Why (and How) Bert Should Appeal

[LaFlorecita]

Let's hope he will apply I am following these discussions for about a half year and now finally i made an account

Are you a fan?

 

[ContaMuse]

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Originally Posted by ContaMuse
Let's hope he will apply I am following these discussions for about a half year and now finally i made an account
Are you a fan?

Yes, Alberto is my favourite rider. Before him it was Ullrich. So you understand the last weeks were very hard

 

[sniper]

Dear ContaMuse,

Hi there,

I don't think Dopador will appeal.
The discourse from the Clentador-camp has changed from "great injustice" to "for whom will he ride when he returns?". That's one sign.
Also, I don't think Clenbutador will appeal because with an appeal he has no time to gain (even if he wins the appeal), only time to loose.
Ok, money and prestige to gain, but that is only if he wins the appeal, which is uncertain enough.
In any case, even if Dirty wins the appeal, he won't win back the months he's loosing now. And, mind you, an appeal would create quite a stirr within the peloton. Not many will approve and it won't win him any friends in the peloton, which I think is something Aldirty will seriously take into consideration.

But I could be wrong of course.

 

[ContaMuse]

Dear ContaMuse,

Hi there,

I don't think Dopador will appeal.
The discourse from the Clentador-camp has changed from "great injustice" to "for whom will he ride when he returns?". That's one sign.
Also, I don't think Clenbutador will appeal because with an appeal he has no time to gain (even if he wins the appeal), only time to loose.
Ok, money and prestige to gain, but that is only if he wins the appeal, which is uncertain enough.
In any case, even if Dirty wins the appeal, he won't win back the months he's loosing now. And, mind you, an appeal would create quite a stirr within the peloton. Not many will approve and it won't win him any friends in the peloton, which I think is something Aldirty will seriously take into consideration.

But I could be wrong of course.

Hi Sniper

It's possible but you never know.
In Belgium there was this guy, Hans Vandeweghe, very critical dopingreporter who told in the media that the casruling was bull****. He also said that Al berto could go for an appeal and asks for a delay of the punishment. Mostly the court approves this. I do not know if he will appeal but i hope so. Because alberto didn't get a fair trial. See Professor Blanpain. A prof in labour law.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Dear ContaMuse,

Hi there,

I don't think Dopador will appeal.
The discourse from the Clentador-camp has changed from "great injustice" to "for whom will he ride when he returns?". That's one sign.
Also, I don't think Clenbutador will appeal because with an appeal he has no time to gain (even if he wins the appeal), only time to loose.
Ok, money and prestige to gain, but that is only if he wins the appeal, which is uncertain enough.
In any case, even if Dirty wins the appeal, he won't win back the months he's loosing now. And, mind you, an appeal would create quite a stirr within the peloton. Not many will approve and it won't win him any friends in the peloton, which I think is something Aldirty will seriously take into consideration.

But I could be wrong of course.

Wow! What a performance! You managed to put 5 different nicknames for Alberto in one post, and all scream utter disrespect. His name is Alberto Contador Velasco. Call him Alberto, Contador, AC, Berto, Bertie, El Pistolero, the Great One, hell, even Bert is fine with me, but just don't go as low as those disrespectful names. I'm sure you don't want to come across as a total jerk. Or maybe you do..?

Also, I would've argued if this post were not by you. Arguing with you is pointless, I've learned by now.

So, back on topic, I hope Alberto is going to appeal. And I hope he does it on the last day. That'd be priceless.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Yes, Alberto is my favourite rider. Before him it was Ullrich. So you understand the last weeks were very hard

Great. There can never be enough fans. Also, I totally understand you had a hard time. I know someone that also is/was a fan of both, it's really hard for her too.

Also, don't argue with sniper. It's pointless.

I do agree with you, however. And what Vandeweghe said is just spot on. It's total bulls.hit.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Also, what both Vandeweghe and Blanpain mention, and what I've thought all the way along, is that he should take it to the Court of Human Rights. Might take time, might cost money, but the reward will be priceless.

 

[roundabout]

What did he say?

Screaming that it's bs isn't really an argument.

 

[roundabout]

So doping is a right now?

 

[LaFlorecita]

What did he say?

Screaming that it's bs isn't really an argument.

Lol the CAS ruling is bullsh it. Not the man who said it is bullsh it...

 

[LaFlorecita]

So doping is a right now?

Good one.

 

[The Hitch]

Dear ContaMuse,

Hi there,

I don't think Dopador will appeal.
The discourse from the Clentador-camp has changed from "great injustice" to "for whom will he ride when he returns?". That's one sign..

Wow, he has the power to control what other people talk about, and yet,can't win the Tour without doping.

He should have become a politician.

 

[roundabout]

Lol the CAS ruling is bullsh it. Not the man who said it is bullsh it...

I mean why is it bull****? Why do that journo and that professor think so?

 

[LaFlorecita]

I mean why is it bull****? Why do that journo and that professor think so?

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/article/detail.aspx?articleid=DMF20120207_175

http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/wielrennen/1.1214124

In terms of human rights it doesn't make sense at all, the fact that basically was said that it's most likely he didn't deliberately dope, but that he still got a suspension.

Vandeweghe says it as "brandhout maken van deze gang van zaken". I don't immediately know a correct translation of that, so I hope you're Dutch (or Flemish) and understand.

