Why Tenerife?

[thehog]

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Tenerife - not just for the big four GC guys any more: http://cyclingtips.com/2016/02/a-day-with-cannondale-pro-cycling-at-their-tenerife-training-camp/

Must say the pics look great and tempted me to go cycling there. Since it's such a massive package tourist destination I can see it being a lot cheaper than, say, the French Alps.

No pictures of Michele hiding in the background?

I like Rolland at Garmin. Hope to see him do well.

 

[Benotti69]

no testing, what's not to like about Tenerife....................

 

[LaFlorecita]

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no testing, what's not to like about Tenerife....................

Surely there's testing now after Sir Froome's whistleblowing?

 

[Maxiton]

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Tenerife - not just for the big four GC guys any more: http://cyclingtips.com/2016/02/a-day-with-cannondale-pro-cycling-at-their-tenerife-training-camp/

Must say the pics look great and tempted me to go cycling there. Since it's such a massive package tourist destination I can see it being a lot cheaper than, say, the French Alps.

Did you see those pictures of Rolland? What a relief it must be to finally be rid of those 70s training techniques. He looks good. Like a man who's just been shot forward four decades in time.

("What's this thing called again?" "It's called the Internet, Rolland.")

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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Tenerife - not just for the big four GC guys any more: http://cyclingtips.com/2016/02/a-day-with-cannondale-pro-cycling-at-their-tenerife-training-camp/

Must say the pics look great and tempted me to go cycling there. Since it's such a massive package tourist destination I can see it being a lot cheaper than, say, the French Alps.

Did you see those pictures of Rolland? What a relief it must be to finally be rid of those 70s training techniques. He looks good. Like a man who's just been shot forward four decades in time.

("What's this thing called again?" "It's called the Internet, Rolland.")

quote for lols.

 

[2008885]

Why does anyone think that Tenerife is remote? Total tourist number for 2014 is over 5 million, which suggests that the place is fairly accessible.....

 

[pastronef]

Why does anyone think that Tenerife is remote? Total tourist number for 2014 is over 5 million, which suggests that the place is fairly accessible.....

Easyjet flies there from London, Rome, Milan, Geneva, Paris, Amsterdam.

riders have to update their whereabouts on the ADAMS system every 3 months (4 times a year) so, since training camps are programmed, they already know they'll be there.
and if 1 rider updates his whereabouts last minute is fine, his team mates would have already programmed to be there and sent theit schedule during one of the 4 yearly updates of the ADAMS system.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Why does anyone think that Tenerife is remote? Total tourist number for 2014 is over 5 million, which suggests that the place is fairly accessible.....

If only there was someone to ask the same question again.

Oh there you are.

 

[pastronef]

I was wondering. the riders must upload theit ADAMS whereabouts 4 times a year.
31/12
31/03
31/06
30/09
they already know (more or less) their schedule, races, training camps etc


they can modify the whereabouts when there is change of schedule

and EVERYBODY KNOWS the riders go to TEIDE after Ardennes/Romandie, before Dauphinè.


can't WADA/Uci prepare themselves to test? flights from Ginevra, Milan, Paris, London, Amsterdam, Berlin etc with

the riders dont go there alone (so they can modify the whereabouts the day before and go).
if a rider modifies his whereabouts the day before ok, maybe the testers did not plan to go there for the following 2 weeks.
BUT riders dont go there alone. all the other team mates have already sent Wada their whereabouts, months before (because the stage on Teide is programmed) so wada KNOWS which teams will be training on Teide is that period.

its not a rider's problem. if Uci Wada want to test: FUCHKING SEND THE TESTERS THERE.

 

[wrinklyvet]

Why does anyone think that Tenerife is remote? Total tourist number for 2014 is over 5 million, which suggests that the place is fairly accessible.....

If only there was someone to ask the same question again.

Oh there you are.

Yes, it has been asked before. But it is no less mystifying that the word hasn't spread that this is genuinely a good place to train for many non-cynical reasons. The clue to the repetition is in the title of the thread and the repetitive replies to the questions are wasted on many of the readers, because of the way the choice of this location has been used to construct smears. But as we now know, most of the WT teams from Europe go there and it is up the the testers to do so as well.

