Wiggins, a man in love!

[Dr. Maserati]

How does my post fail because of your ****y little self implemented technicality?

I know Kimmage is Irish but a lot of his work is within the British media.

No, I think Rendell wrote about someone we wanted to understand and know more about. It'd be different if he waded into Italian teams for know reason other than exposing them.

Pointing out an Irish person is not British, is not a technicality.

But again - did Kimmage write badly about Garmin (hint, no) - so if Sky had nothing to hide, then why hide?

Again, you've made a leap with that one, but generally yes more than most, when we're talking of doping in cycling that is.

Didn't David Millar bring out a book about something once?

 

[gingerwallaceafro]

Yes, as good as a reason sky.

No real reason then..

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I definitely believe that doping is more systemic in countries other than Britain and certainly in cycling teams from Portugal, Spain, Italy and Russia generally speaking. Xavier Tondo is about the only Spanish guy that's won who I haven't suspected. Any Portuguese that wins for me is a doper. I don't trust anyone in Liquigas, Astana or Katusha.

If we're going to start pointing fingers, why not start looking at the most likely candidates first?

And yet you think it's out of order to criticise Sky based on appearances and shady connections alone? Hypocrite much?

Despite all of the speculation, however, I can unequivocally state that doping is systemic in countries other than Britain, they're just that much WORSE than Britain which is why two Britons are the best climbers AND time triallists in this race.

There's only one top British climber who's also a top-notch time triallist who I have any faith in at all. Emma Pooley.

 

[gingerwallaceafro]

Pointing out an Irish person is not British, is not a technicality.

But again - did Kimmage write badly about Garmin (hint, no) - so if Sky had nothing to hide, then why hide?

Didn't David Millar bring out a book about something once?

As I said, I know Kimmage is Irish. You pointing this out didn't make my post fail..

Like I said, my point is it matters not if what he finds is good or bad, it's that he will be advancing his reputation, authority, bank balance etc..

Yes Dave brought out a book.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

As I said, I know Kimmage is Irish. You pointing this out didn't make my post fail..

Like I said, my point is it matters not if what he finds is good or bad, it's that he will be advancing his reputation, authority, bank balance etc..

Yes Dave brought out a book.

Lets just remind you of what you stated earlier:

As my dad always used to say to me - 'Always look out to see who's on the make'. Seems Kimmage has positioned himself with his feet nicely under the table. 'Mind if I join you on the Tour?'.... Errrrrmm.. If I were them I'd tell him to **** right off, cheeky ****. Decline his presence and it causes more conjecture and he writes bad things in his book rather than good things. Accept his presence and you have a bad smell hanging around who you know would just love to shaft you, having ingratiated his presence into your space by his new found power.

Choose Kimmage or be 'opaque'? I'd choose his alleged opacity if it meant not having to deal with him and choose to deal with a variety of other media sources. Makes his money from people who love conspiracy theories and opacity, hidden meanings, secret knowledge etc. in the same way that Dan Brown peddles his dross.

....quite a different point to what you are now saying.

So, if it doesn't matter what Kimmage finds, as you say "good or bad" - then why did Wiggins object to it?

 

[The Hitch]

Would like to hear Wiggins' side of the story though.

that nibali guy was being a ******* *******

 

[taiwan]

He's just doing his job/earning his living, fulfilling his role as a journalist over here does. They don't go poking their noses into other countries business as that would be condescending, other journalists can do their own.

Just can't remember any names of journalists from Italy, Portugal, Spain or Russia that have brought books out about doping in cycling, tripping off my tongue..

Obviously I think there is a disproportionate amount of criticism of SKY right now, but as they're a British team under the scrutiny of the British press it doesn't surprise me, it's part and parcel of being successful over here.

It does get up my nose how feted Richard Virenque is in France and the tolerance there is for doping in Italy, Spain and Portugal and yet when there is a team that I think is probably the cleanest team we've seen doing well, it annoys me. I'd like to see more balance for sure.

I definitely believe that doping is more systemic in countries other than Britain and certainly in cycling teams from Portugal, Spain, Italy and Russia generally speaking. Xavier Tondo is about the only Spanish guy that's won who I haven't suspected. Any Portuguese that wins for me is a doper. I don't trust anyone in Liquigas, Astana or Katusha.

If we're going to start pointing fingers, why not start looking at the most likely candidates first?

You are, (oxy)moronically, the Jezza Clarkson of cycling fans.

 

[Chris85]

This is the problem i have with wiggins.

"Wiggins: "I understand it from certain parts of the media but I don’t think I should sit here and justify everything I have done to the world. I’m not some **** rider who has come from nowhere. I’ve been three times Olympic champion on the track. I think people have to realise what kind of engine you need to win an Olympic gold medal as an Olympic pursuiter."

We'd didnt hear Cadel going on about his World Cup mtb success when he won last year. I cant stand Wiggin's arrogance. I hope, for his sake, he can speak french on the podium. If he wins this year, that is.

