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Hugo Koblet said:
Valv.Piti said:
Hugo Koblet said:
You guys sure have some liberal definitions of what makes a legend. To me, the only currently active riders that, based on their current palmares, will become legends are Contador, Boonen and Cavendish. Sagan likely will, Froome has a decent shot at it as well and Quintana is an outside possibility also. Then there are a bunch of young guys with potential to become legends as well, but it's way too early too speculate about that.
To answer the question: Some of the riders in the poll have the potential to grab two wins (Stannard, Stybar, Vanmarcke certainly won't though), but none of them the potential to become legends.
I say Nibali and Valverde also are legends. At least more so than Cavendish is.
GVA needs to win a BUNCH of races to be even considered one atm.
I disagree on Cavendish vs Valverde and Nibali. I'm not sure if Valverde and Nibali will be remembered in 50 years - perhaps they will - but Cavendish will enter the history books as probably the best sprinter in cycling's history.
I don't think we have a real contest between Cav and Bala. First of all, the term "best sprinter" is reserved for special breed of riders who developed in the last 25-30 years, and who can't do pretty much beside sprinting. In the past best sprinters were able to win major classics, some of the hardest races, even stage races and were able to place high in GT's. This new breed can't do that, they can only sprint. That's why riders like Girardengo, Van Steenbergen, Van Looy, Maertens are light years ahead of those so called top sprinters.
On the other hand, we have Valverde, who dominated World rankings for half a decade, and was in the top 5 in the other half. Such consistency we find in the past in the likes of Jalabert, Kelly, Hinault, Merckx, Van Looy, Anquetil, Kubler, Coppi...
So we could compare let's say the weakest of those all-rounders, Jalabert, to best of the sprinters, that would be Cipollini. My humble opinion is that Jaja is ahead of Cipo by some margin. So by that logic, Valverde, who is imo slightly better rider than Jaja, is naturally ahead of Cav who is slightly worse than Cipo. Just my opinion