It's not hard to make a flying visit but this would be a sinecure for some old boy with no other occupation. Sunny beaches, temperate climes and an occasional hire car trip with his testing kit up the wonderful mountain. In fact, a cushy job suitable for any age or gender.

 

[Benotti69]

Imagine the amount of flights daily to Tenerife and still no one goes to test the riders.....hmmmm, no one wants a nice cushy job at any age or gender!

 

[sniper]

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Imagine the amount of flights daily to Tenerife and still no one goes to test the riders.....hmmmm, no one wants a nice cushy job at any age or gender!

the point with tenerife or girona for me is that, if you are a (hardcore) antidoping team, you simply wouldn't go there, if only to make a convincing antidoping statement.
After what we know happened in those places, to base your team there and your team's training and altitude sessions, meanwhile claiming to be (hardcore) antidoping...that's just taking the piss.

 

[Maxiton]

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Imagine the amount of flights daily to Tenerife and still no one goes to test the riders.....hmmmm, no one wants a nice cushy job at any age or gender!

the point with tenerife or girona for me is that, if you are a (hardcore) antidoping team, you simply wouldn't go there, if only to make a convincing antidoping statement.
After what we know happened in those places, to base your team there and your team's training and altitude sessions, meanwhile claiming to be (hardcore) antidoping...that's just taking the piss.

YEP, big time.

 

[wrinklyvet]

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Imagine the amount of flights daily to Tenerife and still no one goes to test the riders.....hmmmm, no one wants a nice cushy job at any age or gender!

the point with tenerife or girona for me is that, if you are a (hardcore) antidoping team, you simply wouldn't go there, if only to make a convincing antidoping statement.
After what we know happened in those places, to base your team there and your team's training and altitude sessions, meanwhile claiming to be (hardcore) antidoping...that's just taking the piss.

OK. Where would you train instead at this time of year?

 

[thehog]

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Imagine the amount of flights daily to Tenerife and still no one goes to test the riders.....hmmmm, no one wants a nice cushy job at any age or gender!

the point with tenerife or girona for me is that, if you are a (hardcore) antidoping team, you simply wouldn't go there, if only to make a convincing antidoping statement.
After what we know happened in those places, to base your team there and your team's training and altitude sessions, meanwhile claiming to be (hardcore) antidoping...that's just taking the piss.

OK. Where would you train instead at this time of year?

The world is a small place, there's not many mountainous parts of the globe

 

[Archibald]

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Imagine the amount of flights daily to Tenerife and still no one goes to test the riders.....hmmmm, no one wants a nice cushy job at any age or gender!

the point with tenerife or girona for me is that, if you are a (hardcore) antidoping team, you simply wouldn't go there, if only to make a convincing antidoping statement.
After what we know happened in those places, to base your team there and your team's training and altitude sessions, meanwhile claiming to be (hardcore) antidoping...that's just taking the piss.

OK. Where would you train instead at this time of year?

South Africa, with only one other team mate...

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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Imagine the amount of flights daily to Tenerife and still no one goes to test the riders.....hmmmm, no one wants a nice cushy job at any age or gender!

the point with tenerife or girona for me is that, if you are a (hardcore) antidoping team, you simply wouldn't go there, if only to make a convincing antidoping statement.
After what we know happened in those places, to base your team there and your team's training and altitude sessions, meanwhile claiming to be (hardcore) antidoping...that's just taking the piss.

OK. Where would you train instead at this time of year?

South Africa, with only one other team mate...

Yeah after Wrinkly Vet's assertion of how wonderful Tenerife is, I was hoping he'd expand on Froome's absence this year, ah well.

South Africa is much better than Tenerife for getting your medical situation sorted, not being part of the EU, etc.

