Why LA is not a doper (seriously)

[pmcg76]

An interview with Rich Carlson in early 1996.

RCo you think you could win the Tour one day?

LA: No, probably not. Im happy with my progress;it was good feeling to finish the Tour(35th) This year(1995), I was looking at a 3 week schedule and taking it one week at a time. Thats the way I think, a "survivor" has to break the race down to make it to the finish, but I dont think thats how a champion looks at the race.

Lance went from this personal opinion, a survivor struggling to finishing to winning the next 7 Tour he competed in.

 

[TheArbiter]

I missed this, which of Roches team-mates said that and when.

It's all in his wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Roche

 

[TheArbiter]

An interview with Rich Carlson in early 1996.

RCo you think you could win the Tour one day?

LA: No, probably not. Im happy with my progress;it was good feeling to finish the Tour(35th) This year(1995), I was looking at a 3 week schedule and taking it one week at a time. Thats the way I think, a "survivor" has to break the race down to make it to the finish, but I dont think thats how a champion looks at the race.

Lance went from this personal opinion, a survivor struggling to finishing to winning the next 7 Tour he competed in.

He wasn't even going for GC at the time - he was a stage racer - so its pretty irrelevent.

 

[TheArbiter]

Do you have a source about the exact results, apart the UCI telling it was "minimal"?
Was curious to see this.

I don't have a link but its very well known. That's why they said it was not a positive - it wasn't in the positive range.

 

[pmcg76]

It's all in his wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Roche

There is nothing on there that say a team-mate saw him take drugs as I suspected unless you are referring to Paul Kimmage and he never accused Roche of anything. However that article does back up my argument that the rider with the alias could easliy have been Remo Rossi, there is even a Rossi on the list or alternate names. I will restate that Roche did probably dope but if you are gonna throw crap, check the facts first.

 

[scribe]

"Just so you know, Lance doped"
Floyd Landis

'If you don't ease up and let me win, I am gonna tell them I saw you doping" Alberto Contador

 

[pmcg76]

He wasn't even going for GC at the time - he was a stage racer - so its pretty irrelevent.

Most riders know after a few major Tours whether they have the capabilities to be a Tour contender or not. Lance clearly didnt think he could be a contender. Nobody and I mean nobody at that time thought he could contend for a Tour, he was always described as a potential classics king.

To say he wasnt aiming for the Tour, why wasnt he, its the only race that matters after all, Contador, LeMond, Indurain, Hinault, Merckx, Fignon, Delgado Roche, Ullrich, Thevenet, Van Impe had all shown some Tour potential at the same age. The only riders who developed late were Bjarne Riis, Floyd Landis, Michael Rasmussen nice list there. Nicloas Roche finished 23rd this year, does anyone think he could be a future Tour winner, I dont think so.

 

[Anonymous]

'If you don't ease up and let me win, I am gonna tell them I saw you doping" Alberto Contador

"Next year when you get busted, I want you to remember saying that to me Alberto"
Lance Armstrong

 

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"Lance hid my blood bags again. Can you bring me the extras, brother?" Contador to Contador

 

[Eva Maria]

Tenous? A court found Roche has taken EPO. That's more evidence than Lance.

The evidence against Lance is far more then Roche, it just hasn't been presented in front of a judge.

 

[Eva Maria]

Roche's team mate said he saw him dope - nobody has ever said that about Armstrong.

In addition to Floyd saying that Lance doped, Emma O'reilly said she delivered PED's to Lance, Mike Anderson said he found PED's in his apartment, French Television filmed his staff dumping syringes and PED's.....and of course he tested positive, something Roche never did.

 

[Anonymous]

"Lance hid my blood bags again. Can you bring me the extras, brother?" Contador to Contador

"Hey Floyd, come in to the bathroom, me and Johan have something we want to show you"
Lance Armstrong

 

[TheArbiter]

Where are these nonsense quotes coming from? I don't think it's fair play to throw around false quotes. That is trolling.

 

[Eva Maria]

Where are these nonsense quotes coming from? I don't think it's fair play to throw around false quotes. That is trolling.

