Wigans goes there. Cadence!

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Wiggins lied to Andrew Marr. He told Marr you need 3 independent doctors that scrutinise the evidence from a specialist doctor of the illness before giving authorisation for the TUE.

This is a blatant lie. Wiggin's TUEs are all prior to 2014, when there was only ONE MAN responsible for TUEs: Mario Zorzoli

scripted by his spinmiester..arguably not a lie as if pulled up he will explain he was talking about current procedures...but he knows Marr is unlikely to pull him up

and if he does he can just say...yup...you know like when Chris was really ill whilst winning Romandie

Most definitely a lie as Wiggins was talking about himself and his TUEs for injections all prior to 2014.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Re:

Wiggins lied to Andrew Marr. He told Marr you need 3 independent doctors that scrutinise the evidence from a specialist doctor of the illness before giving authorisation for the TUE.

This is a blatant lie. Wiggin's TUEs are all prior to 2014, when there was only ONE MAN responsible for TUEs: Mario Zorzoli

If someone would like to check this, the pre-Froome situation was, IIRC, you needed the sign off from a panel that "should include at least three (3) physicians with experience in the care and treatment of athletes and a sound knowledge of clinical, sports and exercise medicine" but in exceptional circumstances, for the UCI, the Zorzoli panel of one sufficed. The UCI failed to follow its own rules and it failed to follow WADA's rules. So, not a lie. Just not the whole truth. A familiar evasion technique to some around here.

 

[Benotti69]

Wiggins aversions to needles didn't stretch to tattoos........

 

[BYOP88]

Re:

Wiggins aversions to needles didn't stretch to tattoos........

They were licked on by yellow butterflies.

 

[Irondan]

Re: Re:

Wiggins aversions to needles didn't stretch to tattoos........

They were licked on by yellow butterflies.

And softened by pillows...

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Wiggins lied to Andrew Marr. He told Marr you need 3 independent doctors that scrutinise the evidence from a specialist doctor of the illness before giving authorisation for the TUE.

This is a blatant lie. Wiggin's TUEs are all prior to 2014, when there was only ONE MAN responsible for TUEs: Mario Zorzoli

If someone would like to check this, the pre-Froome situation was, IIRC, you needed the sign off from a panel that "should include at least three (3) physicians with experience in the care and treatment of athletes and a sound knowledge of clinical, sports and exercise medicine" but in exceptional circumstances, for the UCI, the Zorzoli panel of one sufficed. The UCI failed to follow its own rules and it failed to follow WADA's rules. So, not a lie. Just not the whole truth. A familiar evasion technique to some around here.

"Exceptional circumstances". Wiggins did not show any illness at all in 2012. He won every race he entered from Paris Nice to olympic TT with a little GT in between.

Kenacort is not on NHS, so Wiggins needing some so toxic should've meant unable to race due to illness or hospitalisation, not "form of his life"....so i think to call it evasion is bollix and Wiggins using Kenacort points to doping reasons. CGL.

Evasion suggests there might be unicorns in the phoenix park.......... :surprised:

 

[_nm___]

Re:

Re Rasmussen's credibility: Say, there is somebody who is taking (recreational) drugs. If I want to find out about the medical effects and dangers, I'll ask a doctor. If I want to find about about the reasons, the perceived effects and last not least the _undocumented_ effects, I'll ask an actual user.

How did they find out about micro dosing again? Scientists? Doctors? Or was it former users?

spot on

 

[gooner]

I bet Wiggins and Brailsford are delighted with Allardyce at the moment.

 

[DamianoMachiavelli]

It is true Wiggins' TUEs are backdated?

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

Wiggins aversions to needles didn't stretch to tattoos........

They were licked on by yellow butterflies.

And softened by pillows...

Pillows sterilised with hand sanitiser

 

[WildspokeJoe]

Re:

Wiggins aversions to needles didn't stretch to tattoos........

Funniest thing I've in a while.

 

[Benotti69]

It is true Wiggins' TUEs are backdated?

https://twitter.com/vayerism/status/780399260546326528

https://twitter.com/vayerism/status/780393794436997120

 

[Benotti69]

It is true Wiggins' TUEs are backdated?

https://twitter.com/vayerism/status/780399260546326528

https://twitter.com/vayerism/status/780393794436997120

Wiggins Kenacort TUE was 30/6 and was apparently based on an endoscopy that TUE says happened on 02/07, which was stage 1 TdF.

Brailsford believes in the integrity of this system!

 

[Benotti69]

good explanation

'DAME WIGGY AND HIS WONKY TUES'


http://www.velocityandvitality.com/blog/2016/9/27/dame-wiggy-and-his-wonky-tues

 

[_nm___]

It is true Wiggins' TUEs are backdated?

https://twitter.com/vayerism/status/780399260546326528

https://twitter.com/vayerism/status/780393794436997120

Wiggins Kenacort TUE was 30/6 and was apparently based on an endoscopy that TUE says happened on 02/07, which was stage 1 TdF.

Brailsford believes in the integrity of this system!

A random look shows there is actually quite a few backdated TUEs for glucocorticoids on the Fancy Bears website. Bradley Wiggins is not alone in this.

Backdated is allowed in the WADA code in emergency situations.

Fabian Cancellara’s from 22nd August 2011 is a good example: triamcinolone is administered on Wednesday 17th August, Mario Zorzoli authorises and signs it on Monday 22nd August, although it clearly says on the form “full hospitalisation diagnostic to follow”.

