Why Tenerife?

[Benotti69]

Fuentes Clinic was in Madrid, with the blood bags, was it not?

Yeah but he liked to work from home too . I guess he had a holiday apartment in Catalunya for the barca boys and the culture.

 

[the sceptic]

Why would sky train at altitude if Brailsford doesnt even know how it affects the body?

 

[EnacheV]

Why would sky train at altitude if Brailsford doesnt even know how it affects the body?

He copy the other teams maybe?

Do you have some more stupid questions?

 

[the sceptic]

He copy the other teams maybe?

Do you have some more stupid questions?

please explain why it is a stupid question, otherwise it looks like you are trolling as usual.

 

[EnacheV]

please explain why it is a stupid question, otherwise it looks like you are trolling as usual.

Brailsford doesn't know it affects some medical numbers. As nobody knows as there are no studies.

But you ofc knew that

And your question is stupid because everybody does it because has good results, you know this and you only put that question as a new way of trolling in this thread.

Like im asking : Why you train if you don't know how it affects your body? when the problem at hand is "will training have a certain influence on some medical numbers, while there are no studies about it?"

Any extra "smart" legitimate questions?

 

[TailWindHome]

please explain why it is a stupid question, otherwise it looks like you are trolling as usual.

Training at altitude isn't the issue as I understand it.

 

[HSNHSN]

Brailsford doesn't know it affects some medical numbers. As nobody knows as there are no studies.

But you ofc knew that

And your question is stupid because everybody does it because has good results, you know this and you only put that question as a new way of trolling in this thread.

Like im asking : Why you train if you don't know how it affects your body? when the problem at hand is "will training have a certain influence on some medical numbers, while there are no studies about it?"

Any extra "smart" legitimate questions?

Well, it has been established before in this thread it doesn't have good results on everybody. The number of 60% has actually been mentioned, which isn't quite that high. As a matter of fact, it's low enough to not justify blindly training at altitude at all.

When it comes to Brailfords' attitude to altitude training, that's a different matter. Or at least, it is brought to us as if it is: it is about not knowing what happens when returning to altitude, when you're born there and have been at sea level for good part of a year.

 

[Justinr]

In the context of this extremely vaguely defined ZTP, not going to tenerife would be as obvious as not hiring Leinders.

People on here really are losing it ... how the hell do you connect those two? You may as well say don't train in France because thats where Festina were based.

 

[sniper]

People on here really are losing it ... how the hell do you connect those two? You may as well say don't train in France because thats where Festina were based.

how the hell do you compare france to tenerife?

anyway. in his book walsh did as much apologizing for leinders as for tenerife. he considered them equally dodgy at the start of his internship.

my point is very simple, i.e. not very complex: if you have a ZTP that says "we don't hire docs from inside cycling because that looks bad and might lead to doping", then it's equally plausible to say "we don't send our riders to tenerife because that looks bad and might lead to doping".

by the way, i've made the same point many times wrt garmin and girona. i.e. if you spend so much effort on looking clean, then why be based in a place with such a PED-smell to it? Just seems rather inconsistent (not to mention not very clever from a PR point of view). Of course it's no evidence of doping though. Merely inconsistent.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

my point is very simple, i.e. not very complex: if you have a ZTP that says "we don't hire docs from inside cycling because that looks bad and might lead to doping", then it's equally plausible to say "we don't send our riders to tenerife because that looks bad and might lead to doping".

Thanks for clarifying your definition of simple. But your analogy is a little broad: trying to win races looks bad and might lead to doping.

 

[TailWindHome]

Where would a clean team base itself?

 

[sniper]

Where would a clean team base itself?

where would a clean cycling team find non-dodgy doctors?

for the n-th time:
avoiding tenerife is as easy -- or as difficult -- as finding non-dodgy docs.
if you insist on employing non-dodgy docs, you might just as well insist on avoiding tenerife.
one makes as much -- or as little -- sense as the other.

