Why Tenerife?

[the sceptic]

How many Ferrari powered cyclists do we see here:
http://www.cyclingarchives.com/ritfiche.php?ritid=153285

Teide, where champions are born.

Hmm. Looks to be 38.

39 [GBR] Chris Froome GBR at

But in all seriousness. 2010 is the new era is it not? Even so, Teide appears to have been a doping safe haven then. Uncomfortably close to 2012 if you ask me.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Hmm. Looks to be 38.



But in all seriousness. 2010 is the new era is it not? Even so, Teide appears to have been a doping safe haven then. Uncomfortably close to 2012 if you ask me.

Now I may be wrong but I seem to recall the hogs dots failing to connect on this.
Ferrari told Bertagnolii not to go to Tenerife, Oct/Nov 2010.
He wasn't going near the place as it was not safe and being watched by the police.
According to Leonardo's affidavit, that is.

 

[thehog]

Now I may be wrong but I seem to recall the hogs dots failing to connect on this.
Ferrari told Bertagnolii not to go to Tenerife, Oct/Nov 2010.
He wasn't going near the place as it was not safe and being watched by the police.
According to Leonardo's affidavit, that is.

Yes, I was making light of the situation that fans of Sky used the alleged words of Ferrari to show they are clean...

"We are clean because Ferrari said so..." LOL!

Oxymoron would be a good place to start...

 

[Mellow Velo]

Yes, I was making light of the situation that fans of Sky used the alleged words of Ferrari to show they are clean...

"We are clean because Ferrari said so..." LOL!

Oxymoron would be a good place to start...

I think of you as a little ray of sunshine, always brightening up the daily gloom, here.

Anyhow, it does seem that Ferrari had no place to hide from latish 2010 through the first half of 2011, thanks to Jeff and co.

 

[Benotti69]

CIRC report

'Riders deliberately went to altitude not for training benefits but to explain any jump in values.'

No way

Talk about stating the effing obvious.

 

[Zerlozion]

Why Tenerife ?

Good weather for winter training and several routes to altitude via Mount Teide.

 

[pastronef]

banning altitude training is not possible, so I guess the circus will keep going up and down the mountains. I'm ok with that, you can't forbid travelling where they want.

 

[Benotti69]

banning altitude training is not possible, so I guess the circus will keep going up and down the mountains. I'm ok with that, you can't forbid travelling where they want.

No problem with Tenerife, but the lack of OOC testing is not on.

 

[D-Queued]

Re:

CIRC report

'Riders deliberately went to altitude not for training benefits but to explain any jump in values.'

No way

Talk about stating the effing obvious.

Yes.

But good to have it confirmed. Finally.

That and altitude tents.

We have been proven right to be cynical. On both counts.

Time to update the Glossary. Training in Tenerife = permitted doping while on vacation.

USPS/Disco, Sky, Astana, Katusha, Movistar, Lotto, Belkin, Tinkoff Saxo, etc. Busted.

You have to love the multiple trips by these various teams, timed perfectly for pre-race doping cycles, ahead of the Tour, the Giro, the Classics...

"...Astana responded and confirmed that they had organised three camps in Tenerife during the season. Dates were not provided but the camps were listed as the "Ardennes Camp", "Giro Camp" and "Tour Camp." No tests were carried out by the UCI at any point. ...

...Biological passport expert Michael Ashenden previously raised the issue over gaps in testing data"

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lack-of ... -spotlight

Want to know when the best time to dope is ahead of a big event? Check the pro tour Tenerife travel schedules.

Dave.

 

[pastronef]

Re: Re:

CIRC report

'Riders deliberately went to altitude not for training benefits but to explain any jump in values.'

No way

Talk about stating the effing obvious.

Yes.

But good to have it confirmed. Finally.

That and altitude tents.

We have been proven right to be cynical. On both counts.

Time to update the Glossary. Training in Tenerife = permitted doping while on vacation.

USPS/Disco, Sky, Astana, Katusha, Movistar, Lotto, Belkin, Tinkoff Saxo, etc. Busted.

You have to love the multiple trips by these various teams, timed perfectly for pre-race doping cycles, ahead of the Tour, the Giro, the Classics...

"...Astana responded and confirmed that they had organised three camps in Tenerife during the season. Dates were not provided but the camps were listed as the "Ardennes Camp", "Giro Camp" and "Tour Camp." No tests were carried out by the UCI at any point. ...

...Biological passport expert Michael Ashenden previously raised the issue over gaps in testing data"

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lack-of ... -spotlight

Want to know when the best time to dope is ahead of a big event? Check the pro tour Tenerife travel schedules.

Dave.

Pinot used Gran Canaria. but yes, same arcipelago

 

[Archibald]

Re: Re:

Pinot used Gran Canaria. but yes, same arcipelago

He's on strava, so it's kosher - all training data accounted for and transparent

 

[mrhender]

Apparently Tiede is getting too crowded

Michael Valgren ‏@MichaelValgren 7 min.
Mt. Etna Will see you again soon. Trainingcamp booked. @olegtinkov no room on the famous Teide #alternative #trainhardRaceEasy @tinkoff_saxo

 

[pastronef]

Contador (with DeJongh) is on the island right now, Krujswjik and other LottoNL guys too

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

USPS/Disco, Sky, Astana, Katusha, Movistar, Lotto, Belkin, Tinkoff Saxo, etc. Busted.

