Who would win if TDF was raced as TT ???

[just some guy]

Hitch I think your biplay with AFC maybe blinding you.

Appart from the idea of ITT tour being really dumb a person who can grind solo day in day out would win.

Basso
Evans
Wiggins types. All the flat stuff would kill riders like Samu and Andy.

Contador would do well and probably would win but not by much.

 

[Maxiton]

Agree with TFF.

I would however like to see us go back to at least one Tour like the early 90's with about 200km total TT distance. Imagine if on Stage 3 we had a 50km TTT, stage 8 had a 65km ITT, then between the Pyranees and Alps we had a 35km uphill ITT, and then after the final mountain stages had a 45km ITT.

Who would win a Tour like that?

That would be a great Tour. I'd love to see that.

As for the OP's question - a three week Tour de Time Trial de France, I'll go with Contador, but probably by a far more narrow margin than the Hitch seems to believe. He'd have a fight on his hands with Cadel. And in general one would be wise not to underestimate this year's Tour winner. After all, he is no longer in the hands of those Davitamon-Lotto fools and he is pure talent.

Jim Ochowicz, co-owner of BMC, recently made a telling comment about Evans. "(Evans) knows what he has in us, and we know what we have in him." No one facing Evans in a GT is guaranteed a win.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

The time gaps would be huge. I'm pretty sure someone like Cancellara or Martin would win solely because of their power. Or Wiggins.

 

[Jancouver]

A RAAM Rider could finish the entire course in about 5 days.
Heck, then turn around and ride it in the opposite direction.

But it you had individual stages and spread the race over three weeks, they would not fare as well.

I would guess the results for winners would not differ much from the current winners.
The toughest guys would still win.

Fewer crashes though.
Levi would have won a couple of Tours if they were TT start to finish.

Talking RAAM. Do you think any of the top pro riders would be a Top contender in RAAM type of race? I dont think so. The are used to going hard for 5h then rest.

I dont think Contador would win Tour of TT. He can climb and do well in short TT but I dont think he got the engine of Bernie Eisel to hammer for 3 weeks. After all there is 5:1 flats over hills if not more.

3 day TT stage race with rolling hills of about 500Km total would be awesome! Or how about the 5 Monuments being raced as stage race TT. AWESOME!

 

[Marcus135]

I think this thread has just highlighted to everyone Hitch's man crush on Contador.

 

[Midnightfright]

Talking RAAM. Do you think any of the top pro riders would be a Top contender in RAAM type of race? I dont think so. The are used to going hard for 5h then rest.

I dont think Contador would win Tour of TT. He can climb and do well in short TT but I dont think he got the engine of Bernie Eisel to hammer for 3 weeks. After all there is 5:1 flats over hills if not more.

3 day TT stage race with rolling hills of about 500Km total would be awesome! Or how about the 5 Monuments being raced as stage race TT. AWESOME!

I think all these flat stages would really take it our of Samu and Contador. Altough not enough out of him to stop him from winning tbh. I this sort of thing would be absolutely perfect for Wiggans with his pursuit background he is perfect pacing himself and is good at looking after himself on the flat and has proven he is a very good climber this year. Same goes for Cadel who would gain time on Wiggonzo on the climbs but would lose some on the flats but I don't know by how much.

1.Contador
2/3 Wiggans
2/3 Evans
4.Nibali
5.Tony Martin

 

[Pharazon]

Who would win TDF if every stage of TDF was run as an individual time trial with no drafting rule?

Would Cancellara, Martin or any other TT specials be able to get over the big hills to take the win?

I would still go with Evans or perhaps Wiggins. I'm sure the Schlecks wouldnt be on podium, thats for sure.

bert grabsch, without a doubt

 

[just some guy]

Tell you who else would go well.

Stick man with Cobble - can ride all day on the front, can climb well hard as

 

[greenedge]

Agree with TFF.

I would however like to see us go back to at least one Tour like the early 90's with about 200km total TT distance. Imagine if on Stage 3 we had a 50km TTT, stage 8 had a 65km ITT, then between the Pyranees and Alps we had a 35km uphill ITT, and then after the final mountain stages had a 45km ITT.

Who would win a Tour like that?

