Who would win if TDF was raced as TT ???

[CQmanager]

Who would win TDF if every stage of TDF was run as an individual time trial with no drafting rule?

Would Cancellara, Martin or any other TT specials be able to get over the big hills to take the win?

I would still go with Evans or perhaps Wiggins. I'm sure the Schlecks wouldnt be on podium, thats for sure.

 

[Moondance]

Contador....

That is all.

 

[Anonymous]

Lance Armstrong

Kinda weird idea though. Like asking who would win the team pursuit at the olympics if they rode on horses.

But to answer the question, there would probably only be 1 or 2 finishers. A large portion of the field would be elliminated on the first full stage for finishing outside the time, and everyone else would be eliminated by the end of the first three days in the mountains. Contador would then have to ride about 2000km on his own for the last ten days.

 

[The Hitch]

I would still go with Evans

How is he going to win a race where he can't wheelsuck

 

[danjo007]

bad troll attempt hitch. evans easily atm. he proved it this year.

 

[Anonymous]

Whatever happened, it would be the worst sport ever.

 

[Eric8-A]

Contador. That is if they add some mountainous TT's instead of just regular flat ones.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Agree with TFF.

I would however like to see us go back to at least one Tour like the early 90's with about 200km total TT distance. Imagine if on Stage 3 we had a 50km TTT, stage 8 had a 65km ITT, then between the Pyranees and Alps we had a 35km uphill ITT, and then after the final mountain stages had a 45km ITT.

Who would win a Tour like that?

 

[Marcus135]

Agree with TFF.

I would however like to see us go back to at least one Tour like the early 90's with about 200km total TT distance. Imagine if on Stage 3 we had a 50km TTT, stage 8 had a 65km ITT, then between the Pyranees and Alps we had a 35km uphill ITT, and then after the final mountain stages had a 45km ITT.

Who would win a Tour like that?

Contador, no doubt.

 

[ElChingon]

Nobody has said Jens Voigt yet? Remember who drags them all through all those stages for what percentage of the time? Sure your current GT winners are up there in the last 1/6 to 1/8 th of the race but as you can see there are still 5/6 and 7/8 th's of the race to be dealt with. Its really who ever has the best endurance TT or not. Its basically RAAM or the old Tour format. Then we'd have to watch out for riders hitching a ride or having some kid pump their tires

 

[The Hitch]

bad troll attempt hitch. evans easily atm. he proved it this year.

Now thats trolling.

Evans could beat Contador? Yeah right.

Do we even need to bring out times up mountains or tt results, or which rider has been able to attack 100k out on a stage, ride 60% of it into the wind and still have the strengh to attack 14k from the end and podium the stage?

That while totaly off form.

The only thing more dominant than Contador in real gts would be Contador in these hypothetical gts. Even if you gave Evans 10 of his 2 minute head starts he still wouldnt come close.

Personaly i believe this would suit my man Samu perfectly as well and he could come 2nd. No crashes and ttts to eliminate him, and he is an amazing tter descender and climber. Hes a rider who paces himself to perfection.

On Plateau everytime other riders attacked he gently maintained the same pace until he caught them, then dropped them all.

Andy Schleck would also do very well assuming this is done on real bikes not tt ones.

Nibali as well.

But everyone 20 minutes + back on Contador.

Agree with TFF.

I would however like to see us go back to at least one Tour like the early 90's with about 200km total TT distance. Imagine if on Stage 3 we had a 50km TTT, stage 8 had a 65km ITT, then between the Pyranees and Alps we had a 35km uphill ITT, and then after the final mountain stages had a 45km ITT.

Who would win a Tour like that?

Same answer as to any question regarding the victor of hypothetical gts. Or the winner of real gts.

There is one guy who is possibly the greatest climber of all time and by far the best tter of all the GC contenders (baring maybe Wiggins).

So throw 50k 200k or 2000k of tts in there if you want. So long as there is mountain in the race for the man to drop Martin and Cancellara, the name is always going to be the same.

 

[abbaskip]

There is one guy who is possibly the greatest climber of all time and by far the best tter of all the GC contenders (baring maybe Wiggins).
.

Best climber of all time? Even last year he was no better a climber than Schleck. They were basically equals.

And he isn't the best TTer of the contenders. Everything equal, I'd back Evans and Wiggins ahead of him in most TTs. Those three are well and truly the top three though.