 

[patricknd]

Points for using Shakespear.

don't be too impressed, he had to look it up in his cliffs notes

 

[Bala Verde]

Wiggins blogging for the guardian in 2009:

18 July 2009

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/jul/19/bradley-wiggins-tour-de-france

I've always had the physical ability to climb, but the big improvement this year is simply from losing weight. One kilogram of body weight over a 30-minute climb is one minute in time. That adds up to about 10 minutes over a three-week race, and if you start to add up the fact that you are shifting less weight every time you go up those little rolling hills we had on Thursday, every time you sprint out of a corner, it accumulates to a heck of a lot of time and energy.

I was climbing fairly well in the 2007 Tour, but I've lost seven kilos since then: 78 to 71. It's taken nine months, in little increments, without any sort of crash diet. I've had regular check‑ups with Nigel Mitchell, the nutritionist at the Olympic team, to make sure I'm only burning fat, not any muscle. The last one was the day before the national championship, 28 June. He said I didn't have an ounce of fat left on my body. I was at 4% body fat, which is just at the point where you begin to burn muscle because there's nothing else left. It's not a very healthy level to be at, but it's only for these four weeks. It's been perfectly timed. As soon as the Tour is finished, my wife Cath is going to tie me up and force‑feed me cake.

He is now listed at 69 kilos on the official SKY website, which, if his quote is accurate, he now has a 1% bodyfat?

He must have burnt muscles if 71kgs represented 4% bodyfat which is 'at the point where you begin to burn muscles because there is nothing left'

 

[oldcrank]

This is the problem i have with wiggins.

"Wiggins: "I understand it from certain parts of the media but I don’t think I should sit here and justify everything I have done to the world. I’m not some **** rider who has come from nowhere. I’ve been three times Olympic champion on the track. I think people have to realise what kind of engine you need to win an Olympic gold medal as an Olympic pursuiter."

We'd didnt hear Cadel going on about his World Cup mtb success when he won last year. I cant stand Wiggin's arrogance. I hope, for his sake, he can speak french on the podium. If he wins this year, that is.

You can't stand Wiggo's arrogance and he can't stand the
ignorance of those that don't realise what kind of engine you
need to win three Olympic Pursuit/Team Pursuit Gold Medals
and set World and Olympic records.
(And he speaks very passable French for when he wins.)

 

[Cavalier]

The type of engine you need for Pursuit and the type of engine you need for climbing a mountain/competing in a Grand Tour are very, very different.
It's basically the same as Kimi Raikkonen saying that, because he was a Formula One World Champion he could do the same in a rally car (which of course, he couldn't, and was a monumental failure at).

Two completely different disciplines.

 

[BroDeal]

Wiggins blogging for the guardian in 2009:

He is now listed at 69 kilos on the official SKY website, which, if his quote is accurate, he now has a 1% bodyfat?

He must have burnt muscles if 71kgs represented 4% bodyfat which is 'at the point where you begin to burn muscles because there is nothing left'

I have a hard time believing the 78 to 71 kg. That is a 9% drop. Before he decided to lose weight so he could climb he was at 13% body fat as a pro endurance athlete? Maybe if his winter weight is compared to Tour weight, but what about comparing year to year Tour weights?

 

[Ripper]

Wiggins blogging for the guardian in 2009:



He is now listed at 69 kilos on the official SKY website, which, if his quote is accurate, he now has a 1% bodyfat?

He must have burnt muscles if 71kgs represented 4% bodyfat which is 'at the point where you begin to burn muscles because there is nothing left'

Well you see ...

Part of his weight loss was tying his arms to his sides when he was not riding! That's why when he said he did some strength training to improve his upper body strength this year, he did not actually have to lift weight. He simply untied his arms and ate his 3 lettuce leaves for dinner

 

[blackcat]

This is the problem i have with wiggins.

"Wiggins: "I understand it from certain parts of the media but I don’t think I should sit here and justify everything I have done to the world. I’m not some **** rider who has come from nowhere. I’ve been three times Olympic champion on the track. I think people have to realise what kind of engine you need to win an Olympic gold medal as an Olympic pursuiter."

We'd didnt hear Cadel going on about his World Cup mtb success when he won last year. I cant stand Wiggin's arrogance. I hope, for his sake, he can speak french on the podium. If he wins this year, that is.

the individual pursuit is such a weak depth small patricipation small potential catchment of athletes.

the IP has very little relevance, because of those factors.

 

[blackcat]

You are, (oxy)moronically, the Jezza Clarkson of cycling fans.

needs to drop a dozen jokes about Da Germans (r coming).

 

[blackcat]

He's just doing his job/earning his living, fulfilling his role as a journalist over here does. They don't go poking their noses into other countries business as that would be condescending, other journalists can do their own.

Just can't remember any names of journalists from Italy, Portugal, Spain or Russia that have brought books out about doping in cycling, tripping off my tongue..

Obviously I think there is a disproportionate amount of criticism of SKY right now, but as they're a British team under the scrutiny of the British press it doesn't surprise me, it's part and parcel of being successful over here.

