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Whose Reputation Bonks with Lance?

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I'd add USA cycling to the list and hand them a 10. Back to the dark ages we go

Unfortunately but they have been "employees" of Weisel for some time. I wonder it there is a Rico link somewhere in that relationship?
 
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Add: US cyclists in general - 8-10.

With alll this bad publicity certain to come from this investigation I'm sure the ESPN watching arm chair quarterback's will be more than happy to give us an earful while driving by in their cars, even though we are in the proper bike lane following the law.

It'll just give these neanderthals more ammo to sling at us calling us all dopers in spandex while they, in their cars, hog the road.

So prepare yourselves for the pelting we'll sure to get/hear from these idiots! :mad:
 

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Within the cycling community, the Hater's reputation will bonk big time.

I have always thought the Fanboys were more cycling savvy than the Haters, but that was always open to debate blah blah blah.

But the impending infusion of fresh hater minions of mostly of pick-up truck driving bubbas, small town mayors, MMA fighters, and converted fanboys who were not too bright to begin with - the debate of who is more cycling savvy, haters or fanboys, will soon no longer be disputable.

Fanboys Will Rule!
 
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Roland Rat said:
Velonation are reporting that Landis implicated the following:

Lim
Pepe
Duffy
Kristin
The Bus Driver.

Leecheimer has been brought into it too.

Levi was in the original article. I went to the sticky for the link, and saw this, which is timely considering the Holczer story that meshes with it nicely. This from Landis:

2005: I had learned at this point how to do most of the transfusion technicals and other things on my own so I hired Allen Lim as my assistant to help with details and logistics. He helped Levi Leipheimer and I prepare the transfusions for Levi and I and made sure they were kept at the proper temperature. We both did two seperate transfusions that Tour however my hematocrit was too low at the start so I did my first one a few days before the start so as to not start with a deficit.

I followed Chef Duffy on twitter the first half of 2009, so I know who that is. He handles logistics and things for Bruyneel. The one that concerns me, though, is Pepe, who in one article was referred to as a "trainer" in quotes. Contador's trainer, Pepe Marti, I tracked back to Discovery, but I don't know just how far back he went with Bruyneel. It would seem like quite a coincidence if he had more than one trainer named Pepe over the span of a few years.
 
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Levi was in the original article. I went to the sticky for the link, and saw this, which is timely considering the Holczer story that meshes with it nicely. This from Landis:



I followed Chef Duffy on twitter the first half of 2009, so I know who that is. He handles logistics and things for Bruyneel. The one that concerns me, though, is Pepe, who in one article was referred to as a "trainer" in quotes. Contador's trainer, Pepe Marti, I tracked back to Discovery, but I don't know just how far back he went with Bruyneel. It would seem like quite a coincidence if he had more than one trainer named Pepe over the span of a few years.

This is part of the dilemma for the UCI (aside from protecting their own asses) if all the dots are ever completely connected it will bring down every single cycling hero of the past decade at least.
 
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Hugh Januss said:
This is part of the dilemma for the UCI (aside from protecting their own asses) if all the dots are ever completely connected it will bring down every single cycling hero of the past decade at least.

AFAIK, there are no shortages in asterisks:D
 
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kurtinsc said:
Cycling as a whole take a big hit as well.

I beg to differ. I will wake up feeling über-happy just thinking about it every morning post-Lance, and the air will feel cooler, cleaner and better-smelling. My wife will look even prettier and my children will be more successful. My willy will grow three inches, making it a handsome four. What's there not to like? :D

On another note, the insights gleaned from this investigation will help immensely in anti-doping efforts everywhere, and even though cycling's image might appear to be damaged short-term (especially in the eyes of people that know little about the sport), cycling can only gain from it in the long run.
 
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pedaling squares said:
Bill Stapleton could lose the most on your list.

Mellow Johnnies? I doubt they'll be affected.
Two peas in the very same pod - one with ownership in the other + a host of other very profitable ventures. Not so much to lose.
 
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Hugh Januss said:
This is part of the dilemma for the UCI (aside from protecting their own asses) if all the dots are ever completely connected it will bring down every single cycling hero of the past decade at least.

indeed, I'm afraid that's right. if the UCI peers deep enough in order to clean this up, they might end up destroying the very thing they are trying to fix...

and I'm not sure if that would be a good result or a bad one. But I suspect they'll stop short of connecting the dots in the name of "moving forward"
 
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indeed, I'm afraid that's right. if the UCI peers deep enough in order to clean this up, they might end up destroying the very thing they are trying to fix...

and I'm not sure if that would be a good result or a bad one. But I suspect they'll stop short of connecting the dots in the name of "moving forward"

If they come to the conclusion that Armstrong doped from 1999-2005 (which I highly doubt) the TdF winners would be the following guys:

1999 - Zülle
2000 - Ullrich
2001 - Ullrich
2002 - Beloki
2003 - Ullrich
2004 - Klöden
2005 - Basso

Now that list actually makes me laugh since the situation doesn't get any better :) Would the Germans start reinvestigating the doings of Ullrich and Klöden? Ullrich escaped by paying a hefty sum of money but would he be dragged into the open again?
 
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RdBiker said:
If they come to the conclusion that Armstrong doped from 1999-2005 (which I highly doubt) the TdF winners would be the following guys:

1999 - Zülle
2000 - Ullrich
2001 - Ullrich
2002 - Beloki
2003 - Ullrich
2004 - Klöden
2005 - Basso

Now that list actually makes me laugh since the situation doesn't get any better :) Would the Germans start reinvestigating the doings of Ullrich and Klöden? Ullrich escaped by paying a hefty sum of money but would he be dragged into the open again?

and when those get investigated and dumped we're left with:
1999 - Escartin
2000 - Beloki
2001 - Beloki
2002 - Rumsas
2003 - Vino
2004 - Basso
2005 - Das Terminator

hmmm...maybe we should research who finished with Lanterne Rouge and convert it to the Maillot Jaune
 
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eleven said:
indeed, I'm afraid that's right. if the UCI peers deep enough in order to clean this up, they might end up destroying the very thing they are trying to fix...

and I'm not sure if that would be a good result or a bad one. But I suspect they'll stop short of connecting the dots in the name of "moving forward"

Anyone that hasn't figured this much out by now, doesn't really understand the implications of these sorts of investigations. A clean sport? I think it is a great idea. How to make it clean? Impossible. Controls can't keep up with the methods. And when they do years later, amongst the logical options are to de-certify all those results. What a joke.
 

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Alpe d'Huez said:
I think some people on that list should be less concerned about their reputation being sullied from Lance's problems, and more worried about their own skin. Lim, Weisel, Stapleton, Och (not listed). Add other medical and business staff not listed...

Now we are talking. The above had better worry!