The quote about Floyd saying Armstrong doped comes from here

http://www.orangecoastmagazine.com/article.aspx?id=156

 

[TheArbiter]

The quote about Floyd saying Armstrong doped comes from here

http://www.orangecoastmagazine.com/article.aspx?id=156

Very vague isn't it. I don't think he would tell Floyd Landis about doping to be honest. That's not how it works.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Very vague isn't it. I don't think he would tell Floyd Landis about doping to be honest. That's not how it works.

"Just so you know, Lance doped" ...there is nothin vague in that.

Also I checked the Wiki you posted on Roche and there is nothing there about a teammate saying he doped?

 

[Eva Maria]

Very vague isn't it. I don't think he would tell Floyd Landis about doping to be honest. That's not how it works.

Tell us how it works? Floyd told JV that the Hog poured his rest day blood bags down the toilet when the found out he signed with Phonak. I know another former teammate who was shown Armstrong's "Gear" at the 1998 Vuelta. When Floyd said things like they never talked about doping I had to laugh as it was so ridiculous.

 

[TheArbiter]

"Just so you know, Lance doped" ...there is nothin vague in that.

Also I checked the Wiki you posted on Roche and there is nothing there about a teammate saying he doped?

His fellow rider wrote a book on the use of EPO by Roche and his team.

The Floyd quote is vague because he doesn't say anything concrete, like he told me he doped, or, I saw him dope. It sounds like a joke. Why on earth would you tell a journalist that? No wonder nobody cites this.

 

[Anonymous]

Very vague isn't it. I don't think he would tell Floyd Landis about doping to be honest. That's not how it works.

How do you know how it works?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

His fellow rider wrote a book on the use of EPO by Roche and his team.

The Floyd quote is vague because he doesn't say anything concrete, like he told me he doped, or, I saw him dope. It sounds like a joke. Why on earth would you tell a journalist that? No wonder nobody cites this.

If you read the full article it comes in you would realize that Floyd and Martin had become very friendly.

I think the fellow rider you are thinking of is Paul Kimmage he never mentions anything like that in his book. Nor does it say it in the Wiki piece you quote you provided.
If it is another rider than I would be interested in knowing who that is.

 

[Anonymous]

His fellow rider wrote a book on the use of EPO by Roche and his team.

The Floyd quote is vague because he doesn't say anything concrete, like he told me he doped, or, I saw him dope. It sounds like a joke. Why on earth would you tell a journalist that? No wonder nobody cites this.

You cannot write a sentence such as that and be expected to be taken seriously in terms of reading comprehension or honesty. I think you know about doping, but it ain't the performance enhancing variety. Seriously, you are going to stick by your "vague" comment? Really?

 

[Eva Maria]

His fellow rider wrote a book on the use of EPO by Roche and his team.
.

What is the name of this book? I have never heard of it.

 

[elapid]

I really don't think people should criticise Armstrong to the extent that they do. All his main rivals were just as doped, if not more so, than he was, so the guy is still a legend either way. Why can't we all just recognize that?

Lance is a legendary a-s-s. He won seven TdFs and came 3rd as a 37 yo - wonderful achievements, but this doesn't make him a legend. As many have said, the doping itself is not the only issue. All of his main rivals doped as well, but they were eventually exposed through Operation Puerto and he has not been. This makes his achievements even more fraudulent. He is not a legend in many of our eyes because he does not behave like a champion. He supports the Omerta by chasing down Simeoni and admonishing Bassons, his control of the media is ridiculous, his twittering and public criticism of team mates (or any other cyclist) is immature, his conspiracy theories (the French are out to get me) are bizarre, and his PR efforts (I'm the most tested athlete in the world, etc) are laughable. So no, he is not a legend.

 

[Anonymous]

Sorry, the actual quote is: "Just so you know Marty, Lance doped."

http://www.orangecoastmagazine.com/article.aspx?id=156

3rd paragraph down.

 

[elapid]

Very vague isn't it. I don't think he would tell Floyd Landis about doping to be honest. That's not how it works.

How about Lance and Bruyneel dumping Floyd's blood down the toilet when he told them he accepted a contract from Phonak? This was detailed in a subpoened text message between Jonathon Vaughters and Frankie Andreau.

How about Lance getting US Postal/Discovery exclusive access to Dr. Ferrari?

Of course Landis knew what was going on, just like Lance knew what was going on.