Why Tenerife?

[thehook]

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Mallorca is more expensive, is at the sea level, and it is not so quite and with so good weather, authough is good. Tenerife is beter than Etna, better than Sierra Nevada and clearly better than Navacerrada... just Hawai is similar, that is far away.

And hawaii is full of americans that would shoot cyclists or just run them over !!!

2nd Amendment, Shoot back! LMAO

 

[danielovichdk2]

Ridiculous to think that there is something special about Tenerife in terms of dope. The canarian islands are brilliant for training. Get over it.

 

[pastronef]

https://www.twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/601055642959355904

Roche Kennaugh Rowe Froome Thomas Stannard

Poels is there too, I guess on different schedule/rides after his shoulder operation

 

[red_flanders]

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Ridiculous to think that there is something special about Tenerife in terms of dope. The canarian islands are brilliant for training. Get over it.

Same with St. Moritz, where Armstrong used to meet with his doping doctor and claim altitude. The only things special about Tenerife are altitude cover story and relative remoteness to cover nefarious activity. And I'm sure it's also a good, quiet place to train in the mountains.

Postal used to have training camps in Tenerife run by Ferrari.

 

[sniper]

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Ridiculous to think that there is something special about Tenerife in terms of dope. The canarian islands are brilliant for training. Get over it.

Postal used to have training camps in Tenerife run by Ferrari.

yeah, one of several things they copied /inherited from USPS.
wasn't one of Sky's principle PR slogans "to do things differently"? (e.g. here: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/cycling/20147726)
somehow reality always catches up with Sky.

 

[danielovichdk2]

Re: Re:

Ridiculous to think that there is something special about Tenerife in terms of dope. The canarian islands are brilliant for training. Get over it.

Same with St. Moritz, where Armstrong used to meet with his doping doctor and claim altitude. The only things special about Tenerife are altitude cover story and relative remoteness to cover nefarious activity. And I'm sure it's also a good, quiet place to train in the mountains.

Postal used to have training camps in Tenerife run by Ferrari.

Not saying they don't dope at Tenerife, just saying it's not the sole reason to train there.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

People need to get their arguments straight. On one hand, Sky are having to travel to a remote mountain in the middle of nowhere to avoid getting caught whilst doping. On the other hand, Richie is currently riding around Italy in a giant doping van. As it's largely the same people arguing both points, perhaps someone could explain the obvious contradictions I have pointed out.

 

[Benotti69]

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People need to get their arguments straight. On one hand, Sky are having to travel to a remote mountain in the middle of nowhere to avoid getting caught whilst doping. On the other hand, Richie is currently riding around Italy in a giant doping van. As it's largely the same people arguing both points, perhaps someone could explain the obvious contradictions I have pointed out.

What contradictions. Didn't USPS travel to Teide to dope and didn't Ferrari park on Cols in his camper to meet USPS during GTs.

But hey Sky dont dope, they train harder and are more committed than the lazy dopers.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

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People need to get their arguments straight. On one hand, Sky are having to travel to a remote mountain in the middle of nowhere to avoid getting caught whilst doping. On the other hand, Richie is currently riding around Italy in a giant doping van. As it's largely the same people arguing both points, perhaps someone could explain the obvious contradictions I have pointed out.

What contradictions. Didn't USPS travel to Teide to dope and didn't Ferrari park on Cols in his camper to meet USPS during GTs.

But hey Sky dont dope, they train harder and are more committed than the lazy dopers.

Why do you always refuse to address the questions raised and start off on some other tangent which has nothing whatsoever to do with anything I posted? I have not said anything about Sky being clean and I have not said that they could not dope in both instances mentioned. Now, maybe you can answer the question I originally posted. Or maybe not given your track record.

 

[Bronstein]

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People need to get their arguments straight. On one hand, Sky are having to travel to a remote mountain in the middle of nowhere to avoid getting caught whilst doping. On the other hand, Richie is currently riding around Italy in a giant doping van. As it's largely the same people arguing both points, perhaps someone could explain the obvious contradictions I have pointed out.

What are the contradictions?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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People need to get their arguments straight. On one hand, Sky are having to travel to a remote mountain in the middle of nowhere to avoid getting caught whilst doping. On the other hand, Richie is currently riding around Italy in a giant doping van. As it's largely the same people arguing both points, perhaps someone could explain the obvious contradictions I have pointed out.

What are the contradictions?

+infinity.

What was the question?

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

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People need to get their arguments straight. On one hand, Sky are having to travel to a remote mountain in the middle of nowhere to avoid getting caught whilst doping. On the other hand, Richie is currently riding around Italy in a giant doping van. As it's largely the same people arguing both points, perhaps someone could explain the obvious contradictions I have pointed out.

What are the contradictions?

+infinity.