 

[jobiwan]

Who would even think about such a thing? Libertine might rather watch a TDF sprint than an entire Tour-de-TT!!

 

[abbaskip]

Cadel and Contador would be quite a bit ahead of the rest of the field.

I think Cancellara and Martin would beat the Schlecks. Waaay too much flat riding on their lonesome.

Cadel might pip Contador because of the amount of flat stuff. Contador is a good TTer, but that's for 40-50km on rolling or flat terrain. Riding a full day hard and flat, I think is where Cadel is stronger.

This is all assuming the course would be basically the same as they are at the moment.

Wiggins would go fairly well too. I'd back him for third.

 

[The Hitch]

Best climber of all time? Even last year he was no better a climber than Schleck. They were basically equals.

And he isn't the best TTer of the contenders. Everything equal, I'd back Evans and Wiggins ahead of him in most TTs. Those three are well and truly the top three though.

You would back Cadel over Contador in a tt?

Hope for your sake your not a gambler then.

Wiggins is also way better than Cadel.

And if you think Cadel is "head and shoulders" above Samuel Sanchez, then you really are ignorant.

I had hoped these sportzchick types would be gone by the by Julys end.

Cadel and Contador would be quite a bit ahead of the rest of the field.

I think Cancellara and Martin would beat the Schlecks. Waaay too much flat riding on their lonesome.

Cadel might pip Contador because of the amount of flat stuff. Contador is a good TTer, but that's for 40-50km on rolling or flat terrain. Riding a full day hard and flat, I think is where Cadel is stronger.

This is all assuming the course would be basically the same as they are at the moment.

Wiggins would go fairly well too. I'd back him for third.

No. No matter how you spin it, Cadel would not get anywhere near to Contador.

Have you ever seen Contador climb? You honestly think that someone who has never won a mountain stage is going to compete with a guy that has the highest VAM recorded in history, the record up Plateau de Beille.

Who put 2 minutes into everyone on Grossglockner and Etna. Who won on the Alto di Angrilu and came 2nd on Zoncolan while well in his capacity.

Of course there is a prescedent for this. Cadel put 20 seconds into Scarponi and Nibali in exactly such a situation - tt, on the Kronplatz, one of the most difficult climbs in the world.

By comparison on the shorter and calmer Nvegal, Contador put a minute into Scarponi and Nibali while riding within himself.

Dont be stupid. Everything that has happened over the last few years suggests Evans would not get anywhere near Contador in such a contest.

And if you think Contador is weak on flat tts, look at the Milan tt where he did a victory lap around the city celebrating, and still came 3rd.

The Annency tt where he beat the greatest tter of all time was 90% flat.
It was not rolling, it had one catergory 3 climb towards the end, but the time on everyone else was gained on the flats. Contador was up on everyone else before the climb anyway.

Not that he would need to be any good on flats considering the gap he would put into Cadel (and everyone else) on the uphill bits.

I reckon he could win that 2010 stage 16 2 hc 2 cat 1 into Pau race, by the same margin Mercx won it. If not more.

 

[danjo007]

sorry hitch. i didnt realize cadel won it this year

 

[The Hitch]

sorry hitch. i didnt realize cadel won it this year

Yeah, he won it after Contador did the Giro,

Its this race in May which takes a lot out of riders for the Tour. In recent years riders who do the Giro have struggled to perform in the Tour and this years edition was particularly brutal significantly weakening Contador, who was not himself. Evans did it last year for example which helps explain why he couldnt even get top 20.

The Op however doesnt say that Contador is supposed to go into this race off form. He doesnt even say that Menchov or Nibali cannot enter this race because they didnt enter your precious 2011 Tour de France.

He doenst specify startlists or rider conditions, just asks which rider would win.

And an on form Contador beats Evans by 5 minutes +, any gt he chooses. In this particular discipline, more like 20+ minutes.

Also in this years TDF edition, JVDB, Gesink, Dennis Menchov, Vincenzo Nibali, Samuel Sanchez and Bradley Wiggins as well as Contador and possibly Basso (rode but was injured + lost time in ttt) were all eliminated one way or another.

All top gt riders.

All could not face Evans for gc.

So to say Evans would beat all this guys based on an race where they could not take part, is stupidity gone wild.

