Wigans goes there. Cadence!

[blackcat]

It's been banned, just FYI.

that was the point i was trying to make.

yeah, the doping was banned electress, but electress thinks we go back to clean performance but evolution has sufficienly compensated for not doping.

and elctress never got the use of "sounds legit" and "good grief"

= #FAIL

 

[red_flanders]

You are assuming I don't actually have exactly the same suspicions as you do. I guess I just want to question them and have them questioned. But perhaps this is not the place to do so...

No need to make any judgement on this place. I'm personally just tired and don't feel like getting into it again right now, that's all.

 

[The Hitch]

The poster said something about how if you don't believe riders can beat epo times you don't believe there's room for humans to improve.

My response to that is - errr not in a handful of years.

Like for example jet packs that allow all humans to fly might one day come out. But I don't expect them on the market in 2018. Likewise I don't expect 4-5 years after all the CERA gts for 2.guys weighing less than their clothes to ride faster than they all did and smash the tts too , after winning every race for 6 months.

I mean in 10 years since pantani speeds regressed. Then 3 years after that a guy older than half the people who got caught by the epo tests is supposed to represent a sudden jump in evolution ?

 

[the sceptic]

his new team is called WIGGINS? lol..

a positive test at roubaix would be sooo sweet.

 

[Beech Mtn]

his new team is called WIGGINS? lol..

a positive test at roubaix would be sooo sweet.

Gotta disagree here. What would be sweet is if Brad would announce that team WIGGINS is riding for a charitable cause: to raise awareness of the dreadful debilitating disease that is Bilharzia.

Never more shall young athletes of world-beating potential have to suffer the indignities of pushing Greg Henderson and zig-zagging up hills. As god is my witness, we shall win this battle against this hugely complex, and difficult to cure, curse upon mankind.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I'm offering it as a comparative model into how change can happen and suggesting that maybe that model could apply to improvement in the sport as a whole.

Any attempts at making sense of elite male road cycling performance are futile in 2015.

For 2015, the UCI is controlling every aspect of anti-doping from sample to results from their offices in Switzerland. So, take what was recently disclosed about Russia's elite athletics and apply it to WT cycling.

The Wiggans situation since 2014 is just strange and not going to get any less strange going forward.

There is just no way to apply any kind of structured logic to explain any of it.

 

[RownhamHill]

The Wiggans situation since 2014 is just strange and not going to get any less strange going forward.

There is just no way to apply any kind of structured logic to explain any of it.

Why particularly since 2014?

 

[DirtyWorks]

Why particularly since 2014?

Two people can't be on the same team and not get along to the point you bench a really powerful rider is just strange. I'm not asking for perfect harmony, but vaguely adult, professional behaviour.

 

[blackcat]

Any attempts at making sense of elite male road cycling performance are futile in 2015.

For 2015, the UCI is controlling every aspect of anti-doping from sample to results from their offices in Switzerland. So, take what was recently disclosed about Russia's elite athletics and apply it to WT cycling.

The Wiggans situation since 2014 is just strange and not going to get any less strange going forward.

There is just no way to apply any kind of structured logic to explain any of it.

Wiggins could have seen that he could always have an opportunity if Froome crashed out, but Wiggins would never work for Froome-dawg in 2013 to compensate him for 2012 support Froome gave him when he was palpably the best rider in the race that year.

If Wiggins swallowed his pride, he could have repaid Froome in 2013, and then supported him in 2014, and when Froome suffered on the cobbles and crosswinds, Wiggins could have helped, then if Froome dropped out, he could have taked over leadership.

shortsightedness.

 

[RownhamHill]

Two people can't be on the same team and not get along to the point you bench a really powerful rider is just strange. I'm not asking for perfect harmony, but vaguely adult, professional behaviour.

Thanks - and yeah, its very odd. And re BlackCats post I've always had the sense its been Froome calling the shots on this - that certainly last year Wiggins would have gone to the TdF and worked for Froome, but who really knows!