It does get up my nose how feted Richard Virenque is in France and the tolerance there is for doping in Italy, Spain and Portugal and yet when there is a team that I think is probably the cleanest team we've seen doing well, it annoys me. I'd like to see more balance for sure.

I definitely believe that doping is more systemic in countries other than Britain and certainly in cycling teams from Portugal, Spain, Italy and Russia generally speaking. Xavier Tondo is about the only Spanish guy that's won who I haven't suspected. Any Portuguese that wins for me is a doper. I don't trust anyone in Liquigas, Astana or Katusha.

If we're going to start pointing fingers, why not start looking at the most likely candidates first?

teolerance in other countries(the swarthy contintal types?)

heck (I assume you are a brit)
your damn country gave sir chris hoy a knightship. You reckon he did not get that strength in his legs from the end of a hypodermic.

deluded dude

 

[UlleGigo]

Wiggins is an utter dog. Not only is he cheating but he has to show utter disrespect to his competitors as well.

With everyday that passes this mug becomes more and more like LA.

What else can you do but laugh at this joke of a man?

 

[Robert21]

Wiggins blogging for the guardian in 2009:

He is now listed at 69 kilos on the official SKY website, which, if his quote is accurate, he now has a 1% bodyfat?

He must have burnt muscles if 71kgs represented 4% bodyfat which is 'at the point where you begin to burn muscles because there is nothing left'

Wiggins did change his story with regards whether he lost any muscle mass or not. Perhaps someone realised that the figures he was giving made no sense. Compare:

I've had regular check‑ups with Nigel Mitchell, the nutritionist at the Olympic team, to make sure I'm only burning fat, not any muscle.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/jul/19/bradley-wiggins-tour-de-france

With this later quote:

"You develop a lot of muscle mass, particularly on the upper body, while training for the track over the winter," says Parker. "We wanted him to lose that, but to do it slowly, so that it didn't affect his power.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/436524/bradley-wiggins-the-transformation.html

That article also says that he was 82kg when he rode the Olympics. Eighty-two to sixty-nine kilos is a huge difference for someone who has always looked like a stick, regardless of whether it represents fat or fat and muscle. In addition, surely Wiggins' claim that 'One kilogram of body weight over a 30-minute climb is one minute in time' is nonsense. Fifteen seconds perhaps!

And how come so many pros can get almost to the top of the game when that are supposedly carrying more fat than the average UK domestic third category rider?

 

[blackcat]

Wiggins is an utter dog. Not only is he cheating but he has to show utter disrespect to his competitors as well.

With everyday that passes this mug becomes more and more like LA.

What else can you do but laugh at this joke of a man?

wiggins aint a dog. thats harsh.

basically, one can smear the entire peloton with such wide brush strokes.

criticise the sport, the system, not the individual (unless personal behaviour like PRance)

but Wigans, he is great to poke fun of.

 

[BroDeal]

That article also says that he was 82kg when he rode the Olympics. Eighty-two to sixty-nine kilos is a huge difference for someone who has always looked like a stick, regardless of whether it represents fat or fat and muscle. In addition, surely Wiggins' claim that 'One kilogram of body weight over a 30-minute climb is one minute in time' is nonsense. Fifteen seconds perhaps!

Going from 75 to 74 kg on an 8% climb is worth ~3 secs/km. So a 10K climb would be 30 secs.

 

[PedalPusher]

Funny read.... http://www.theweeklycycle.com/2012/07/is-bradley-wiggins-ct-uncut.html

This seems a little rich from someone who spends his entire career on his ****. And bone-idleness? I'll have you know, Bradley, I've been writing this blog for over a year. Do you have any idea how much perseverance and determination that requires? No, probably not. ****.

 

[rhubroma]

This is the problem i have with wiggins.

"Wiggins: "I understand it from certain parts of the media but I don’t think I should sit here and justify everything I have done to the world. I’m not some **** rider who has come from nowhere. I’ve been three times Olympic champion on the track. I think people have to realise what kind of engine you need to win an Olympic gold medal as an Olympic pursuiter."

We'd didnt hear Cadel going on about his World Cup mtb success when he won last year. I cant stand Wiggin's arrogance. I hope, for his sake, he can speak french on the podium. If he wins this year, that is.

In that whole "justification" rant, did anybody notice that he did not once say he was clean?

 

[Square-pedaller]

... It does get up my nose how feted Richard Virenque is in France ...

This is a myth. In the immediately post-tour TV coverage after one of LA's last wins (2004? 2005?) France 2 (TV channel that creates the TdF coverage) ran a poll as to who was the most disliked sportsman. In all respondant age-classes both LA and Virenque figured, Virenque actually beating LA in one category. Earlier, when Virenque finally admitted doping in the Festina scandal, he was lampooned unmercifully on a national satirical TV show. People still respect him for his cycling ability, but otherwise think he's a bit of a comedic character (pre-accident. He just doesn't get talked about at all now).

 

[noddy69]

In that whole "justification" rant, did anybody notice that he did not once say he was clean?

You beat me to it. He ranted and gave out and gave the I,m tested all the time excuse, as if he shouldn,t be. But never said I dont cheat.