 

[The Hitch]

I suppose if Paris Roubaix was raced an itt Johann Van Summeren would win because he won this years edition.

Flawless logic.

 

[cineteq]

How is he going to win a race where he can't wheelsuck

May I laugh? LOL
Now let me take a breath.
The way he buried everyone on Stage 20 in this year's TdF!

 

[The Hitch]

May I laugh? LOL
Now let me take a breath.
The way he buried everyone on Stage 20 in this year's TdF!

What, the tt? There were only 2 people to bury, Frank Schleck and Andy Schleck. No one else had anything to fight for. That doesnt really prove that he would bury "everyone" especially since a lot of the best riders to challenge Evans, werent even in this race (Menchov, Nibali, Wiggins).

 

[Ragerod]

May I laugh? LOL
Now let me take a breath.
The way he buried everyone on Stage 20 in this year's TdF!

Well Wiggins buried him on that course in June.

The performance doesn't mean much unless it's replicated on a regular basis.

 

[Polish]

A RAAM Rider could finish the entire course in about 5 days.
Heck, then turn around and ride it in the opposite direction.

But it you had individual stages and spread the race over three weeks, they would not fare as well.

I would guess the results for winners would not differ much from the current winners.
The toughest guys would still win.

Fewer crashes though.
Levi would have won a couple of Tours if they were TT start to finish.

 

[BigChain]

You would back Cadel over Contador in a tt?

No. No matter how you spin it, Cadel would not get anywhere near to Contador.

Have you ever seen Contador climb? You honestly think that someone who has never won a mountain stage is going to compete with a guy that has the highest VAM recorded in history, the record up Plateau de Beille.

Who put 2 minutes into everyone on Grossglockner and Etna. Who won on the Alto di Angrilu and came 2nd on Zoncolan while well in his capacity.

Of course there is a prescedent for this. Cadel put 20 seconds into Scarponi and Nibali in exactly such a situation - tt, on the Kronplatz, one of the most difficult climbs in the world.

By comparison on the shorter and calmer Nvegal, Contador put a minute into Scarponi and Nibali while riding within himself.

Dont be stupid. Everything that has happened over the last few years suggests Evans would not get anywhere near Contador in such a contest.

In this part of the Forum Contador might win, but in another part of the Forum he has a meeting with CAS coming up pretty soon which might make his future VAM just that little bit slower!

 

[Eric8-A]

I've always thought the idea of a multi-day TT race would be a good idea. Maybe not as long as three weeks though

 

[auscyclefan94]

You would back Cadel over Contador in a tt?

Hope for your sake your not a gambler then.

Wiggins is also way better than Cadel.

And if you think Cadel is "head and shoulders" above Samuel Sanchez, then you really are ignorant.

I had hoped these sportzchick types would be gone by the by Julys end.

No. No matter how you spin it, Cadel would not get anywhere near to Contador.

Have you ever seen Contador climb? You honestly think that someone who has never won a mountain stage is going to compete with a guy that has the highest VAM recorded in history, the record up Plateau de Beille.

Who put 2 minutes into everyone on Grossglockner and Etna. Who won on the Alto di Angrilu and came 2nd on Zoncolan while well in his capacity.

Of course there is a prescedent for this. Cadel put 20 seconds into Scarponi and Nibali in exactly such a situation - tt, on the Kronplatz, one of the most difficult climbs in the world.

By comparison on the shorter and calmer Nvegal, Contador put a minute into Scarponi and Nibali while riding within himself.

Dont be stupid. Everything that has happened over the last few years suggests Evans would not get anywhere near Contador in such a contest.

And if you think Contador is weak on flat tts, look at the Milan tt where he did a victory lap around the city celebrating, and still came 3rd.

The Annency tt where he beat the greatest tter of all time was 90% flat.
It was not rolling, it had one catergory 3 climb towards the end, but the time on everyone else was gained on the flats. Contador was up on everyone else before the climb anyway.

Not that he would need to be any good on flats considering the gap he would put into Cadel (and everyone else) on the uphill bits.

I reckon he could win that 2010 stage 16 2 hc 2 cat 1 into Pau race, by the same margin Mercx won it. If not more.

I think since the tour and seeing Alberto at la vuelta, you have become star struck by him. You really can't compare Evans during the giro last with Contador in the giro this year. Evans would come a lot closer than you think. Evans is head and shoulders above Sanchez. He's a hack.