Why not have the TTT near the end of the tour?

[mr. tibbs]

Let's move the TTT back further than the third week. Let's make it a post-Tour event, like the criterium circuit. That way, it'll finally have the impact on the Tour results that it deserves.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

So wait a minute before a laugh my *** off. Your saying it matters less if you have a full team in the mountains, but more if the mountain domestiques are there, what about the Time Trial domestiques for a final TT. What is the difference? Thats right, no difference!

are you serioulsy that stupid?

if you don't think numbers are important in a TTT you are seriously deluded.

 

[FlyingPortagee]

Sorry dude, but a major advantage of having good climbers on your team is to pace you up to the front!!

Not saying that you are wrong here, but it still doesn't give a good reason why we sholdn't have a TTT at the end of the tour. Team support is important no matter where you are in a race. I really can't think of a reason why it would make a difference where its placed and it very might well make the TDF worth paying attention to again.

 

[M Sport]

Let's move the TTT back further than the third week. Let's make it a post-Tour event, like the criterium circuit. That way, it'll finally have the impact on the Tour results that it deserves.

Bang on, no argument from me.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Sorry dude, but a major advantage of having good climbers on your team is to pace you up to the front!!

dude i said provide support and isolate others.
Support obviously includes pacing.
you seriously can't read pal.

now rather then nitpick on that, how about an actual reply to my point, which I assume you are unable to provide due to ignorance.

you simpy don't understand that a TTT in the final week would skew results to one teams favor way too much. It would not be interesting, but rather unfair. A TTT in the opening week at least allows team to have a some what fair playing ground.

I expect a "it's the same on the mountains" blah blah reply, but if you are unable to see the difference that is your issue.

 

[FlyingPortagee]

are you serioulsy that stupid?

if you don't think numbers are important in a TTT you are seriously deluded.

Maybe you should learn how to spell SERIOUSLY before you call someone stupid? Are you Stupid?

 

[FlyingPortagee]

dude i said provide support and isolate others.
Support obviously includes pacing.
you seriously can't read pal.

now rather then niotpick on that, how about an actual reply to my point, which I assume you are unable to provide due to ignorance.

you simpy don't understand that a TTT in the final week would skew results to one teams favor way too much. It would not be interesting, but rather unfair. A TTT in the opening week at least allows team to have a some what fair playing ground.

I expect a "it's the same on the mountains" blah blah reply, but if you are unable to see the difference that is your issue.

WTF is Noitpick?? is this some strange alien language?

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Maybe you should learn how to spell SERIOUSLY before you call someone stupid? Are you Stupid?

oh no I did a typo, I forgot this was a grammar forum.

Second reply from you which has been an argument with no relevance.

Please if you are going to argue, at least argue the points made, not grammar and vocab.

this is cyclingnews forum you know

edit: 3rd post with no relevance. Oh lawd I did a typo two posts in a row, how dare I grow up.

 

[FlyingPortagee]

oh no I did a type, I forgot this was a grammar forum.

Second reply from you which has been an argument with no relevance.

Please if you are going to argue, at least argue the points made, not grammar and vocab.

LOL, your argument is calling me stupid

 

[PCutter]

Why would it be terriblel and unfair? Because you said so?

Gee, glass houses.

Shack fan if ever I've seen one

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

LOL, your argument is calling me stupid

actually I explained in detail why IMO TTT in a 3rd week would be bad, and my thoughts on the comparison between mountain domestiques and such.

your complete ignorance allowed me to call you delusional, but my post was still on topic. Unlike your fantastic contributions

anyway out of repsect to the moderators and other posters, I will only reply to a relevant post in this thread after this.

 

[FlyingPortagee]

actually I explained in detail why IMO TTT in a 3rd week would be bad, and my thoughts on the comparison between mountain domestiques and such.

your complete ignorance allowed me to call you delusional, but my post was still on topic. Unlike your fantastic contributions

anyway out of repsect to the moderators and other posters, I will only reply to a relevant post in this thread after this.

Actually I think I will report you to the moderators.

 

[the vagabond]

Flying Portagee would make an excellent defense lawyer in America for cases such as the O.J. Simpson or Casey Anthony trials. You continually attack all relevant evidence against your case with "but, but, but" and then by being so aggressive and obnoxious, you invite more and more evidence against you until finally somebody comes up with something that is actually slightly refutable and then you use this as evidence that the entire case against you is invalid.

Anybody who thinks a TTT at the end of the Tour makes sense is a blithering idiot who either doesn't understand or doesn't appreciate bike racing.

 

[dbrmuz]

Best thread yet!

 

[FlyingPortagee]

Flying Portagee would make an excellent defense lawyer in America for cases such as the O.J. Simpson or Casey Anthony trials. You continually attack all relevant evidence against your case with "but, but, but" and then by being so aggressive and obnoxious, you invite more and more evidence against you until finally somebody comes up with something that is actually slightly refutable and then you use this as evidence that the entire case against you is invalid.

Anybody who thinks a TTT at the end of the Tour makes sense is a blithering idiot who either doesn't understand or doesn't appreciate bike racing.

LOL, way to go in comparing the TDF to 2 Murder cases! and your calling me aggressive and obnoxious!

 

[FlyingPortagee]

"Absolutely unreal that I start a thread on moving the TTT to the end of the tour and I have members of this forum equating it to defending murder!!

 

[Barrus]

Lets count the ways in which this is a stupid idea:

1 teams might consist of less than 5 riders in the final week of the tour, this is not a totally imaginary scenario, which would mean that these teams need to withdraw from the tour altogether, or at least give up any ambition for the GC

2 It creates an unfair situation in which certain teams have a significant advantage over other teams solely based on the amount of riders they still have, an advantage that is not present in this extent in a regular stage.

3 Due to these and other factors, including recovery, it would have a significantly greater impact on the final GC, something which in a contest for a title for an individual is not advisable

Anyone who can add more ways, because I am sure there are other ways in which it is stupid as well

 

[FlyingPortagee]

Lets count the ways in which this is a stupid idea:

1 teams might consist of less than 5 riders in the final week of the tour, this is not a totally imaginary scenario, which would mean that these teams need to withdraw from the tour altogether, or at least give up any ambition for the GC

2 It creates an unfair situation in which certain teams have a significant advantage over other teams solely based on the amount of riders they still have, an advantage that is not present in this extent in a regular stage.

3 Due to these and other factors, including recovery, it would have a significantly greater impact on the final GC, something which in a contest for a title for an individual is not advisable

Anyone who can add more ways, because I am sure there are other ways in which it is stupid as well

If you can point out the differences about having "an advantage that is not present in this extent in a regular state." I might agree with you. What exactly is the difference?

 

[Barrus]

If you can point out the differences about having "an advantage that is not present in this extent in a regular state." I might agree with you. What exactly is the difference?

This has been discussed several times throughout the thread, if you have not yet understood this, you either know nothing of bike racing or you are being deliberately obtuse

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Flying Portagee, would you please calm down a little? You have asked a question and you have received answers. Please stop responding so aggressively.

Susan

PS: Everybody else stay calm, too.

 

[Martin318is]

I am closing this thread because -a shas been repeatedly pointed out - the question has been asked and the answer given.

Anything more than this is trolling