So, on the face of it, Bradley Wiggins’ June 2011 triamcinolone TUE was an emergency one…

 

[CTQ]

@ by _nm___

A random look shows there is actually quite a few backdated TUEs for glucocorticoids on the Fancy Bears website. Bradley Wiggins is not alone in this.

I rather think it is the capture date in the Adams system. No choice to write the date you want.

if you look one of TUEs of Belonogoff Alexander : effective date 03 june 2015 , date on the bottom of the form
14 aug. 2015. They have to carry a copy of the TUE with them at all times. They must have an authorization which is handwritten and faxed to the athlete, and later entered into the system, not necessarily in the same day.

 

[_nm___]

By the way, backdated is only allowed in the following 4 situations (see article 4.3 of the international standard for TUEs):

A)- for emergency treatment or treatment of an acute condition
B)- in exceptional circumstances if there wasn’t enough time for the athlete to submit or for the TUE committee to consider an application prior to an anti-doping control
C)- for athletes who are not international-level or national-level athletes
D)- it is agreed between WADA and the anti-doping organisation to whom the application for a backdated TUE would be made, that fairness requires the grant of the backdated TUE

 

[heart_attack_man]

It is true Wiggins' TUEs are backdated?

https://twitter.com/vayerism/status/780399260546326528

https://twitter.com/vayerism/status/780393794436997120

Wiggins Kenacort TUE was 30/6 and was apparently based on an endoscopy that TUE says happened on 02/07, which was stage 1 TdF.

Brailsford believes in the integrity of this system!

A random look shows there is actually quite a few backdated TUEs for glucocorticoids on the Fancy Bears website. Bradley Wiggins is not alone in this.

Backdated is allowed in the WADA code in emergency situations.

Fabian Cancellara’s from 22nd August 2011 is a good example: triamcinolone is administered on Wednesday 17th August, Mario Zorzoli authorises and signs it on Monday 22nd August, although it clearly says on the form “full hospitalisation diagnostic to follow”.

So, on the face of it, Bradley Wiggins’ June 2011 triamcinolone TUE was an emergency one…

By his own explanation it wasn't - he said:

BW: Yeah, I – I really struggled in that period. June-July is – is the worst period for that. April, June, July, right- right through those months, and I was having problems. And, you know, when you win the race three weeks out from the Tour de France, and I did on the Dauphiné Libere, you know, you’re the favourite for the Tour de France, the team, the Team team, the Team Sky, you know, you have the medical team there, everyone – there’s coaches checking everything’s kind, Bradley you’re on track here, you’re – you’re the favourite to win this race, now we need to make sure the next three weeks is – is there anything we can help with at the moment? Well, I’m still struggling with this breathing last week. I know it didn’t look like it but I – I kind of really – is there anything else you can do just to make sure that I don’t – I don’t – this doesn’t become an issue into a three-week race at the height of the season? And in turn I take that medical advice.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/25091602.pdf

That doesn't sound like an emergency to me...

 

[Cycle Chic]

Sean Yates ever gona be interviewed about Wiggins ?

 

[hrotha]

By the way, backdated is only allowed in the following 4 situations (see article 4.3 of the international standard for TUEs):

A)- for emergency treatment or treatment of an acute condition
B)- in exceptional circumstances if there wasn’t enough time for the athlete to submit or for the TUE committee to consider an application prior to an anti-doping control
C)- for athletes who are not international-level or national-level athletes
D)- it is agreed between WADA and the anti-doping organisation to whom the application for a backdated TUE would be made, that fairness requires the grant of the backdated TUE

Sounds to me like B and D basically allow the UCI to hand out backdated TUEs whenever they please.

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

Sean Yates ever gona be interviewed about Wiggins ?

Nope because Yates will never spit in the soup.

 

[Cycle Chic]

he was DS when Wiggins was winning so he should be interviewed

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

he was DS when Wiggins was winning so he should be interviewed

One of many who should be interviewed, but no doubt will refuse to talk.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Take a deep breath and read

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/sep/30/bradley-wiggins-full-story-asthma-allergies-tues

He had been suffering from the affects of pollen allergies since the 2003 Giro d’Italia and they had significantly affected his performances.

• He had not previously revealed details of the allergies, particularly in his 2012 autobiography, because he was “paranoid about making excuses” for not performing well.

• That rather than being performance enhancing, he believes the injections were sometimes “a detriment to my performance”.

• That although he is not certain who apart from the team doctor, Richard Freeman, knew about the injections, he assumes all senior coaches at Team Sky, including the team principal, Sir David Brailsford, were aware of them

 

[Irondan]

Re:

Take a deep breath and read

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/sep/30/bradley-wiggins-full-story-asthma-allergies-tues

He had been suffering from the affects of pollen allergies since the 2003 Giro d’Italia and they had significantly affected his performances.

• He had not previously revealed details of the allergies, particularly in his 2012 autobiography, because he was “paranoid about making excuses” for not performing well.

• That rather than being performance enhancing, he believes the injections were sometimes “a detriment to my performance”.

• That although he is not certain who apart from the team doctor, Richard Freeman, knew about the injections, he assumes all senior coaches at Team Sky, including the team principal, Sir David Brailsford, were aware of them

Sure, okay Brad. We believe you...