 

[sniper]

Thanks for clarifying your definition of simple. But your analogy is a little broad: trying to win races looks bad and might lead to doping.

exactly.
so why did sky insist on hiring docs outside of cycling? (honest question)

 

[Ventoux Boar]

exactly.
so why did sky insist on hiring docs outside of cycling? (honest question)

You have a point. If you cared about your reputation in The Clinic, you'd never train on Tenerife. Agreed.

 

[sniper]

You have a point. If you cared about your reputation in The Clinic, you'd never train on Tenerife.

or hire docs whose reputation is dodgy among Clinicians only.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

or hire docs whose reputation is dodgy among Clinicians only.

So. The most sophisticated doping program in the sport is secreted in an inaccessible holiday resort, famous for its historical links to dopers. To really keep things hush-hush, they hire a doctor, famous across the sport as a doping magician, and tuck the news out of sight on their website.

Have I understood, and is this all your own work or did somebody help you with it?

 

[Benotti69]

So. The most sophisticated doping program in the sport is secreted in an inaccessible holiday resort, famous for its historical links to dopers. To really keep things hush-hush, they hire a doctor, famous across the sport as a doping magician, and tuck the news out of sight on their website.

Have I understood, and is this all your own work or did somebody help you with it?

The formerly most sophisticated doping program. Contador has upped the ante!

 

[sniper]

So. The most sophisticated doping program in the sport is secreted in an inaccessible holiday resort, famous for its historical links to dopers. To really keep things hush-hush, they hire a doctor, famous across the sport as a doping magician, and tuck the news out of sight on their website.

Have I understood, and is this all your own work or did somebody help you with it?

what part of bribing the uci/aso would you call sophisticated?

 

[Ventoux Boar]

what part of bribing the uci/aso would you call sophisticated?

No trouble at all.

So. The most sophisticated doping program in the sport is secreted in an inaccessible holiday resort, famous for its historical links to dopers. To really keep things hush-hush, they hire a doctor, famous across the sport as a doping magician, and tuck the news out of sight on their website.

Belt and suspenders insurance was sought through an honest Irish broker, who was widely suspected of corrupt practices, and head of the governing body. Fortunately Sky have nothing to fear from the untimely defrocking of the notoriously malevolent vindictive apparatchik. Nothing to do with the Brits.

 

[del1962]

or hire docs whose reputation is dodgy among Clinicians only.

Max Testa?

 

[42x16ss]

Cameron Wurf describes his experience at Tenerife:

http://cameronwurf.blogspot.se/2014_04_01_archive.html

The grammar is a bit all over the place (he usually uses his BlackBerry) but he makes it sound like a great place to be training. Too bad the remote location would make it perfect for other things too...

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

To the OP:
"Why Tenerife?"
I would say, because it´s warm? How about that?

 

[ToreBear]

Cameron Wurf describes his experience at Tenerife:

http://cameronwurf.blogspot.se/2014_04_01_archive.html

The grammar is a bit all over the place (he usually uses his BlackBerry) but he makes it sound like a great place to be training. Too bad the remote location would make it perfect for other things too...

Remote? You're from Perth in Australia 3300 km from the nearest wada lab calling Tenerife, 1400km from the wada lab in Lisbon and 1800 km from the wada lab in Madrid remote?

So I guess Perth is the dopers paradise then?

 

[42x16ss]

Don't laugh, but there are rumours around the Masters racing and ridiculously strong age group tri scenes here.

Also Jack Bobridge spends his summers here, as does Nicole Cooke. Then there's the oddly remarkable rate that champion trackies are turning up - Meyer, Meyer, Durbridge, Freiburg, Linfield, Sunderland along with Hoskins, Tomic, King, Allen amongst the girls....

 

[ToreBear]

Don't laugh, but there are rumours around the Masters racing and ridiculously strong age group tri scenes here

The question is more, are there any professional cyclists training there?

Old geezers experimenting with viagra and triathletes doping, isn't really that exciting to me.