

Who was Porte in amateurs if we compare him to VG?

Doesn't matter. Both have zero chance to ever win a GT, and is both over-hyped anglos..

 

[cineteq]

Which just shows that he doesn't have the brain to win a GT (just like Andy), and that he should focus on week long stage races.

TJVG has the same GT winning potential as Porte and that is 0.

+1 When in Rome?

TJ's brain might be fixable, Andy's seems permanently damaged.

 

[theyoungest]

no he couldn't van garderen sucks at steep climbs. also talansky was the only rider to finish within a minute of quintana in the avenir mountain itt. that vaeraged over 7 watt for quintana! the rest all lost 2 minutes or more

Van Garderen is more explosive than Talansky on steep hills. Talansky lost about a minute every time on those walls. Van Garderen as a neo pro got 6th in Valdepeñas. So that evens it out.

What Talansky did in an Avenir TT doesn't matter in this regard. Van Garderen probably could have done the same.

 

[Jason_Mercier]

He was the winner of Circuito Montañés with 21 years. He was there in Alpe D'Huez Dauphiné 2010 with 22 years. Then showed good climbing skills in this TDF especially in the CDF ascent when the favourites only could stay at Sky wheel. Then in Peyragudes with guys like Valverde or Van Den Broeck. Hes not a superclimber but he can improve in the mountains and challenge for the nexts TDFs.

 

[theyoungest]

He was the winner of Circuito Montañés with 21 years. He was there in Alpe D'Huez Dauphiné 2010 with 22 years. Then showed good climbing skills in this TDF especially in the CDF ascent when the favourites only could stay at Sky wheel. Then in Peyragudes with guys like Valverde or Van Den Broeck. Hes not a superclimber but he can improve in the mountains and challenge for the nexts TDFs.

If you ask me who could potentially be a better climber, between Van Garderen and Porte, I'm inclined to say Porte. Tejay got dropped like a stone when Porte went full throttle in the Algarve, and in the Dauphiné. The guy is 63 kg, he's really built more like a climber than a time trialist.

 

[Jason_Mercier]

Potentially. He hasnt demontrated yet. And his trajectory is so irregular.

 

[theyoungest]

Potentially. He hasnt demontrated yet. And his trajectory is so irregular.

He hasn't demonstrated yet? How did he not demonstrate it when he dropped Van Garderen on climbs, numerous times?

He just hasn't had a chance to ride for himself in GTs, except for the first time, when he got 7th or something.

 

[Jason_Mercier]

Nunerous times? Algarve and? Dauphiné? Van Garderen is younger than Richie. Take it in count.

 

[Jason_Mercier]

You mean Dauphiné 2012? Haha Was Van Garderen in top shape? NO by far. And Richie Porte ride for Sky. VG would be something like Greg Lemond if he would be a member of the friends group of Sky.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Who was Porte in amateurs if we compare him to VG?

porte started cycling very late(in his 20) but rode amazingly as soon as he hit the scene. I remember how he hammered the baby giro itt

 

[Christian]

Bob Jungels. Surprised he wasn't mentioned (sorry if I missed it, skimmed through but didn't find him)

Some people might think he is an ITT/classics/cobbles kind of rider. But he went to Italy and went up against those skinny Italians. And he found out that he can do it. In Giro del Friuli and Giro della Valle d'Aosta he showed that he can climb with the best. Same in Tour de l'Avenir.

As Ryo Hazuki once famously claimed about another rider - "the guy has no weaknesses!!!!!". Or as Andy Schleck put it - "Maybe in a few years we'll all be riding for him".

 

[theyoungest]

You mean Dauphiné 2012? Haha Was Van Garderen in top shape? NO by far. And Richie Porte ride for Sky. VG would be something like Greg Lemond if he would be a member of the friends group of Sky.

Okay. I'll give you an instance of Van Garderen in top shape: the Tour de France, Les Belles Filles. Porte went full gas (having formed the bottom of a pile of riders the day before), and Van Garderen went bye-bye.

Bob Jungels. Surprised he wasn't mentioned (sorry if I missed it, skimmed through but didn't find him)

Some people might think he is an ITT/classics/cobbles kind of rider. But he went to Italy and went up against those skinny Italians. And he found out that he can do it. In Giro del Friuli and Giro della Valle d'Aosta he showed that he can climb with the best. Same in Tour de l'Avenir.

As Ryo Hazuki once famously claimed about another rider - "the guy has no weaknesses!!!!!". Or as Andy Schleck put it - "Maybe in a few years we'll all be riding for him".

Bob Jungels can't climb with the best. He showed that in l'Avenir. If he becomes a GC rider it will be more like Tony Martin.

 

[Christian]

Bob Jungels can't climb with the best. He showed that in l'Avenir. If he becomes a GC rider it will be more like Tony Martin.

IINM he hadn't specifically prepared for l'Avenir, I think he used it more as preparation for another race (WC?) but I could be wrong. IIRC he even said in an interview that it was a pity to come to such a great race and not compete for the win. Plus you must also consider that in the National Events he never really had a team

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Bob Jungels. Surprised he wasn't mentioned (sorry if I missed it, skimmed through but didn't find him)

Some people might think he is an ITT/classics/cobbles kind of rider. But he went to Italy and went up against those skinny Italians. And he found out that he can do it. In Giro del Friuli and Giro della Valle d'Aosta he showed that he can climb with the best. Same in Tour de l'Avenir.

As Ryo Hazuki once famously claimed about another rider - "the guy has no weaknesses!!!!!". Or as Andy Schleck put it - "Maybe in a few years we'll all be riding for him".

LOL. jungels can't climb well at all. in that italian race you said he was in a solo effort when he was already long gone in gc, because he can't keep up with the real ones. he could become great classical rider