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scribe said:I'd add USA cycling to the list and hand them a 10. Back to the dark ages we go
Roland Rat said:Velonation are reporting that Landis implicated the following:
Lim
Pepe
Duffy
Kristin
The Bus Driver.
Leecheimer has been brought into it too.
2005: I had learned at this point how to do most of the transfusion technicals and other things on my own so I hired Allen Lim as my assistant to help with details and logistics. He helped Levi Leipheimer and I prepare the transfusions for Levi and I and made sure they were kept at the proper temperature. We both did two seperate transfusions that Tour however my hematocrit was too low at the start so I did my first one a few days before the start so as to not start with a deficit.
theswordsman said:Levi was in the original article. I went to the sticky for the link, and saw this, which is timely considering the Holczer story that meshes with it nicely. This from Landis:
I followed Chef Duffy on twitter the first half of 2009, so I know who that is. He handles logistics and things for Bruyneel. The one that concerns me, though, is Pepe, who in one article was referred to as a "trainer" in quotes. Contador's trainer, Pepe Marti, I tracked back to Discovery, but I don't know just how far back he went with Bruyneel. It would seem like quite a coincidence if he had more than one trainer named Pepe over the span of a few years.
Hugh Januss said:This is part of the dilemma for the UCI (aside from protecting their own asses) if all the dots are ever completely connected it will bring down every single cycling hero of the past decade at least.
kurtinsc said:Cycling as a whole take a big hit as well.
Two peas in the very same pod - one with ownership in the other + a host of other very profitable ventures. Not so much to lose.pedaling squares said:Bill Stapleton could lose the most on your list.
Mellow Johnnies? I doubt they'll be affected.
Hugh Januss said:This is part of the dilemma for the UCI (aside from protecting their own asses) if all the dots are ever completely connected it will bring down every single cycling hero of the past decade at least.
eleven said:indeed, I'm afraid that's right. if the UCI peers deep enough in order to clean this up, they might end up destroying the very thing they are trying to fix...
and I'm not sure if that would be a good result or a bad one. But I suspect they'll stop short of connecting the dots in the name of "moving forward"
RdBiker said:If they come to the conclusion that Armstrong doped from 1999-2005 (which I highly doubt) the TdF winners would be the following guys:
1999 - Zülle
2000 - Ullrich
2001 - Ullrich
2002 - Beloki
2003 - Ullrich
2004 - Klöden
2005 - Basso
Now that list actually makes me laugh since the situation doesn't get any better Would the Germans start reinvestigating the doings of Ullrich and Klöden? Ullrich escaped by paying a hefty sum of money but would he be dragged into the open again?
eleven said:indeed, I'm afraid that's right. if the UCI peers deep enough in order to clean this up, they might end up destroying the very thing they are trying to fix...
and I'm not sure if that would be a good result or a bad one. But I suspect they'll stop short of connecting the dots in the name of "moving forward"
Alpe d'Huez said:I think some people on that list should be less concerned about their reputation being sullied from Lance's problems, and more worried about their own skin. Lim, Weisel, Stapleton, Och (not listed). Add other medical and business staff not listed...