Heart says Nibs, head says Yates (can out climb both TommyD & Roglic on the longer climbs, has improved TT-ing (and 2 of the 3 TT's he should hold his own) and he & the team have learned from last year).
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I see along the same lines, Yates/Dumoulin ftw, Roglic can podium, NIbali can hopefully pull a pink bunny off his hat...Robert5091 said:Heart says Nibs, head says Yates (can out climb both TommyD & Roglic on the longer climbs, has improved TT-ing (and 2 of the 3 TT's he should hold his own) and he & the team have learned from last year).
Valv.Piti said:You are understating how hard this Giro will be with those monster distances on some of the hardest days. This is a bit more than proper....Climbing said:Hoping for Vincenzo, endurance might count for something in a somewhat proper endurance GT (rare material nowadays).
Climbing said:Valv.Piti said:You are understating how hard this Giro will be with those monster distances on some of the hardest days. This is a bit more than proper....Climbing said:Hoping for Vincenzo, endurance might count for something in a somewhat proper endurance GT (rare material nowadays).
I've been around a very long while and we both know it used to be even harder, compensated by longer ITTs obviously.
Endurance has always been a pivotal part of the sport and I don't understand the late trend of stupidly short stages.
That was my point.
I do.movingtarget said:Climbing said:Valv.Piti said:You are understating how hard this Giro will be with those monster distances on some of the hardest days. This is a bit more than proper....Climbing said:Hoping for Vincenzo, endurance might count for something in a somewhat proper endurance GT (rare material nowadays).
I've been around a very long while and we both know it used to be even harder, compensated by longer ITTs obviously.
Endurance has always been a pivotal part of the sport and I don't understand the late trend of stupidly short stages.
That was my point.
The idea is to have more drama in the final days. Some short stages are good, others don't change the race much. It seems that the super long mountain stages and TTs which never used to be seen as super long are now a relic of the past. A few longer stages wouldn't hurt now and then but long TTs are probably gone for good for better or worse. The days of the long mountain solo breakaway re Virenque or Chiappucci seem a long time ago now. ASO has the TV audience firmly on it's mind now but does anyone watch long flat stages end to end now ?
Forums were around before most Millennials were bornEscarabajo said:I probably did something wrong but don't what!!!tobydawq said:Yeah, the poll doesn't work. But don't worry. They NEVER work. These polls must use the most complicated system imaginable...
Fortunately, that won't prevent Roglic from winning this race.
I am not a millennial so these type of things go over my head!
movingtarget said:Climbing said:Valv.Piti said:You are understating how hard this Giro will be with those monster distances on some of the hardest days. This is a bit more than proper....Climbing said:Hoping for Vincenzo, endurance might count for something in a somewhat proper endurance GT (rare material nowadays).
I've been around a very long while and we both know it used to be even harder, compensated by longer ITTs obviously.
Endurance has always been a pivotal part of the sport and I don't understand the late trend of stupidly short stages.
That was my point.
The idea is to have more drama in the final days. Some short stages are good, others don't change the race much. It seems that the super long mountain stages and TTs which never used to be seen as super long are now a relic of the past. A few longer stages wouldn't hurt now and then but long TTs are probably gone for good for better or worse. The days of the long mountain solo breakaway re Virenque or Chiappucci seem a long time ago now. ASO has the TV audience firmly on it's mind now but does anyone watch long flat stages end to end now ?
Point taken. Some GTs, especially a few decades ago, were obviously harder endurance wise. But in this context this is probably the hardest it get and we should applaud that IMOClimbing said:Valv.Piti said:You are understating how hard this Giro will be with those monster distances on some of the hardest days. This is a bit more than proper....Climbing said:Hoping for Vincenzo, endurance might count for something in a somewhat proper endurance GT (rare material nowadays).
I've been around a very long while and we both know it used to be even harder, compensated by longer ITTs obviously.
Endurance has always been a pivotal part of the sport and I don't understand the late trend of stupidly short stages.
That was my point.
Valv.Piti said:Point taken. Some GTs, especially a few decades ago, were obviously harder endurance wise. But in this context this is probably the hardest it get and we should applaud that IMOClimbing said:Valv.Piti said:You are understating how hard this Giro will be with those monster distances on some of the hardest days. This is a bit more than proper....Climbing said:Hoping for Vincenzo, endurance might count for something in a somewhat proper endurance GT (rare material nowadays).
I've been around a very long while and we both know it used to be even harder, compensated by longer ITTs obviously.
Endurance has always been a pivotal part of the sport and I don't understand the late trend of stupidly short stages.
That was my point.
42x16ss said:I voted "other" before checking if Fuglsang is even starting :lol:
It's hard to see the winner coming from anyone other than the first six listed in the poll, but Roglic and Yates really stand out for me so far this year. Hoping for Roglic's sake he hasn't gone too deep already.
Also, O'Connor to lift his game over last year, and ride a solid top 10.
Robert5091 said:9 stages over 200 km (plus one at 194 km) - it must be a while since that happened.
Singer01 said:Voted Dumoulin but I go back and forth between him and Yates, if both have decent luck, no sickness/crashes (big if) I don't see anyone else having a chance.