 

[bobbins]

Thanks - and yeah, its very odd. And re BlackCats post I've always had the sense its been Froome calling the shots on this - that certainly last year Wiggins would have gone to the TdF and worked for Froome, but who really knows!

Froome wouldn't even take Christian Knees to the Tour so having Wiggins there was totally out of the question.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Two people can't be on the same team and not get along to the point you bench a really powerful rider is just strange. I'm not asking for perfect harmony, but vaguely adult, professional behaviour.

You'd be surprised. Realize that most athletes are where they are because of their extreme personalities. Think also about the fact that being groomed and tailored in a development program is not the adult world; they don't ever learn how to act like the vague adult, professionals that regular civilians are used to.

 

[ray j willings]

Wiggins joins Sky. Leinders joins Sky. Performance level increases among all riders.
Wiggins try's to win Vuelta. Sky realise/confirm at the Vuleta Froome is a better GT contender and if they stopped the massage of Wiggo's ego Froome could, should have won.
Olympic year and all that and the tour has a route that has huge amounts of ITT. No real challengers are in form and Froome drags Wiggins around for Great British jubilee victory but Wiggins is not happy because its obvious to all that Froome is a much better climber and gets upset when Froome rides away from him chasing after Valverde. Wiggins wins tour but knows his number 1 spot as Sky's main GT contender now belongs to Froome. Wiggins and Froome argue and no way Wiggo will ride for Froome. After Wiggo got destroyed at the Giro by Nibs he knew he would have to pursue other areas if he wanted to win something note worthy. By accident he does well on the cobbles and now thinks he can win PR and then head for the track with his ego not to badly dented. Sky meanwhile focus all the efforts around the tour hoping that Bertie will be to tired to win and that the small amount of ITT there is will be enough for Froome to beat the rest.
Nothing complicated about. DB "Keep the ego's massaged"

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

By accident he does well on the cobbles and now thinks he can win PR and then head for the track with his ego not to badly dented.

No-one does well on the cobbles by accident. Wiggo is a big unit, with much better bike-handling than generally assumed in the dry, so ideally suited to last year's PR.

Aiming for PR next year is a logical step for a man who has won golds on the track, short stage races, a GT and the OG/WC ITT. 2014's target was always the WC ITT, and that box is now safely ticked.

Re Froome being the best rider in the 2012 Tour, it's wise not to forget that Wiggo walloped him in the ITTs, and he would have needed a lot of time gains on a relatively limited number of climbs. Doubtless Froome was stronger than Wiggo on the Peyragudes, but that's a short climb with limited scope for gains. Who knows what would have happened if he'd attacked properly on La Toussuire. He might have gained 3 minutes or flattered to deceive as he did towards the end of Vuelta 2011, and on Alpe D'Huez and Semnoz.

I don't doubt Wiggo was p*ssed of at the way he got sidelined at Sky, but ultimately, he's got the gold medals, the Knighthood and the high profile. Froome is (widely perceived to be, amongst the masses) just some bloke with a shifty foreign accent who isn't really British who keeps falling off his bike.

 

[Michele]

No-one does well on the cobbles by accident. Wiggo is a big unit, with much better bike-handling than generally assumed in the dry, so ideally suited to last year's PR.

....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt5h-rnsF6I

 

[epluribusnev]

Nice find! I think that I have emulated that identical dismount once or thrice in my past. When suitably knackered, it's quite simple to execute...that and catching your lead foot while attempting to hurdle a barricade. Good times!

 

[ray j willings]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdoZ2-LjnSE


great skill ,,,amateur

 

[vedrafjord]

Mentioned obliquely in the black hole that is the Sky thread, but there are some choice Clinic quotes in the Wiggins interview on the front page.

On FdJ:

So there were these two paths and I could have ended up like so many others, with a history and you just don't know when you're 21-years-old. If I'd ended up living in Italy, I don't know what would have happened and I'd like to think I would have done the right thing but peer pressure, fear of losing my job and this being my childhood dream, you just don't know.