Based on this year Cadel. However at the TDF there has not been that many Mountain ITT's whereas Contador has competed in a few in the Giro. Cadel can do ok on that though and his team is stronger ( was this year and with TJVG and Hushovd it still will be in the TTT )

@ MidnightFright why do you think Nibali would go so well. Uran could go well on something like this along with TJVG.

Overall relating to the thread topic Cadel or Contador.

 

[greenedge]

Hitch I think your biplay with AFC maybe blinding you.

Appart from the idea of ITT tour being really dumb a person who can grind solo day in day out would win.

Basso
Evans
Wiggins types.

How come Basso never goes well in ITT's then??? Samu can do an ok ITT.

 

[greenedge]

Yeah, he won it after Contador did the Giro,

Its this race in May which takes a lot out of riders for the Tour. In recent years riders who do the Giro have struggled to perform in the Tour and this years edition was particularly brutal significantly weakening Contador, who was not himself. Evans did it last year for example which helps explain why he couldnt even get top 20.

The Op however doesnt say that Contador is supposed to go into this race off form. He doesnt even say that Menchov or Nibali cannot enter this race because they didnt enter your precious 2011 Tour de France.

He doenst specify startlists or rider conditions, just asks which rider would win.

And an on form Contador beats Evans by 5 minutes +, any gt he chooses. In this particular discipline, more like 20+ minutes.

Also in this years TDF edition, JVDB, Gesink, Dennis Menchov, Vincenzo Nibali, Samuel Sanchez and Bradley Wiggins as well as Contador and possibly Basso (rode but was injured + lost time in ttt) were all eliminated one way or another.

All top gt riders.

All could not face Evans for gc.

So to say Evans would beat all this guys based on an race where they could not take part, is stupidity gone wild.

I would still say Evans would beat all those above riders. Your'e right in the sense some had bad luck at the TDF or did not attend but they had other goals. Nibali could not even go well at the Vuelta. Menchov had an off year this year ( 06/08/10 at the TDF ) good years.

Evans did have yellow for a while in 10. Remember he did crash, so i still think he could have got into the top 5 at least if not for the crash, Giro ride nonwithstanding.

 

[spalco]

I think I would put the top-TTers above the top-climbers in this race. I think Cancellara and Martin wouldn't lose more than 10 minutes or so on any typical mountain stage, and that's time they can easily make up on the flat and hilly stages. They wouldn't beat Contador obviously, but I think they would beat the Schlecks for example and a podium placing should be within reach.

 

[Kvinto]

i think Alberto Contador is a bit overrated time trialist and taking into account the amount of flat stages in the Tour... i would say Wiggins.

 

[Bavarianrider]

I'd go with Evans.
The funny thing is, the very first Tour de Frances were often more or less raced TT. At least there was no such thing like a peleton. In most stages groups of a few riders were riding on their own for 100 of km.

 

[Midnightfright]

Based on this year Cadel. However at the TDF there has not been that many Mountain ITT's whereas Contador has competed in a few in the Giro. Cadel can do ok on that though and his team is stronger ( was this year and with TJVG and Hushovd it still will be in the TTT )

@ MidnightFright why do you think Nibali would go so well. Uran could go well on something like this along with TJVG.

Overall relating to the thread topic Cadel or Contador.

Where talking about 150k plus flats most days so I think a rider who can ride within himself endure the wing and obviously climb and set his own pace up climbs. I haven't seen enough evidence to suggest the other 2 would do any better than i suggeted. I think to do well u need to be a capable TT as well but its not just that its about controlling the energy exerted that is the key thing and that's were I rate Nibali.

 

[Ferminal]

Evans is great in a mountain TT (as per Kronplatz last year and Lautaret-Galibier/Telegraphe-Galibier this year).

Contador would win though, they'd both be hours ahead of the next place.

 

[spalco]

I think to do well u need to be a capable TT as well but its not just that its about controlling the energy exerted that is the key thing and that's were I rate Nibali.

Yes, but some people simply have bigger energy tanks in the first place and a more efficient transmission in a manner of speaking. And with powermeters and things like that, is it really that difficult to manage your energy? It's not like Scarponi would suicidally accelerate on the steep parts of a climb suddenly in this race and burn off his gas.

 

[Midnightfright]

Yes, but some people simply have bigger energy tanks in the first place and a more efficient transmission in a manner of speaking. And with powermeters and things like that, is it really that difficult to manage your energy? It's not like Scarponi would suicidally accelerate on the steep parts of a climb suddenly in this race and burn off his gas.