What was the question?

It's four posts up. Hope it doesn't trouble you too much to have to scroll up that far.

 

[The_Cheech]

Let's not forget Tinkoff's recent trip to Kilimanjaro. That was a R-E-A-L-L-Y? moment for me. To go as far as climbing Africa's highest peak/volcano to get away from testers as well as get a free pass on the bio passport... That was overkill.

I think all the teams go to Tenerife to make it a lot harder for testing personnel to get to them as well as get quality, and doped up, training away from prying individuals. All the while their unsuspecting families enjoy the amenities of a five star hotel and the perfect weather. Thus they kill five birds with one stone.

Yep, I can't wrap my head around as to why people would go there... And the Sun does not orbit planet Earth folks!

Move on.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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People need to get their arguments straight. On one hand, Sky are having to travel to a remote mountain in the middle of nowhere to avoid getting caught whilst doping. On the other hand, Richie is currently riding around Italy in a giant doping van. As it's largely the same people arguing both points, perhaps someone could explain the obvious contradictions I have pointed out.

What are the contradictions?

+infinity.

What was the question?

It's four posts up. Hope it doesn't trouble you too much to have to scroll up that far.

People need to get their arguments straight. On one hand, Sky are having to travel to a remote mountain in the middle of nowhere to avoid getting caught whilst doping. On the other hand, Richie is currently riding around Italy in a giant doping van. As it's largely the same people arguing both points, perhaps someone could explain the obvious contradictions I have pointed out.

Pretty sure you're not ESL, so the claim that this post ^^^ contains a contradiction is pretty fricken weird.

Could you perhaps be more clear on what it is exactly you find so contradictory?

 

[danielovichdk2]

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Let's not forget Tinkoff's recent trip to Kilimanjaro. That was a R-E-A-L-L-Y? moment for me. To go as far as climbing Africa's highest peak/volcano to get away from testers as well as get a free pass on the bio passport... That was overkill.

I think all the teams go to Tenerife to make it a lot harder for testing personnel to get to them as well as get quality, and doped up, training away from prying individuals. All the while their unsuspecting families enjoy the amenities of a five star hotel and the perfect weather. Thus they kill five birds with one stone.

Yep, I can't wrap my head around as to why people would go there... And the Sun does not orbit planet Earth folks!

Move on.

this!

 

[red_flanders]

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People need to get their arguments straight. On one hand, Sky are having to travel to a remote mountain in the middle of nowhere to avoid getting caught whilst doping. On the other hand, Richie is currently riding around Italy in a giant doping van. As it's largely the same people arguing both points, perhaps someone could explain the obvious contradictions I have pointed out.

There is a difference between "having to" do something and doing something which "makes it easier and safer" to dope.

And no, it's not the same people.

Your "Contradictions" claim supposes the strawman that they "have to" go to Tenerife, when the fact is that going to Tenerife simply "makes it safer" to dope while training. Riders can, have, and will continue to dope during races. It's simply more dangerous.

No contradictions.

 

[doperhopper]

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Let's not forget Tinkoff's recent trip to Kilimanjaro. That was a R-E-A-L-L-Y? moment for me. To go as far as climbing Africa's highest peak/volcano to get away from testers as well as get a free pass on the bio passport... That was overkill.

I think all the teams go to Tenerife to make it a lot harder for testing personnel to get to them as well as get quality, and doped up, training away from prying individuals. All the while their unsuspecting families enjoy the amenities of a five star hotel and the perfect weather. Thus they kill five birds with one stone.

Yep, I can't wrap my head around as to why people would go there... And the Sun does not orbit planet Earth folks!

Move on.

this!

Just wondering, what's next? Tenerife or stuff like lost colombian village are already mainstream, they should invent something like Antarctica, Sahara or badzilla-threatening african rainforest, or if altitude is the primary concern, we have vast Tibet to be explored.

 

[Benotti69]

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People need to get their arguments straight. On one hand, Sky are having to travel to a remote mountain in the middle of nowhere to avoid getting caught whilst doping. On the other hand, Richie is currently riding around Italy in a giant doping van. As it's largely the same people arguing both points, perhaps someone could explain the obvious contradictions I have pointed out.

What contradictions. Didn't USPS travel to Teide to dope and didn't Ferrari park on Cols in his camper to meet USPS during GTs.

But hey Sky dont dope, they train harder and are more committed than the lazy dopers.

Why do you always refuse to address the questions raised and start off on some other tangent which has nothing whatsoever to do with anything I posted? I have not said anything about Sky being clean and I have not said that they could not dope in both instances mentioned. Now, maybe you can answer the question I originally posted. Or maybe not given your track record.

7 other posters dont see any contradiction. Neither did i. I gave an example to answer the question.

My 'track' record is clean thank you very much. My road is all over the place, but then again i have been at altitude....

