Who would win if TDF was raced as TT ???

[Havetts]

No way to tell who'd win, one bad day for 200 km on your own could cost you an hour +/-.. Plus if it is like it is know I'd say a heavy classics rider would have a great chance to win it, 10 flat stages on your own minimumly means you'd be able to get around half an hour per stage to the climbers.

 

[abbaskip]

I think this thread has just highlighted to everyone Hitch's man crush on Contador.

My thoughts exactly

 

[The Hitch]

My thoughts exactly

If you didnt know i liked Contador you havent really ventured out of the Evans rocks threads have you?

 

[spalco]

Although I was deeply impressed by Contador's riding style this year, I'm still a resolute member of the Contador-hater club, but I don't disagree with what Hitch said about him in this thread.

 

[Midnightfright]

No way to tell who'd win, one bad day for 200 km on your own could cost you an hour +/-.. Plus if it is like it is know I'd say a heavy classics rider would have a great chance to win it, 10 flat stages on your own minimumly means you'd be able to get around half an hour per stage to the climbers.

It would be very funny watching with bated breath to see which of the great GC men of the day would come out of this man vs man only to witness Nick Nuyens win by 45 minutes

 

[King Of The Wolds]

I'm not convinced this is a foregone conclusion. Just how many flat kms are there in the Tour. An awful lot, and not just on the flat stages. A good chunk of the mountain stages is flat, too. Contador may be the best all rounder when a GT has half a dozen mountain stages and around 50km of ITT action. But could he really limit his losses to Tony Martin (assuming Martin had the stamina required to translate his dominance over 50km races to 200km races) sufficiently over a couple of thousand flat ITT kms, that he could make up on a couple of hundred of climbing kilometers?

 

[sublimit]

I'd also go with Evans, going off at ten munute intervals it would be fascinating viewing this..

Somebody like Vasil Kiryenka would do quite well IMO.

 

[cineteq]

What, the tt? There were only 2 people to bury, Frank Schleck and Andy Schleck. No one else had anything to fight for. That doesnt really prove that he would bury "everyone" especially since a lot of the best riders to challenge Evans, werent even in this race (Menchov, Nibali, Wiggins).

So when you can't justify Contador over Evans, you just talk nonsense? It's time for you to put aside your fanboyism and recognize Evans as the best overall rider of 2011 and most likely 2012.

 

[spalco]

Evans as the best overall rider of 2011 and most likely 2012.

lol, on what grounds?

 

[The Hitch]

So when you can't justify Contador over Evans, you just talk nonsense? It's time for you to put aside your fanboyism and recognize Evans as the best overall rider of 2011 and most likely 2012.

Read the thread. Im the one that offered scenarios - 2009 Tour, Contadors times up mountains, Annency tt Milan tt along with profiles.

Im the one that compared Giro mountain tts and their times against nibali and Scarponi.

Its your side which including yourself which has yet to move past the "Hitch is a fanboy" stage and offer some analysis. The average lenght of a Evans would win this, post on this thread is about 2 lines. 1 of which is usually taken up by calling me a fanboy (which doesnt get you very far in reality).

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

To the OP, it would definately be a member of the TT worlds podium - mountains or no mountains, you're taking about circa 3000km of flat TTing.

 

[Midnightfright]

Read the thread. Im the one that offered scenarios - 2009 Tour, Contadors times up mountains, Annency tt Milan tt along with profiles.

Im the one that compared Giro mountain tts and their times against nibali and Scarponi.

Its your side which including yourself which has yet to move past the "Hitch is a fanboy" stage and offer some analysis. The average lenght of a Evans would win this, post on this thread is about 2 lines. 1 of which is usually taken up by calling me a fanboy (which doesnt get you very far in reality).

What you don't seemed to have addresed yet Hitch is just how would each rider deal with 15 days of nearly 200k TT a day. All the numbers we have are for compartively shorter disances so its hard to get a fair idea of just how well somone would do in a 150km mountain stage. Altough I do agree the results we have to work with suggest Contador.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

What you don't seemed to have addresed yet Hitch is just how would each rider deal with 15 days of nearly 200k TT a day. All the numbers we have are for compartively shorter disances so its hard to get a fair idea of just how well somone would do in a 150km mountain stage. Altough I do agree the results we have to work with suggest Contador.