 

[pastronef]

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Imagine the amount of flights daily to Tenerife and still no one goes to test the riders.....hmmmm, no one wants a nice cushy job at any age or gender!

the point with tenerife or girona for me is that, if you are a (hardcore) antidoping team, you simply wouldn't go there, if only to make a convincing antidoping statement.
After what we know happened in those places, to base your team there and your team's training and altitude sessions, meanwhile claiming to be (hardcore) antidoping...that's just taking the piss.

one could decide not to train in Tenerife, that's doable, stay home and not go there
but in Girona there are 3-4 service course, many teams there, even small conti teams, not just Cannondale or Lotto-Jumbo, and many pro-conti and conti riders from all nationalities live there, scandinavians, belgians, americans, aussies, british, dutch. and train together. airport in near town, little traffic-free roads, good weather. many women riders live there too.
riders like Jetse Bol, Chad Haga, Van Emden, Vermeulen live there, and they not actually smashing Lance's records on local climbs
so because USPS were there, nooone should live there?

 

[pastronef]

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Imagine the amount of flights daily to Tenerife and still no one goes to test the riders.....hmmmm, no one wants a nice cushy job at any age or gender!

the point with tenerife or girona for me is that, if you are a (hardcore) antidoping team, you simply wouldn't go there, if only to make a convincing antidoping statement.
After what we know happened in those places, to base your team there and your team's training and altitude sessions, meanwhile claiming to be (hardcore) antidoping...that's just taking the piss.

OK. Where would you train instead at this time of year?

South Africa, with only one other team mate...

Yeah after Wrinkly Vet's assertion of how wonderful Tenerife is, I was hoping he'd expand on Froome's absence this year, ah well.

South Africa is much better than Tenerife for getting your medical situation sorted, not being part of the EU, etc.

he'll go there after Romandie, don't worry DW. I am (fully ) aware that the tests/results are skewed by the altidude.
but funny how when Froome goes to Tenerife it is not good.
Froome then goes to South Africa and people go "why not Tenerife?"

 

[wrinklyvet]

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Exactly, pastronef. South Africa is not a serious suggestion if there are the same objections to it. I don't say it's not a good place to train but there is at least equal cycnicism about it.

I am not asking for jokes and smears. I await a better genuine serious suggestion from those who decry Tenerife.

Where else should European teams go when continental Europe is cold? Where is the approved place that they haven't found, that is accessible and will not be open to identical criticisms?

 

[Catwhoorg]

Why does anyone think that Tenerife is remote? Total tourist number for 2014 is over 5 million, which suggests that the place is fairly accessible.....

If only there was someone to ask the same question again.

Oh there you are.

Yes, it has been asked before. But it is no less mystifying that the word hasn't spread that this is genuinely a good place to train for many non-cynical reasons. The clue to the repetition is in the title of the thread and the repetitive replies to the questions are wasted on many of the readers, because of the way the choice of this location has been used to construct smears. But as we now know, most of the WT teams from Europe go there and it is up the the testers to do so as well.

It's not hard to make a flying visit but this would be a sinecure for some old boy with no other occupation. Sunny beaches, temperate climes and an occasional hire car trip with his testing kit up the wonderful mountain. In fact, a cushy job suitable for any age or gender.

I have been saying for years, retain and train a local nurse or two as a DCO.
He/She keeps the day job and gets paid hourly for work they do as a DCO.

Would work perfectly.

 

[Benotti69]

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Exactly, pastronef. South Africa is not a serious suggestion if there are the same objections to it. I don't say it's not a good place to train but there is at least equal cycnicism about it.

I am not asking for jokes and smears. I await a better genuine serious suggestion from those who decry Tenerife.

Where else should European teams go when continental Europe is cold? Where is the approved place that they haven't found, that is accessible and will not be open to identical criticisms?

Where did they go before needing to get away from testers?

If i remember correctly Sean Kelly spent the off season at home on Southern Ireland then went to the Skiing camp with the team then started racing. But then he didn't need to bag blood or beat OOC tests.

The weather in Europe is cold and wet, but when did that stop people from training? SA or Tenerife is the avoidance of testing and the need to 'train' at altitude to explain away blood passport anomalies......doesn't take a genius to figure that

 

[wrinklyvet]

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Exactly, pastronef. South Africa is not a serious suggestion if there are the same objections to it. I don't say it's not a good place to train but there is at least equal cycnicism about it.