 

[sniper]

Blanpain might well have a point, he seems unbiassed.
So Aldoper might have a case.
But I still think that, in Aldirto's mind, the argument that he will make a lot of enemies within the peloton if he appeals will weigh very strong and might keep him from appealing.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Blanpain might well have a point, he seems unbiassed.
So Aldoper might have a case.
But I still think that, in Aldirto's mind, the argument that he will make a lot of enemies within the peloton if he appeals will weigh very strong and might keep him from appealing.

Ah, another two. It's fascinating to see everything you pull out of your hat of hatred. It seems like you try to make every combination possible. Hey, what about Doperto?

 

[sniper]

Ah, another two. It's fascinating to see everything you pull out of your hat of hatred. It seems like you try to make every combination possible. Hey, what about Doperto?

what if you'd finally start dealing with content instead of with form?

start replying to posts, instead of to posters.

Oh wait, I know what you're thinking right now:

not the brightest bulb are you?

 

[hrotha]

I don't want to live in a world where "Aldirto Clentador" is regarded as anything but brilliant.

 

[LaFlorecita]

what if you'd finally start dealing with content instead of with form?

start replying to posts, instead of to posters

I'm sorry, someone who can't even write a rider's name correctly, I can't take serious.

And besides, I already know arguing with you about Alberto is hopeless.

Oh wait, I know what you're thinking right now:

Actually that's not what I'm thinking.

not the brightest bulb are you?

That's the second time you insult me. But whatever, if you think I'm some sort of mentally challenged person you can believe that. Just know I do the same with people that can't write names properly.

 

[roundabout]

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/article/detail.aspx?articleid=DMF20120207_175

http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/wielrennen/1.1214124

In terms of human rights it doesn't make sense at all, the fact that basically was said that it's most likely he didn't deliberately dope, but that he still got a suspension.

Vandeweghe says it as "brandhout maken van deze gang van zaken". I don't immediately know a correct translation of that, so I hope you're Dutch (or Flemish) and understand.

Sounds like rubbish. The CAS is in the hands of the federations/governing bodies? Yeah, good luck proving that.

That intend needs to be proven when a rider who tested positive couldn't come up with a better explanation than a tall tale about cattle?

Good luck with that too.

And the other guy needs to look at his own country. I heard that having to submit whereabouts is also thought to be a violation of human rights over in belgium land.

 

[ContaMuse]

Great. There can never be enough fans. Also, I totally understand you had a hard time. I know someone that also is/was a fan of both, it's really hard for her too.

Also, don't argue with sniper. It's pointless.

I do agree with you, however. And what Vandeweghe said is just spot on. It's total bulls.hit.

Hehe albertofans must stick together
I allready read a lot of sniper and indeed I don't think he or she likes Alberto

 

[The Hitch]

Still 2 days left.

So now we can safely say hes not appealing?

 

[LaFlorecita]

So now we can safely say hes not appealing?

Hm... February is 29 days... I think he will come out with some sort of statement no matter what he decides.

 

[Caruut]

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/article/detail.aspx?articleid=DMF20120207_175

http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/wielrennen/1.1214124

In terms of human rights it doesn't make sense at all, the fact that basically was said that it's most likely he didn't deliberately dope, but that he still got a suspension.

Vandeweghe says it as "brandhout maken van deze gang van zaken". I don't immediately know a correct translation of that, so I hope you're Dutch (or Flemish) and understand.

Surely they said "he probably didn't dope" because to suggest that he did could be potentially libellous and was, moreover, not what they were charged with investigating. An allegation that he had doped might be easier to prove to be "without sufficient grounds" and therefore void the entire ruling based on a claim that didn't need to be made. By saying "probably didn't dope" they protect themselves from getting lawyered.

Not sure why you think Aldirto Clentador Velasdope is the victim of a breach of his human rights - he knew when he raced and when he was tested that strict liability applied to clen. Having failed to find a reasonable explanation, he got banned. If he'd just held his hands up and said "Sorry, no idea how that got there, I'll take the ban", he could be back on his bike in a few months, and a fair bit richer. But he decided the rules didn't apply to him, tried to appeal and failed.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Surely they said "he probably didn't dope" because to suggest that he did could be potentially libellous and was, moreover, not what they were charged with investigating. An allegation that he had doped might be easier to prove to be "without sufficient grounds" and therefore void the entire ruling based on a claim that didn't need to be made. By saying "probably didn't dope" they protect themselves from getting lawyered.

Not sure why you think Alberto Contador Velasco is the victim of a breach of his human rights - he knew when he raced and when he was tested that strict liability applied to clen. Having failed to find a reasonable explanation, he got banned. If he'd just held his hands up and said "Sorry, no idea how that got there, I'll take the ban", he could be back on his bike in a few months, and a fair bit richer. But he decided the rules didn't apply to him, tried to appeal and failed.

1) Do you know anything about human rights?
2) If Alberto had just taken the ban that would be very suspicious.
3) There apparently are a number of rules and precedents which could have gotten him off.

He now has gotten a 2 year ban. Of course it's easy to say that he just should have put his hands up from the start, but hello, it's his reputation and two years of his career he would be just throwing away. After two years of not racing, he could've never returned succesfully. It's even doubtful if he will succeed now.