Wiggins, a man in love!

[LeafCrAzY]

I don't particularly care that Armstrong doped. The whole Peleton is and was doped, he was simply the best at it. It will always be an ongoing problem, modern medicine will always make it possible to cheat.

Do you guys think anyone in the Peleton isn't doping still?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I find Wiggins pretty hilarious. Wiggins, a Janus faced former groupetto enthusiast, essentially wants people to believe that he was a caterpillar at Garmin that only required the cocoon of Team Sky (and its cocktails) to exit into the peloton and climb with some of the best cycling has to offer. And yet to raise an ounce of suspicion at this achievement makes any critic a moron, or even worse.

Questions of doping aside, what bothers me most about Wiggins is the sense of entitlement he has. That just because he believes he is an excellent cyclist he thinks others should essentially follow suit and think likewise, like a bunch of lobotomized, half-wit lemmings. How much reality does Wiggins want fans to suspend in order to actually make himself believable?

Post of the day. My lack of English grammar prohibited me to post the same sentences.

I do like Wiggo as a person though, nice bloke, awfull sportsman, ergo, after his track period.

 

[gingerwallaceafro]

One other thing I'll chuck into the mix from a different sport, which has stuck into my mind after reading it the other day, was written by Sir Steve Redgrave who was asked back in the eighties why he hadn't made more of a stand against drugs. He considered campaigning until it was explained to him that if there was a mafia or industry organizing and promoting the use of drugs then it would make him a target, it would be easy to spike an athlete and completely ruin them. Perhaps this is also a factor as to why those with the most to lose keep their mouths shut and those already discredited are able to talk more freely..

 

[oldcrank]

Oldcranky, I don't think anyone posting here has ever been pro-Lance.

Is there ANYTHING in the public domain, from say 2007
or before, that you can provide a link to prove that you
have always been anti-Lance? Preferably an interview
when you've just been hauled off to jail because one of
your team-mates was doping?

 

[taiwan]

On your last podium in Paris you said you felt sorry for people who doubted cycling and the integrity of yourself and the Tour - and then Ivan Basso and Jan Ullrich got busted?

Egg on my face. Egg on my face. But look at the Brits on the track this year - absolutely outstanding. And still the head of French cycling said their performance 'is not possible'. Give me a break. Bradley Wiggins is the best ****ing pursuiter of all time. I don't think he cheated. No! He's the most talented, he worked the hardest, he had the best position, he had the most knowledge, he won. So if I could talk to your cycling buddies I would say, 'Just ****ing relax. We're not talking about God. We're not talking about war. We're not talking about you losing every dime you had. We're talking about bike-racing."

Seems pertinent.

 

[Jeremiah]

Hmm, "strongly hinted at" better for your tastes? Meh, whatever. If you read that interview, it's pretty clear.

My point is this.

JV is promoting a clean team but touting a doped performance and also mentioning other doped riders who he apparently has/or will testify against.

Not everyone who looks at his bio will know the backstory that you know and JV is taking advantage of that.

The burden shouldn't have to be on a Twitter poster to call him on it.

His subsequent reaction to the tweeter who called him on it was.....

"I'll take it off, just for you. Then Vinokourov will have won."

JV should revise his bio for his own sake. Not for the sake a a tweeter.

https://twitter.com/Vaughters/statuses/222379795403649026

His bio is a lie of omission.

 

[Square-pedaller]

...
His subsequent reaction to the tweeter who called him on it was.....
"I'll take it off, just for you. Then Vinokourov will have won."
...

That's part of the standard doper's doublethink: it doesn't count as doping if the other guy was doping, too. It's just levelling the playing field.
Not a particular good way of thinking in an 'anti-doping' DS

 

[DenisMenchov]

Brits don't dope.

 

[goggalor]

Q: You've talked about life bans - What else can organisers do?

BW: I think they need to take a long look at who they invite to the race over the next few years. If there's a 1% suspicion or doubt that a team is involved in any way in a drugs ring or doping or working with certain doctors, then they shouldn't be invited to the Tour de France - as simple as that - they shouldn't even be given a racing licence until they can prove that they are, through stringent testing procedures, that they are not involved in any wrong doing - until then the ASO shouldn't have them in the Tour de France and the UCI should not have them in the sport.

Did he really say that? WADA should give Wiggo a 2 year ban for trolling.

Edit: Just saw it was from 2007, that explains it. Still an excellent soundbite.

 

[D Avoid]

I'm not trying to be nasty, or start an argument,
but the people that matter to Wiggo understood
and I'm sure his employer liked the reference, so
I kinda think he's not too bothered with what guys
like you and I think.

"not to bothered", that lie wont be lying down again!! Not after "bankers and punts"!!

 

[D Avoid]

Didn't seem very funny to me.

Here's another example of Wiggins' humour..

“All the other stuff that’s come on with Landis and things like that is one for the courts and whether the truth will ever come out is down to this investigation. I think time will tell with that. As it stands today, with the time I’ve raced with him – and I’ve never raced with him in his era of winning seven Tours – but in his comeback, he’s probably been the most tested athlete and never failed a drugs test.”

“I think you have to question Landis’ credibility because he lied under oath before and the stories that you hear about him drinking and things like that and you know, [making] telephone calls to people I know, threatening them with things, you just think that the guy appears to not all be there. So when you see these kinds of claims in the press you have to question his credibility because it’s almost like it’s coming from a mad man, but at the same time maybe that’s all borne out of frustration and things.