You have to love the multiple trips by these various teams, timed perfectly for pre-race doping cycles, ahead of the Tour, the Giro, the Classics...

"...Astana responded and confirmed that they had organised three camps in Tenerife during the season. Dates were not provided but the camps were listed as the "Ardennes Camp", "Giro Camp" and "Tour Camp." No tests were carried out by the UCI at any point. ...

...Biological passport expert Michael Ashenden previously raised the issue over gaps in testing data"

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lack-of-anti-doping-testing-in-tenerife-under-spotlight

Want to know when the best time to dope is ahead of a big event? Check the pro tour Tenerife travel schedules.

Dave.

Pinot used Gran Canaria. but yes, same arcipelago

Garmin used St Moritz in 2007 when they debuted at the Tour. The myacera tour of Saunier Duval where most of the myacera in the metabolites of the peloton was butter on head p!ss metabolites.

 

[pastronef]

Re: Re:

USPS/Disco, Sky, Astana, Katusha, Movistar, Lotto, Belkin, Tinkoff Saxo, etc. Busted.

You have to love the multiple trips by these various teams, timed perfectly for pre-race doping cycles, ahead of the Tour, the Giro, the Classics...

"...Astana responded and confirmed that they had organised three camps in Tenerife during the season. Dates were not provided but the camps were listed as the "Ardennes Camp", "Giro Camp" and "Tour Camp." No tests were carried out by the UCI at any point. ...

...Biological passport expert Michael Ashenden previously raised the issue over gaps in testing data"

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lack-of-anti-doping-testing-in-tenerife-under-spotlight

Want to know when the best time to dope is ahead of a big event? Check the pro tour Tenerife travel schedules.

Dave.

Pinot used Gran Canaria. but yes, same arcipelago

Garmin used St Moritz in 2007 when they debuted at the Tour. The myacera tour of Saunier Duval where most of the myacera was butter on head.[/quote]

it was 2008

 

[movingtarget]

The Island of Doctor Moreau. Only god knows what is going on there.

 

[doperhopper]

Re:

Now I may be wrong but I seem to recall the hogs dots failing to connect on this.
Ferrari told Bertagnolii not to go to Tenerife, Oct/Nov 2010.
He wasn't going near the place as it was not safe and being watched by the police.
According to Leonardo's affidavit, that is.

Yes, I was making light of the situation that fans of Sky used the alleged words of Ferrari to show they are clean...

"We are clean because Ferrari said so..." LOL!

Oxymoron would be a good place to start...

this should go straight to TOP10 in the "best excuses" thread, somewhere at the level of "phantom twin", "only intended to dope", or "these pills are for mother-in-law"

 

[SeriousSam]

Quintana will return to Colombia after the Tour de Romandie for a lengthy spell of altitude training, before travelling to Europe in time for the Route du Sud.

Why not Tenerife? Mt Teide must not be remote enough for the dosages at play here

 

[pastronef]

https://www.twitter.com/WoutPoels/status/599879472108720128
https://www.twitter.com/GeraintThomas86/status/599601518745100288
https://www.twitter.com/nicholasroche/status/599927433383550976

a few Sky guys fly to Tenerife today, should be the Tour team

Poels, Thomas, Roche.
Froome should be there too
Knees and Henao still in Cali

 

[Taxus4a]

And why not? Spain is a cheep place, Teide is hight and it has flat in the hight, long climbs, good roads, hotels, a very good weather all the year,,, it is a quite place as well.

Wich place near Europe is better to train in altitude?

 

[SeriousSam]

I hope the place is crawling with the UCI's anti-doping operatives, with sleeper agents in every hotel and pharmacy. It would be embarrassing if the Dawg had to once again lament their absence via Twitter

 

[King Boonen]

Re:

And why not? Spain is a cheep place, Teide is hight and it has flat in the hight, long climbs, good roads, hotels, a very good weather all the year,,, it is a quite place as well.

Wich place near Europe is better to train in altitude?

The legitimate reasons for Tenerife training have been covered ad nauseum in this thread fella and it's a perfectly legitimate place it train. In fact, it's possibly one of the best places in the world to train. It is also an extremely easy place for OOC testing to take place. My road club go to Mallorca, so there's another option, but it's no where near as good an option as Tenerife.

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

And why not? Spain is a cheep place, Teide is hight and it has flat in the hight, long climbs, good roads, hotels, a very good weather all the year,,, it is a quite place as well.

Wich place near Europe is better to train in altitude?

The legitimate reasons for Tenerife training have been covered ad nauseum in this thread fella and it's a perfectly legitimate place it train. In fact, it's possibly one of the best places in the world to train. It is also an extremely easy place for OOC testing to take place. My road club go to Mallorca, so there's another option, but it's no where near as good an option as Tenerife.

Mallorca is more expensive, is at the sea level, and it is not so quite and with so good weather, authough is good. Tenerife is beter than Etna, better than Sierra Nevada and clearly better than Navacerrada... just Hawai is similar, that is far away.

 

[Benotti69]

It has been proven that a few weeks at altitude does nothing for performance. It is a smokescreen for blood doping.

 

[robertmooreheadlane]

Mallorca is more expensive, is at the sea level, and it is not so quite and with so good weather, authough is good. Tenerife is beter than Etna, better than Sierra Nevada and clearly better than Navacerrada... just Hawai is similar, that is far away.

And hawaii is full of americans that would shoot cyclists or just run them over !!!