 

[Froomster]

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Just wondering, what's next? Tenerife or stuff like lost colombian village are already mainstream, they should invent something like Antarctica, Sahara or badzilla-threatening african rainforest, or if altitude is the primary concern, we have vast Tibet to be explored.

Tenerife is the closest place to get to that they don't drug test. If they start sending testers there regularly, nobody will train there anymore. They'll move on to the next closest, out of the way place.

 

[The_Cheech]

Re: Re:

Let's not forget Tinkoff's recent trip to Kilimanjaro. That was a R-E-A-L-L-Y? moment for me. To go as far as climbing Africa's highest peak/volcano to get away from testers as well as get a free pass on the bio passport... That was overkill.

I think all the teams go to Tenerife to make it a lot harder for testing personnel to get to them as well as get quality, and doped up, training away from prying individuals. All the while their unsuspecting families enjoy the amenities of a five star hotel and the perfect weather. Thus they kill five birds with one stone.

Yep, I can't wrap my head around as to why people would go there... And the Sun does not orbit planet Earth folks!

Move on.

this!

Just wondering, what's next? Tenerife or stuff like lost colombian village are already mainstream, they should invent something like Antarctica, Sahara or badzilla-threatening african rainforest, or if altitude is the primary concern, we have vast Tibet to be explored.

Another reason why teams go to Tenerife is it's climate: Fall/Winter weather in the island is very similar to the summer weather in the Alps or the Pyrenees.

If your goal is to win the TdF then it makes sense to find a (civilized and nearby) place that has hills with similar %, heat, humidity, et cetera.

Going to too-hot/too-cold/too-high places actually gets in the way of quality training because your body will be spending a great deal of resources just to acclimate itself to the place.

 

[sniper]

Ferrari explaining possible advantage of training at Tenerife.

In the spring of 2010, some riders of a Pro-Tour team that were training at altitude (on Teide, Tenerife) were subjected to the normal ABP samples. One they received the results of the analysis, considering them unreliable (the values were too high), all it took was a phone call from the team doctor to his friend Dr. Zorzoli, in charge of UCI's doping department, in order to get the results of those tests cleared from the profiles, as deemed inconvenient for the Team and for the sake of the Biological Passport system, which tends not to consider the effects of altitude.
This behavior reminds me of the rather common habit of certain Researchers to hide or simply ignore "inconvenient data", i.e. furthest from the "truth" that they want to prove.
http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=115

As Kerrison says: “People underestimate the impact of being at altitude.”
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/all-aboard-the-magic-bus-3974#Zm3lVAH6VcAxcgWj.99

 

[King Boonen]

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...I think all the teams go to Tenerife to make it a lot harder for testing personnel to get to them as well ...

This is not true. Tenerife is possibly one of the easiest places to get to in Europe in terms of connections from different points. If they are not testing on Tenerife it's not because they struggle to get there.

 

[blackcat]

Ferrari explaining possible advantage of training at Tenerife.

In the spring of 2010, some riders of a Pro-Tour team that were training at altitude (on Teide, Tenerife) were subjected to the normal ABP samples. One they received the results of the analysis, considering them unreliable (the values were too high), all it took was a phone call from the team doctor to his friend Dr. Zorzoli, in charge of UCI's doping department, in order to get the results of those tests cleared from the profiles, as deemed inconvenient for the Team and for the sake of the Biological Passport system, which tends not to consider the effects of altitude.
This behavior reminds me of the rather common habit of certain Researchers to hide or simply ignore "inconvenient data", i.e. furthest from the "truth" that they want to prove.
http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=115

As Kerrison says: “People underestimate the impact of being at altitude.”
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/all-aboard-the-magic-bus-3974#Zm3lVAH6VcAxcgWj.99

the old Technical Instrument Calibration Error <Maxwell Smart voice> or, Machine Calibration Error (MCE)

and Parmalat dairy Butter on Head BOH

 

[blackcat]

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Just wondering, what's next? Tenerife or stuff like lost colombian village are already mainstream, they should invent something like Antarctica, Sahara or badzilla-threatening african rainforest, or if altitude is the primary concern, we have vast Tibet to be explored.

Tenerife is the closest place to get to that they don't drug test. If they start sending testers there regularly, nobody will train there anymore. They'll move on to the next closest, out of the way place.

yeah, game theory. and even tho Froome sung, he knew this, it was just propaganda from F-dog

 

[vedrafjord]

Tenerife - not just for the big four GC guys any more: http://cyclingtips.com/2016/02/a-day-with-cannondale-pro-cycling-at-their-tenerife-training-camp/

Must say the pics look great and tempted me to go cycling there. Since it's such a massive package tourist destination I can see it being a lot cheaper than, say, the French Alps.