“You just never know but you just look at the way his life has gone over the last five years and you think there’s one person who it would have been so easy to have just admitted it when it happened in 2006, come clean if he did do it and he would have been back racing in a professional team making pretty good money. It’s quite sad how his life has gone away, just dwindled away and now there’s all these claims and counter claims and it’s quite a sad story for him.”

This could almost be sWiggins talking about his altered ego!!


i.e. I was almost an alcoholic after the 09? tour(winter I think)

 

[D Avoid]

There is a generation gap developing in cycling between the old guys like him, for whom doping is embedded normality, and the young ones. One of the Française des Jeux riders, Michael Delage, was outspoken about drugs on the television one night during the race and Moreni really took off - "Who is he to tell me what to do?" Delage attacked that day and Moreni went after him, caught him and insulted him.

That was what the Tour turned into for me. People denying things, people arguing. The day of the protest at the start in Orthez - Wednesday, the day Moreni was revealed to be positive - I decided not to wait on the line because I don't want to be dictated to. People know where I stand. I was in 100 per cent agreement with them, but I have friends in other teams who aren't French and are clean. I didn't want to watch them ride off and be saying, in effect, that they were on drugs because they weren't with us.

I went through the start line with the peloton and, when I caught up, everyone was laughing, patting me on the back and saying well done for coming with us. I heard some awful things at that point, which made me very depressed - the worst was one rider who joked that he didn't understand the French, that if they took drugs they would go faster and why didn't they try it?

I was just mad and thought, 'Sod this'. It wasn't nice to be part of. It was like the Festina scandal in 1998, not how the Tour is supposed to be. We had conquered the Alps and the Pyrenees, I was going to have a go on the Champs-Elysees, my wife, Cath, was coming out to celebrate what was going to be a great Tour for me and it was all over in 24 hours.

I'd like to come back to the Tour, though. I don't see why guys like me should suffer because of a minority. There are riders like Geraint Thomas, who are the future, riders like the ones at Française des Jeux who are coming through, and there are guys like David Millar, who is a real ambassador for anti-doping. Things will get better. The people who are still doping are mainly the older generation and the riders who hang around with them. The sooner they are gone the better.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/jul/29/cycling.tourdefrance1

I read this at the time but had no inkling today that it was sWiggins until he mentioned Cath, Dylans The Times they are a Changing springs my mind!!

 

[roundabout]

Lol, Delage. A guy who uses doctor prescribed cortisone.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I read this at the time but had no inkling today that it was sWiggins until he mentioned Cath, Dylans The Times they are a Changing springs my mind!!

The parting on the left is now a parting on the right

those of us who love the sport are getting on their knees and praying we're not getting fooled.

 

[goggalor]

It really is hard to believe the person who wrote that quality article is the same person that fired off that tirade a few days ago. But then it's also hard to believe it's the same bike rider.

 

[bhack361]

Suspicions are being raised everywhere:
http://redkiteprayer.com/2012/07/wiggins-winning-ways/

 

[The Hitch]

It really is hard to believe the person who wrote that quality article is the same person that fired off that tirade a few days ago. But then it's also hard to believe it's the same bike rider.

When I pointed out on British newspaper websites (where Wigo was getting lots of support), that Wiggins has changed his views from the 2007 guy who said that all winners of the tour until 2013 should come under suspicion, i was told that Wiggins position on doping has remained 100% consistent since 2007.

Seriously.

 

[D Avoid]

The parting on the left is now a parting on the right

those of us who love the sport are getting on their knees and praying we're not getting fooled.

Such a deep voice for skin tight like your jeans!!

 

[Bala Verde]

When I pointed out on British newspaper websites (where Wigo was getting lots of support), that Wiggins has changed his views from the 2007 guy who said that all winners of the tour until 2013 should come under suspicion, i was told that Wiggins position on doping has remained 100% consistent since 2007.

Seriously.

Then why is he riding on the same team, but especially in the same race, with Rogers:

The German ace (sinkewitz), who rode with Rogers at their former team Quick Step, is believed to have claimed that several Tour de France team members visited a Freiburg University Clinic days before the 2006 Tour started, and that blood transfusions took place during the Tour.

[...]

Soon after the Australian, who hails from Canberra, was forced into some backpedalling by the German team after it was revealed - and confirmed by Rogers - that he had been working with Italian sports doctor Michele Ferrari, who has stood trial on charges of administering banned substances to athletes.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/rogers-denies-teammates-doping-claims/2007/11/01/1193619042013.html

Last year [2006] Australian Michael Rogers was forced to give up seeing Ferrari on the insistence of his T-Mobile team, who were unhappy at the negative publicity.


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/shadow-of-dubious-doctor/story-e6freygi-1111113901360

 

[Ferminal]

That last line is gold. Rogers forced to give up Ferrari by his team so he could join them in Freiburg?

 

[Maxiton]

That last line is gold. Rogers forced to give up Ferrari by his team so he could join them in Freiburg?

Man, you're right, that is gold.

 

[unsheath]

This being posted yet? SS & Kimmage on the money again.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...n-Wiggins-and-Team-Sky-over-transparency.aspx

 

[BroDeal]

It really is hard to believe the person who wrote that quality article is the same person that fired off that tirade a few days ago. But then it's also hard to believe it's the same bike rider.

In 2007 Wigans complained that the doping was done mostly by the older riders. That was five years ago. Now Wigans is one of the older riders.

 

[gingerwallaceafro]

In 2007 Wigans complained that the doping was done mostly by the older riders. That was five years ago. Now Wigans is one of the older riders.

Tenuous links and insuations.. yawn..

 

[taiwan]

It's a humourous comment, not a piece of detective work.