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It would be interesting if there were a video clip on that.

Wigans really is an a grade *****le,still want him to win though.
Nibs not a happy bunny with Evans either by the looks of it.
Shame Nibali cant win this(least very unlikely) honest forthcoming answers,bit like wigans used to be ironically.
 
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unsheath said:

I think Kimmage stops just so short of saying he is doping, but Kimmage echoes what most have been saying.

No transparency.

Wiggins completely different than 2007.

Talking like Armstrong and Landis.

Why hire Leinder?

What was the reason for getting rid of the other Doctor?

Teamsky now talking different about doping from when they first set up.
 
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I wondered why Wiggins turned around on his bike at the finish. I guess now we know. Would like to hear Wiggins' side of the story though.
 
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Respect is a two way street though, Nibali has been having a go at Wiggins in press.

It is and he has but this was a clear fook you loser you can try all you want but we are in total control and there is nothing you can do about it. And apart from the blind fanboys that keep popping up displaying their desparation for an English winner, we all know why the superior arrogant attitude with all the mountains yet to come.
 
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unsheath said:

That's the best thing I've read on the whole issue. A much better, more rounded argument as opposed to saying "They have a suspicious doctor and are doing really well, therefore they are doping."I actually agree with that. Sky could have conducted themselves better and made a real difference, making themselves totally transparent. Instead, they're unfortunately going to have these questions over their heads for the rest of the time they're in the sport. Unfounded or not, they've really only got themselves to blame for that
 
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As my dad always used to say to me - 'Always look out to see who's on the make'. Seems Kimmage has positioned himself with his feet nicely under the table. 'Mind if I join you on the Tour?'.... Errrrrmm.. If I were them I'd tell him to **** right off, cheeky ****. Decline his presence and it causes more conjecture and he writes bad things in his book rather than good things. Accept his presence and you have a bad smell hanging around who you know would just love to shaft you, having ingratiated his presence into your space by his new found power.

Choose Kimmage or be 'opaque'? I'd choose his alleged opacity if it meant not having to deal with him and choose to deal with a variety of other media sources. Makes his money from people who love conspiracy theories and opacity, hidden meanings, secret knowledge etc. in the same way that Dan Brown peddles his dross.
 
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gingerwallaceafro said:
As my dad always used to say to me - 'Always look out to see who's on the make'. Seems Kimmage has positioned himself with his feet nicely under the table. 'Mind if I join you on the Tour?'.... Errrrrmm.. If I were them I'd tell him to **** right off, cheeky ****. Decline his presence and it causes more conjecture and he writes bad things in his book rather than good things. Accept his presence and you have a bad smell hanging around who you know would just love to shaft you, having ingratiated his presence into your space by his new found power.

Choose Kimmage or be 'opaque'? I'd choose his alleged opacity if it meant not having to deal with him and choose to deal with a variety of other media sources. Makes his money from people who love conspiracy theories and opacity, hidden meanings, secret knowledge etc. in the same way that Dan Brown peddles his dross.

I am calling a whole pile of stinking BS on your comments here my fine friend. Garmin took Kimmage along and it ended up working out quite well for them. And why wouldn't it if a team had nothing to hide? Certainly the team management at Sky seemed to be OK with it.

BTW - journos make money in providing something that sells. Dirt sells. But guess what - behind the scenes stories on how a team is 'doing it right' would also sell.

You appear to be either a

1. Good old fanboy, in the makes of an Armstrong fanboy.

2. Someone with a doping history that Kimmage 'spat in the soup' on.

Either way, I somewhat wonder why you are trolling in the clinic? BTW - that is a direct question.
 
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gingerwallaceafro said:
As my dad always used to say to me - 'Always look out to see who's on the make'. Seems Kimmage has positioned himself with his feet nicely under the table. 'Mind if I join you on the Tour?'.... Errrrrmm.. If I were them I'd tell him to **** right off, cheeky ****. Decline his presence and it causes more conjecture and he writes bad things in his book rather than good things. Accept his presence and you have a bad smell hanging around who you know would just love to shaft you, having ingratiated his presence into your space by his new found power.

Choose Kimmage or be 'opaque'? I'd choose his alleged opacity if it meant not having to deal with him and choose to deal with a variety of other media sources. Makes his money from people who love conspiracy theories and opacity, hidden meanings, secret knowledge etc. in the same way that Dan Brown peddles his dross.
Garmin were happy enough to have him around in 2008, and he also proved he can be duped.

Paul Kimmage said:
It hurt even more on Wednesday during the shoot-out at Alpe d’Huez when we witnessed the scenes that had once made the race so special. Rewind the tape and the truth is in the pain]the exhausted portrait of the Austrian Bernard Kohl - second overall and King of the Mountains - as he collapsed after crossing the line. The moment of the race.[/b]
But not everyone was pleased. No, back in the press room, some of the muppets who had glorified the Robo-cop years were bemoaning the lack of “spectacle”. They had spent so much time with their heads up the arses of the cheats, they had forgotten: this is how it looks when it’s clean.
Kimmage also admitted he could have been suckered, mind.

But Kimmage is one of those people who have the ears even of the Clinic cynics. A ringing endorsement from him, or David Walsh, or somebody like that, would assuage the doubts a lot more than most of the PR damage limitation can.
 

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gingerwallaceafro said:
As my dad always used to say to me - 'Always look out to see who's on the make'. Seems Kimmage has positioned himself with his feet nicely under the table. 'Mind if I join you on the Tour?'.... Errrrrmm.. If I were them I'd tell him to **** right off, cheeky ****. Decline his presence and it causes more conjecture and he writes bad things in his book rather than good things. Accept his presence and you have a bad smell hanging around who you know would just love to shaft you, having ingratiated his presence into your space by his new found power.