I am not asking for jokes and smears. I await a better genuine serious suggestion from those who decry Tenerife.

Where else should European teams go when continental Europe is cold? Where is the approved place that they haven't found, that is accessible and will not be open to identical criticisms?

Where did they go before needing to get away from testers?

If i remember correctly Sean Kelly spent the off season at home on Southern Ireland then went to the Skiing camp with the team then started racing. But then he didn't need to bag blood or beat OOC tests.

The weather in Europe is cold and wet, but when did that stop people from training? SA or Tenerife is the avoidance of testing and the need to 'train' at altitude to explain away blood passport anomalies......doesn't take a genius to figure that

If people say Tenerife and South Africa are both off limits for various reasons it really is up to them to suggest somewhere better, not to say, "Don't do it at all."

Just imagine, if you will, that you are responsible for a team that does want a training camp in warmer climes with suitable terrain off-season. Never mind that Sean Kelly trained at home. Can you think of a place, as I asked, that would not attract your opprobrium? No, obviously not.

 

[thehog]

Why does anyone think that Tenerife is remote? Total tourist number for 2014 is over 5 million, which suggests that the place is fairly accessible.....

If only there was someone to ask the same question again.

Oh there you are.

Yes, it has been asked before. But it is no less mystifying that the word hasn't spread that this is genuinely a good place to train for many non-cynical reasons. The clue to the repetition is in the title of the thread and the repetitive replies to the questions are wasted on many of the readers, because of the way the choice of this location has been used to construct smears. But as we now know, most of the WT teams from Europe go there and it is up the the testers to do so as well.

It's not hard to make a flying visit but this would be a sinecure for some old boy with no other occupation. Sunny beaches, temperate climes and an occasional hire car trip with his testing kit up the wonderful mountain. In fact, a cushy job suitable for any age or gender.

I have been saying for years, retain and train a local nurse or two as a DCO.
He/She keeps the day job and gets paid hourly for work they do as a DCO.

Would work perfectly.

She was known as the White Dove...

Manzano recounted how riders paid a nurse whose nickname was the Paloma Blanca (white dove) to transport the doping products between hotels to avoid detection from police and racing officials.

“She was paid 27,000 euros to do this. Each cyclist paid 3000 euros,” he said. “She carried EPO, testosterone, synthetic hemoglobin from hotel to hotel.”

 

[Benotti69]

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Exactly, pastronef. South Africa is not a serious suggestion if there are the same objections to it. I don't say it's not a good place to train but there is at least equal cycnicism about it.

I am not asking for jokes and smears. I await a better genuine serious suggestion from those who decry Tenerife.

Where else should European teams go when continental Europe is cold? Where is the approved place that they haven't found, that is accessible and will not be open to identical criticisms?

Where did they go before needing to get away from testers?

If i remember correctly Sean Kelly spent the off season at home on Southern Ireland then went to the Skiing camp with the team then started racing. But then he didn't need to bag blood or beat OOC tests.

The weather in Europe is cold and wet, but when did that stop people from training? SA or Tenerife is the avoidance of testing and the need to 'train' at altitude to explain away blood passport anomalies......doesn't take a genius to figure that

If people say Tenerife and South Africa are both off limits for various reasons it really is up to them to suggest somewhere better, not to say, "Don't do it at all."

Just imagine, if you will, that you are responsible for a team that does want a training camp in warmer climes with suitable terrain off-season. Never mind that Sean Kelly trained at home. Can you think of a place, as I asked, that would not attract your opprobrium? No, obviously not.

What is wrong with training at home? Maybe if Wiggins trained at home on wet roads he wouldn't be such a sissy on descents?

Maybe if I was the team owner and riders wanted the sun, they could pay for it themselves. South of Italy is warm 11months out of 12. Sicily?

You are avoiding the doping issue. The whole raison d'aitre to go to Tenerife is the 'altitude' to claim nullification of strange blood values, inc lack of testing and SA where non SA riders are not tested by SA anti doping. But then that is too obvious and the thread is about why they go to Tenerife....but obfuscation is where you are at!