Cycling in that era was a lot different but French cycling seemed to have changed its tune back then. Madiot, after 1998, said we'd do it like this - in a correct way - and I have a lot of respect for him because they really did change after 1998 and a lot of others didn't. They've paid the price for that. Yet Madiot is still here with his team and he deserves a lot of credit for that. I was very fortunate to end up there.

Credit Agricole (lol at Rogers and Cancellara being clean):

I was beaten on the day by [Alexandre] Kashechkin, who went [for doping], Vino (Alexander Vinokourov) who went, Ruben Plaza who is here but is half the rider he used to be, and they all went in Fuentes [Operaci?n Puerto -ed.]. [Michael] Rogers won that day, Fabian [Cancellara] was second and [Jose Ivan] Gutierez was third. So on paper I was probably fourth but at the time seventh was a huge result for me.

Colombia High Road:

At the back there were seats and on the left a toilet on the right this small little room with a door and a two-seater bench.

Someone would always sit there with their rucksack and you could close the door if you wanted. I used to go there and just sleep but it was an odd space. Looking back it was obviously the room where the T-Mobile guys would hang their blood bags or EPO up.

Then he moves to Garmin and is suddenly one of the best climbers in the world but that's handwaved as:

Then I ended up stumbling into being fourth at the Tour.

Hmmm.

 

[The Hitch]

Mentioned obliquely in the black hole that is the Sky thread, but there are some choice Clinic quotes in the Wiggins interview on the front page.

On FdJ:


Credit Agricole (lol at Rogers and Cancellara being clean):


Colombia High Road:


Then he moves to Garmin and is suddenly one of the best climbers in the world but that's handwaved as:


Hmmm.

Anyone who reads that and doesn't conclude he is doping needs their head examined.

Yes I said it.

And yes its true. No matter what poor technicalities his small army of fans desperately tries to create.

 

[thehog]

Mentioned obliquely in the black hole that is the Sky thread, but there are some choice Clinic quotes in the Wiggins interview on the front page.

On FdJ:


Credit Agricole (lol at Rogers and Cancellara being clean):


Colombia High Road:


Then he moves to Garmin and is suddenly one of the best climbers in the world but that's handwaved as:


Hmmm.

At the back there were seats and on the left a toilet on the right this small little room with a door and a two-seater bench.

Someone would always sit there with their rucksack and you could close the door if you wanted. I used to go there and just sleep but it was an odd space. Looking back it was obviously the room where the T-Mobile guys would hang their blood bags or EPO up.

Was he talking about Rogers here?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Was he talking about Rogers here?

(fake wiggans quote)
""Me I would always just go there and take a nap. It was the marginal gain I was looking for. Like -----who takes a nap before the race,,,,,,,,,,,,you get like 1.23% extra O2 intake if you take a nap prior to the rides, something the other guys were not looking into."" All about the marginal gains brah.

 

[wrinklyvet]

(fake wiggans quote)
""Me I would always just go there and take a nap. It was the marginal gain I was looking for. Like -----who takes a nap before the race,,,,,,,,,,,,you get like 1.23% extra O2 intake if you take a nap prior to the rides, something the other guys were not looking into."" All about the marginal gains brah.

So you think Wiggins rather than Brailsford invented marginal gains? That's a novel idea. Brailsford copied the expression from him then.

Good joke, but I don't think so.

Actually, I recommend to you a good nap. The longer the better, I find.

 

[MartinGT]

Was he talking about Rogers here?

Funny how 'looking back now' its obvious, but not at the time

 

[wrinklyvet]

Funny how 'looking back now' its obvious, but not at the time

Do you think that if I offer a brand new expression for this - "the benefit of hindsight" - it will catch on? It's a brand new concept, never seen in the Clinic before...

 

[sniper]

So you think Wiggins rather than Brailsford invented marginal gains? That's a novel idea. Brailsford copied the expression from him then.

Good joke, but I don't think so.

Actually, I recommend to you a good nap. The longer the better, I find.

if you're beginning to take Wiggins jokes or criticism personally, perhaps time to check your temperature.