To be honest, I struggle to see Contador doing well in this format, without a complete body reshape.

You'd want to be around 75 Kilos for this - the winner needs to be comfortable churning out 300-350W 5 hours a day, for 3 weeks.

 

[just some guy]

As I said before stick man with Cobble.

 

[cineteq]

Read the thread. Im the one that offered scenarios - 2009 Tour, Contadors times up mountains, Annency tt Milan tt along with profiles.

Im the one that compared Giro mountain tts and their times against nibali and Scarponi.

Its your side which including yourself which has yet to move past the "Hitch is a fanboy" stage and offer some analysis. The average lenght of a Evans would win this, post on this thread is about 2 lines. 1 of which is usually taken up by calling me a fanboy (which doesnt get you very far in reality).

2009? That was long time ago, it's irrelevant. The day you'd stop writing these one-sentence-paragraphs (did anybody tell how hard is too read that?) and offer concise and unbiased analysis, that day, I will start considering you a serious poster, in the meantime you're just a fanboy rambling about your favorite riders.

 

[Captain_Cavman]

To the OP, it would definately be a member of the TT worlds podium - mountains or no mountains, you're taking about circa 3000km of flat TTing.

Yup. It'll be a heavyweight who can limit losses in the mountains. All three of the World's TT podium can climb, Cancellara can descend too, so he'd be my pick ahead of Martin and Wiggins.

 

[RedZone]

To the OP, it would definately be a member of the TT worlds podium - mountains or no mountains, you're taking about circa 3000km of flat TTing.

I think agree with this.

martin for example put over a minute into second best over 45km, with the amount of flat in the tour he would be giving himself a huge lead for the mountains. There's simply not enough climbing for him to lose the amount of time he would gain.

 

[bicing]

Talking RAAM. Do you think any of the top pro riders would be a Top contender in RAAM type of race? I dont think so. The are used to going hard for 5h then rest.

BMC's Daniel Wyss.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

(did anybody tell how hard is too read that?)

Missing a word (or 3). Misspelt another. Apart from that, not even slightly ironic for you to use that sentence to insult someone else's writing style.

 

[Angliru]

Definitely not the fans. One-3-week-long-no-draft-bike-leg of a triathlon.ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!

 

[spalco]

What you don't seemed to have addresed yet Hitch is just how would each rider deal with 15 days of nearly 200k TT a day. All the numbers we have are for compartively shorter disances so its hard to get a fair idea of just how well somone would do in a 150km mountain stage. Altough I do agree the results we have to work with suggest Contador.

That's definitely a point in the favour of "traditional" GC guys over the TT powerhouses imo. If Cancellara or Martin have a bad day in the Tour everybody's "oh well, what can you do, he did a lot of work yesterday", if a GC guy has a bad day, he's not a GC guy anymore if his bad day happens in a 200K TT. For example, in the Alpe d'Huez stage before the Grenoble TT this year, Tony Martin came in as 163. rider. If he did that in this scenario he would lose hours on the leaderboard. The ability to recover is probably even more important here than it is in a normal GT.

 

[Anonymous]

I still say only one or two riders would finish

Stage 1 - 220km over rolling terrain with wind, and intermitent rain. How many riders would finish outside of the time limit??? You could probably wipe out 25% of the field straight off.

None of the big riders would be able to ride well every day, the nature of time trialling means you are using a lot more energy and everyone would have a few bad days.

i would guess that by the end of the first week we would be down to 6 or 7 riders.

By the middle of the second week we would be down to maybe four, Wiggins, Cancellara, Contador, Evans, and then by the end of three days in the mountains there would only be 1 or 2 left. The final ten days would see two riders battling it out.

 

[spalco]

^^
Let's say there aren't any time limits then to make it more fair.

 

[just some guy]

I still say only one or two riders would finish

Stage 1 - 220km over rolling terrain with wind, and intermitent rain. How many riders would finish outside of the time limit??? You could probably wipe out 25% of the field straight off.

None of the big riders would be able to ride well every day, the nature of time trialling means you are using a lot more energy and everyone would have a few bad days.

i would guess that by the end of the first week we would be down to 6 or 7 riders.

I would guess that not 1 rider would show up at the start

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

I should probably save a wag some time and point out that Lars & Bert have already dominated this format for HTC several times.