It's debabtable but you already do see people mis-manage there energy even in short TTs. and were talking 1000s of KM combined. I understand other people have differing potential but i do think a lot of riders would find it hard regulating there energy even with power meters. I think riding on the flats in the wind could really wear people out and altough there could be big gaps on mountain stages maybe 10-15 mins between good riders I believe as the race went on you could start to aee these diffrences on the flat stages.

 

[jens_attacks]

don't know but it's sick idea.
what about those navy SEALS?

 

[will10]

Whatever happened, it would be the worst sport ever.

Is it really that different an idea from the RAAM?

However, it is a different sport.

 

[Sasquatch]

how is he going to win a race where he can't wheelsuck

:d :d :d :d :d :d :d :d :d :d :d :d :d

 

[The Hitch]

Evans is head and shoulders above Sanchez. He's a hack.

What on earth does that even mean?

 

[The Hitch]

I think this thread has just highlighted to everyone Hitch's man crush on Contador.

My "mancrush" on Sanchez, Nibali, Contador, Cav, Joaquim Rodriguez, Rinaldo Nocentini (and whoeever else i will be accused of being a fanboy of in the remaining 3 days of this week) are far less parochial than 99% of the Evan's mancrushes on this board.

I admire these guys from accross borders. You guys love Evans cos hes Ozzie. If he was British, his Tour victory would be met by you guys with the same repulsion Cavs WC victory was.

You guys couldnt even take a joke with a smiley specifically inserted about the guy. And the lines of defense i see are

1 Evans won the Tour ergo he is best cycling ever AUSTRALIA RULES!!!!
2 Evans is head and shoulders above Sanchez as a tter. Hes a hack
3 Those who offer constructive analysis suggesting Contador would beat Evans in this discipline, are nothing more than fanboys.

Where is your counteranalysis donut? Dismissing opponents childishly as "having a mancrush" (does it always have to be sexual???) doesnt even begin to make an argument.

I still love Evans, how could one not like an athlete who listens to classical music. But his fans on these boards make the Fernebace hooligans i met on my last holiday look like a group of fair-minded reasonable observers.

 

[The Hitch]

Contador would win though, they'd both be hours ahead of the next place.

Im surprised at you Fermi. You think the gap between Contador and Cadel is smaller than the gap between Cadel and Menchov?

Even Samu i think is getting significantly underated here. Why would he be hourse behind Cadel?

But Menchov especially. The guy also knows how to do a mountain tt. He won the Giro 2009 supertt and that was bascally a mini version of this.

On 2010 Bordeaux tt which was pan pan flat he crushed all the gc riders big time and might have challenged Canc if not for the wind.

So why do you think Cadel could finish hours ahead of Menchov?

 

[Midnightfright]

My "mancrush" on Sanchez, Nibali, Contador, Cav, Joaquim Rodriguez, Rinaldo Nocentini (and whoeever else i will be accused of being a fanboy of in the remaining 3 days of this week) are far less parochial than 99% of the Evan's mancrushes on this board.

I admire these guys from accross borders. You guys love Evans cos hes Ozzie. If he was British, his Tour victory would be met by you guys with the same repulsion Cavs WC victory was.

You guys couldnt even take a joke with a smiley specifically inserted about the guy. And the lines of defense i see are

1 Evans won the Tour ergo he is best cycling ever AUSTRALIA RULES!!!!
2 Evans is head and shoulders above Sanchez as a tter. Hes a hack
3 Those who offer constructive analysis suggesting Contador would beat Evans in this discipline, are nothing more than fanboys.

Where is your counteranalysis donut? Dismissing opponents childishly as "having a mancrush" (does it always have to be sexual???) doesnt even begin to make an argument.

I still love Evans, how could one not like an athlete who listens to classical music. But his fans on these boards make the Fernebace hooligans i met on my last holiday look like a group of fair-minded reasonable observers.

I agree Contador would rightly be favoutie for this and I'm certainly no fanboy. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if Evans or maybe even altough less likely Wiggans could come close or beat him as I think all those 1000km's of flat would tire some riders to diffrent quite large degrees. I guess what I'm trying to say is I feel there would be a large diffrence on how riders would deal with spending the whole in the elements