Choose Kimmage or be 'opaque'? I'd choose his alleged opacity if it meant not having to deal with him and choose to deal with a variety of other media sources. Makes his money from people who love conspiracy theories and opacity, hidden meanings, secret knowledge etc. in the same way that Dan Brown peddles his dross.

Just to be clear - are you suggesting that Kimmage was only going to be paid for what he wrote and the fact that Wiggins shut him out meant that The Times did not pay Kimmage?

Also - Garmin had Kimmage with them the year before and were favourably written about.
 
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gingerwallaceafro said:
As my dad always used to say to me - 'Always look out to see who's on the make'. Seems Kimmage has positioned himself with his feet nicely under the table. 'Mind if I join you on the Tour?'.... Errrrrmm.. If I were them I'd tell him to **** right off, cheeky ****. Decline his presence and it causes more conjecture and he writes bad things in his book rather than good things. Accept his presence and you have a bad smell hanging around who you know would just love to shaft you, having ingratiated his presence into your space by his new found power.

Choose Kimmage or be 'opaque'? I'd choose his alleged opacity if it meant not having to deal with him and choose to deal with a variety of other media sources. Makes his money from people who love conspiracy theories and opacity, hidden meanings, secret knowledge etc. in the same way that Dan Brown peddles his dross.

You have outed yourself as someone who has no problem with doping with this damning condemnation of Kimmage.

Chapeau.
 
Apr 25, 2009
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Benotti69 said:
You have outed yourself as someone who has no problem with doping with this damning condemnation of Kimmage.

Chapeau.

You've just made that up. I have a problem with doping, I think the power Kimmage has is a bit vested.
 
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I like Kimmage. His book is great, the sport needs people like him. However, he is prone to the odd mistake because he shoots from the hip, I always thought he surrendered the moral high ground to Armstrong with his cancer comment, and I am still to be convinced of any sky doping. A dodgy doctor - yes.

But some of the comments on this site are pathetic. "i am not watching the tour anymore" after Belles Filles. It was a 5.9k climb where each domestique done about 1.5k. Nothing extra terrestial. The next day, liquigas isolated Wiggins and Froome really easy. Wiggins is beatable, no doubt.

His comments the other day can always be used both ways, as well as if he played it down, I honestly just thought he spat his dummy out a bit but it was an honest response. No one knows if he is doping on here or not, but that is the nature of the beast. It will ALWAYS be that way. I think the sport has got cleaner, but I don't know, like no one else here. I do understand the cynicism though.
 
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I also think we need people like him and a free press etc, just very conscious that he seems to have quite a bit of power, and he's earning from it.
 

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Poursuivant said:
I like Kimmage. His book is great, the sport needs people like him. However, he is prone to the odd mistake because he shoots from the hip, I always thought he surrendered the moral high ground to Armstrong with his cancer comment, and I am still to be convinced of any sky doping. A dodgy doctor - yes.

But some of the comments on this site are pathetic. "i am not watching the tour anymore" after Belles Filles. It was a 5.9k climb where each domestique done about 1.5k. Nothing extra terrestial. The next day, liquigas isolated Wiggins and Froome really easy. Wiggins is beatable, no doubt.

His comments the other day can always be used both ways, as well as if he played it down, I honestly just thought he spat his dummy out a bit but it was an honest response. No one knows if he is doping on here or not, but that is the nature of the beast. It will ALWAYS be that way. I think the sport has got cleaner, but I don't know, like no one else here. I do understand the cynicism though.

The highlighted is the point - how is it you spot it and BW (who used to be very outspoken) has not spotted it?

I don't care about his comments the other day, as it was a pointed question at the end of a brief video linked q&a - but he has had several opportunities to address the issue since.
 
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gingerwallaceafro said:
You've just made that up. I have a problem with doping, I think the power Kimmage has is a bit vested.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
 

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gingerwallaceafro said:
I also think we need people like him and a free press etc, just very conscious that he seems to have quite a bit of power, and he's earning from it.

You do realize Kimmage is no longer with the Times?
His last book was about Rugby. So, how is he earning from it?
 
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gingerwallaceafro said:
As my dad always used to say to me - 'Always look out to see who's on the make'. Seems Kimmage has positioned himself with his feet nicely under the table. 'Mind if I join you on the Tour?'.... Errrrrmm.. If I were them I'd tell him to **** right off, cheeky ****. Decline his presence and it causes more conjecture and he writes bad things in his book rather than good things. Accept his presence and you have a bad smell hanging around who you know would just love to shaft you, having ingratiated his presence into your space by his new found power.

Choose Kimmage or be 'opaque'? I'd choose his alleged opacity if it meant not having to deal with him and choose to deal with a variety of other media sources. Makes his money from people who love conspiracy theories and opacity, hidden meanings, secret knowledge etc. in the same way that Dan Brown peddles his dross.

Yeah, and he knew Millar was at it before he got busted.

What's the problem with Kimmage if you've got nothing to hide?
 
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Square-pedaller said:
Yeah, and he knew Millar was at it before he got busted.

What's the problem with Kimmage if you've got nothing to hide?

The problem is that he is a journalist pointing out the obvious questions about Team Sky. If Kimmage was talking about Liquigas or Katusha then ol' Ginger would not be making asinine comments about Kimmage having too much power.
 
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BroDeal said:
The problem is that he is a journalist pointing out the obvious questions about Team Sky. If Kimmage was talking about Liquigas or Katusha then ol' Ginger would not be making asinine comments about Kimmage having too much power.

Ah, I'd assumed it was a general enthusiasm for doping. Thanks.

I think Kimmage is great. But the way things are in cycling he'll probably fail a dope test next week :p